So...whose Wheaties did I piss in now?

[RisiaSkye]

Okay, we all get our share of "one voters," right?

It's been a long while since I got five "one" votes per poem for each of my poems, in a span of a few days. Okay, I've never gotten it...and I'll be willing to bet that not too many have. At least, until recently. If it's happening to my poems, it's either a deliberate attack against me, or someone's jacking with the voting system again. So, chime in folks...are you getting it too?

Over twenty poems, mind you. That's a lot of effort. I assume there's a point in this, why else would anyone bother. That's over a hundred votes total.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Okay, we all get our share of "one voters," right?

It's been a long while since I got five "one" votes per poem for each of my poems, in a span of a few days. Okay, I've never gotten it...and I'll be willing to bet that not too many have. At least, until recently. If it's happening to my poems, it's either a deliberate attack against me, or someone's jacking with the voting system again. So, chime in folks...are you getting it too?

Over twenty poems, mind you. That's a lot of effort. I assume there's a point in this, why else would anyone bother. That's over a hundred votes total.

Easy, what's the big deal?

Initially the majority of votes for my poems were 1 and a few 2s (plus one 5 followed soon by two more 5s). Now it's more balanced but as I said, who cares? It's fun whichever way they go.

Initially, when there were fewer votes I could easily follow what was happening. With a bit of intuition and knowledge of math I could easily see, with probability very close to certainity (close to 1) that I had one and only major fan who was sprinkling enthusiastically my poems with 1s and occasional 2s. How did I know? Easy. All my poems at one moment were voted on exactly one time (save for one poem which was not voted on at all). If I had two or more independent fans then several poems at that time would not be voted on at all and several others would be voted on 2 or more times. I could guess (and for myself I do ) even more but I don't want to spoil my fan's pleasure. Please, my unknown fan and critic, go on, express yourself, don't get selfconscious, and when U see my new poems then again, sometimes within five minutes from being posted, rate them in your way.

Until Literotica, my poems were never subjected to any formal voting. When there r very few votes per poem then the result is pretty much a fluke. If and when there will be quite a number of votes on my poems then I know that I will get low ratings (unless a BIG-HUGE fluke occurs ). I know it from the reactions (or the lack of them ) on open, "democratic" poetry boards/lists/groups. I tend to get recognition (not necessarily agreement) for my views more than for my poems (while, of course, it would be nice the other way around ).

Myself (like most of you) I don't vote much. It's not clear what criteria one should use, how to be consistent, etc. Initially I was also afraid that accidentally I might vote on a poem twice. When I didn't vote on a poem after my first encounter with the text then later I would worry that possibly I have already voted. Finally, by accident, I tried to vote 2nd time on a poem and the system didn't let me. That's good. It would be still better if the system showed me my vote right away each time I view a poem on which I have voted in the past (without waiting for an eventual mistaken repeated vote).

Regards,

 

[karmadog]

Well I like both of you as poets.

Senna might have pissed some people off because he has been on the boards giving some hard opinions, but I don't recall Risia doing that. I have no clue how you might have pissed someone off. Perhaps one of your poems was offensive to someone and they took it personal like.

I liked this line from "Refrigerator Magnets" (great title by the way).

"Make me your willing woman,
your love slick girl
sweetly flowering for you
here in the darkness."

Alliteration followed by a relatively subtle pun(?).

 

[Senna Jawa]

kiss of death?

Senna might have pissed some people off because he has been on the boards giving some hard opinions

(I am not kadetskiy, I am not sovetskiy, I am not a people's komisar).

My four poems which were posted on June 1 were viewed   41   20   13   and   11   times respectively so far. Only one of them was mentioned (kindly, thank you) on this board. It was the one which was viewed the least number of times, 11

Just musing,

 

[daughter]

Risia

Risia--

There are so many poets here that I don't know any newcomers by name except Senna. I haven't heard any rumblings about anything, though I'm pretty busy with class and Lotus.

Good to see you on the board. Sorry to hear what prompted the post. Given the current toplist, I'm wondering why anyone would bother harassing you like that. No one is dominating the board and the list is full of newcomers from what I can see.

Anyway, visit me this weekend in the garden. During week, I can barely get through my classwork.

