So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[Kitty]

Well, this was an interesting read on a rather dull night spent preparing for Thanksgiving. My takeaways:

* There are a lot of white men on this forum who truly believe they are superior to black people in every way except physicality. And that's cool, I guess, but they should just own it, and stop with the obfuscation. JBJ's a complete dick, and everyone should have him on ignore, but at least he doesn't try to hide his racism. He's proud of it. Man up, boys.

* Not all Playgrounders are stupid. Some of them are capable of having conversations about current events and relevant topics, but the flirting does tend to get out of hand. I'm not going to write them off yet, though.

* That Possum guy's really dumb, but thinks he's smart.

* Kitty has a great rack.

* I really need to send in the DNA kit I ordered from Ancestry, because I'm beginning to believe I might have been deceived about my Cherokee heritage. Or was it Creek? I can't remember.


P.S. Why is it "believe" and "deceive"? Makes no spelling sense.

This post is better than this whole thread, in its entirety. It's sad, pathetic entirety.

 

[patient1]

P.S. Why is it "believe" and "deceive"? Makes no spelling sense.

Because it's the English Language?

 

[Lorilei]

Because it's the English Language?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/businessman-plays-charades-full-body-20022693.jpg

 

[Lorilei]

This post is better than this whole thread, in its entirety. It's sad, pathetic entirety.

Aw, shucks. Thanks.

 

[Kitty]

Aw, shucks. Thanks.

& what a nice, tan, you bird.

(referencing av)

 

[Que]

So Ishy starts a thread purportedly to initiate an honest and fruitful discussion on race relations in the US.

Blacks make up 13% of the population but are responsible for 50% of violent crime…yada , yada, yada. I keep coming back to his statement, “There are far to many poverty stricken of all races and cultures that don't resort to criminal activity just because they're poor.” He did not finish this thought but I suspect that he concludes that blacks are more violent for a specific reason but he never tells us.

Poor parenting skills doesn’t answer the question. That’ just another characteristic of the problem.

Why is it that you want to speculate what it is that Ish thinks without articulating your own answer to the question.

Is it because you have no answers either, or because you think the answer is ugly and you want to have someone else articulate what it is that you think so that you can call them racist for the very conclusion you have come to in our own mind?

I think the answers are not knowable and solveble only within the black community.

The racist with the genetic nonsense is wrong of course and that is what you are asking leading questions about. Blacks come here