Hope all is well otherwise.

Peace,

daughter

 

[WickedEve]

I know how you feel, Risia!

I have a friend here that I've been emailing and whining to. For weeks, maybe longer, I've been under attack. Whenever I submit a new poem, the next morning there's usually a 1 (lately 2s) slapped on it. And a few of these poems where featured on Lotus, so I know they could not have been that sucky!
But it's only one low score per poem, so I'm only dealing with one person. I guess I made an enemy. If so, I wish he or she would let me know what the problem is. Or if this person really hates my work, please send me an email or PM and tell me why! I can't get better if I don't know why.

 

[daughter]

Good morning, Eve

WE--

I haven't posted any work in awhile. Posted a new selection and I got a whopping 2 this morning! LOL I cheated and labeled it erotic, non-erotic so seldomly gets read. Maybe the reader was pissed because the poem wasn't hardcore or long enough for him to spank the monkey to.

I think a radical is bent on teaching us, arrogant poets to deflate our egos. Funny because sabbotage is equally arrogant.

Thanks for the off-handed compliment, too. LOL We do are best to feature quality work and friend or not, you're right, we don't spotlight if there isn't any merit in the work. (Not to forget the hell I put you through for edits, too).

Of course, we're not gods so apparently one has shown up to humble the heathens.

Peace,

daughter

 

[WickedEve]

Re: Good morning, Eve

Of course, we're not gods so apparently one has shown up to humble the heathens.

Peace,

daughter

It didn't humble me at all! Hell no! It just made me meaner. I'm a mean poet. Be afraid... very afraid... lol

Grrrr

vote a five
or I'll eat you alive

(Okay, I give that a 2.)

 

[Angeline]

My Poems Too!

Apparently I have also been a-peein in someone's breakfast cereal.

This has been happening to me for a few weeks, too. As soon as one of my poems hits the top ten, it gets a "1," ensuring its slip back into oblivion. This happens with such consistently that I am sure it is no coincidence.

I'm on the list; I'm not on the list (insert zen-like shrug here). I'm sorry that somebody out there is so consumed with ill will that he or she feels a need to do this.

Whoever you are, your energy might be better invested writing a poem about it.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=92566

Angeline (whose poems are currently in day 16 of being held hostage by the person whose Wheaties Risia pissed on)

 

[Guest]

Hold on folks.

There's a difference between getting a "1" on a selection and getting them consistently within a short time frame on an index as long as Risia's.

Let's get real. The first five to ten votes are from fans and friends. Once you hit the toplist, the web universe is reading you. And it is not far-fetched that an anonymous reader is umipressed.

And before you think being unregistered means I'm the villian, relax. I'm just in a hurry and didn't bother to sign in.

 

[WickedEve]

"And before you think being unregistered means I'm the villian, relax. I'm just in a hurry and didn't bother to sign in."

Who are you? (Just curious)

Of course, all of us get low scores from readers who simply don't like what we write. But in my case, this person usually gives me the same score for all my poetry. I wonder if he/she even reads any of it? Some of my poems are better than some of my others.

This simply makes me wonder about the voter. Sure, this person could think everything I write is a 2. But I wish the voter would let me know. This is why feedback is so important. Right now I'm scratching my head and wondering if I've pissed someone off, or if someone really dislikes my poetry. I don't know. If he doesn't like them, then I want to know why. That kind of feedback is invaluable to any poet.

 

[Angeline]

Just Like Me, Eve

That is also my situation. I have 27 poems posted right now. I don't expect everyone to like them, but it does seem odd that it happens so consistently the moment they achieve a certain position. And the fact that it happens with such regularlarity and with every poem argues against coincidence.

I feel the same as Eve, I think. I wonder why whoever is doing this is so annoyed or whatever he or she is feeling.

So when you have more time, will you identify yourself?

 

[daughter]

Eve--

How do you know it's the same person? I am tech stupid and I wonder how folks figure this stuff out.

Angeline--

I don't know how others vote, but my liking a poem is only one part of the equation. It is one of the lesser things I consider. I vote largely on skill. Does the poet accomplish something with the form or style employed? I don't have to like the form or agree with the message. I question if I can recognize the intent and I judge, based on what little I know, if the poet successfully accomplishes that.

I don't get excited about sonnets. That doesn't mean I don't admire a well written one.

Being popular or getting "1" is less important than being able to see a progress in your own work over a period of time. It matters more when a peer whose opinion you do value honestly tells you what is commendable and what he recommends you consider working on.

While many are distraught over low scores there are many more who have difficulty accepting someone's honest feedback. Plenty say they want feedback until a reader says he doesn't appreciate your work which is exactly what a reader is saying when he gives you a "1".

If you don't get a note with the "1" ask yourself if there is a flaw with the work or if it was most likely a personal preference. Often it is both. A little honesty with ourselves tell us that we hardly write all "5's". And if you never write a "1" then you're better than the masters cause they write duds, too.

I give "1" and that is for poor writing. And given that I don't personally know the poets, it doesn't have crap to do with liking or disliking them. I'm crazy about Eve. We're very good friends. Doesn't stop me from saying, "Not yet, this irks me". Sometimes she agrees, sometimes she doesn't. Sometimes I get on her nerves. Always, we move on. She can write. She knows she can write. She exercises her right to accept or reject an observation. Bottom line is if she wants to alter a work because she feels it can be better.

I rarely hear a poet ask someone to suggest how a work can be improved. Instead, we ask for feedback which is a buzzword for "praise me".

Anybody, interested in what I think of one of their poems?

Peace,

daughter

 

[WickedEve]

It's a pattern. The vote is always there early in the morning. Each poem is voted on with usually the same score. It started a few weeks ago. I don't get a lot of votes right off the bat. This one person votes and his/her vote is usually it for a while. I could be wrong but...

 

[Ancient117331]

Opinions

Anybody, interested in what I think of one of their poems?

Peace,

daughter [/B]

Hi "daughter",

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts... I posted two right here
and hadn't a comment yet. "Sound Of Music..." and "Fisherman's
Shoes..."

Hi to All,

As to voting? Well, I don't get very many votes on any - ever, so
I can't really say one way or the other. I have read a bunch here... least 1000 so far. Some were awesome, some were less than dirt - but each was a person that felt they had something
to say and I don't fault them their thoughts. To me, poetry
IS personal - is the writer's thoughts about whatever and many
people just don't have the word skills to say what they are
attempting. For the one's I find very weak - I send an email
comment with what I felt the weakness was. The ones I found
awesome - I send a comment as well... about the strengths.

I've only been posting here since 4/25/02... have 17 posted
poems both erotic and non. I've one at #97 (as of today)
in the top hundred. It had 9 votes for over 1200 views - actually
it had 9 votes while still below 1000 - so who's to say?

There are 'petty' people out there - and it hurts to get dinged
without a reason, but so far as I know - a person CAN only vote
once per poem and I think (but am unsure yet) that a poem can
only get one counted view no matter how many times a single
reader opens it.

Thanks for listening... good reading to all... Laters.

Chris Twyford
Ancient117331

 

[daughter]

Fan

Aw, WE

Sounds like a dedicated fan. He just wants to get your attention.
He knows too many want to crawl up your skirt so he's trying the fth grade tactic: Pull your hair and run

Peace,

daughter

 

[Lauren Hynde]

WE:

Same thing's been happening to me for the last 2 weeks (angie says 16 days, she must be right).

It is a tendency that only seems to attack the poems that were on the top list and the new poems. Poems that are no longer in the new list but haven't made it into the top aren't affected. As soon as one of them gets enough votes to get to the top list, though, it will imediately get a '1'. This is a mathmatical certainty and has happened to everyone of you, I'm sure...

The thing that's more revealing of this situation, though, is what happens with the new list:

Last sunday I had 6 new poems submited. I actually waited for them to be approved, and kept refreshing the list every 5 minutes to know when it would happen. When the list was finally posted, I logged in to member's page and all 6 of my freshly posted poems had one vote in each and every one of them. Guess what vote was that? In 5 minutes! There wasn't enough time to read them, let alone vote conscientiously. And the poems weren't even together on the list, they were scatered all around. This means he either actively looked for my poems or, more likely, did this to every poem on the list...


I had work for weeks on the top 10, with a good amount of votes (80-ish votes) so ordinarily one or two '1's wouldn't affect its scores, no matter what validaty we may give them. But it has. Poems that had solid 4.5 scores have dropped so much that it's not possible to explain by single votes. It's not that difficult to fool the system and vote as many times as one wants for any submission if you really want to...


This is someone deliberately trying to do something. Exactly what eludes me, but affects all...

 

[WickedEve]

The 1 voter seems to be an early bird

I tried something, and I don't think I'll do it again. Too much trouble!
A couple of days ago, when I submitted 2 new poems, I did not allow voting. I waited until about 10 am Eastern time, then restored the voting option on those two poems. It's been two days and both poems have only 2 votes each, and those are 5s.
I was able to dodge the 1s. lol Though, after and if he/she reads this post, I'm sure he/she will vote.

(And poems I submitted a month or two ago, are untouched.)

 

[Angeline]

What Does "Like" a Poem Mean?

Daughter, I am always eager to see your postings here, both because I have enjoyed reading your poems and because your comments always seem thoughtful and evenhanded. When I say someone gives me whatever rating because they "like" or don't like" a poem, I understand that they may be basing their choice on any number of factors. These can go far beyond the subject matter (which to my thinking is usually the least meaningful part of the poem in terms of its effectiveness, if other qualities aren't there). We all have our own opinions about what works for us: traditional or modern form, more or less metaphorical, the feeling of the rhythm of the words, the way they move together. And I think you are so right in pointing out that this is not a beauty contest, but an opportunity for those of us who write to share ideas and learn. (Well you said something like that heheh ).

 

[WriterDom]

I stopped checking the top list about 3 or 4 months ago. Works for me. I did go in there to get a link to my page the other day and was suprised to see the highest scores (except for the new ones) to be around 4.11. It's too bad you don't get an email each time someone votes saying so-and-so just gave you a one on your poem "clit licking cowboy"

Poetry, like sex, was never meant to be voted on.

 

[Senna Jawa]

A reasonable monthly simple positive voting system

It is clear that Literotica views & votes are mere trivia items. Thus in a separate thread I will propose a new voting procedure:

    Flexible Universal Celebration Kaffeeklatsch

or FUCK for short. (If U have difficulties spelling Kaffeeklatsch then replace it with Kudos and relax. If U still have spelling problems just say FUCK).

It would help if Literotica has provided us with a standard archiving service, if we were able to display the list of poems posted on any given month. But if we have to we can get by without that service too.

Three Literotica Gurus will have to volunteer to assume a very undemanding (while honorary ) role in making sure that some irregularities r avoided. It will be very easy.

Regards,

 

[Angeline]

Preach it!

Right on Writer Dom!

 

[RisiaSkye]

Actually, WD, I disagree...

And the German judge gives it a 4.8, with a small penalty for a shaky dismount.

Ah, the joys of voting on sex.

Anyway, as I'm sure daughter & WD know, but the rest of you might not, I really don't care too much about the '1' vote. For me, the issue was trying to figure out whether it was personal, or if we're just in another round of one voters. I had someone personally attacking my poems (all of them, even those not on any list) a while back, and it took months to hunt them down like the dogs they were. But, eventually they were outed and ousted. Such things happen on occasion.

And this time seemed similar--all of my poems have taken a big hit, including those not on any lists. But, so be it. In any case, I'm sorry to hear that this is happening to others, but at the same time--it's nice to know that I haven't somehow inspired yet another whack-job to skulk around my member page, skimming down the list with his finger on the "one" trigger. And, if someone's just jacking with everybody's scores, then it will even out in the end.

And now I remember why I quit checking the lists for so long. That'll teach me to weaken in my resolve to ignore it.

Hi to you all, though. Nice to see you again!

Oh, and daughter? How about a nice cup of Ylang-Ylang in the Solarium this weekend? I could use the break, and it sounds like you could as well. Thanks for keeping me honest, darlin'.

 

[Unmasked Poet]

Risia

p;

 

[JUDO]

RS -

Just got nailed, too. My poem I Want A Girl just received four 1 votes since yesterday. Somebody's got access to multiple computer addresses.

Pretty cool, huh? First time it's been off the list since I posted it. Ah, well.


- Judo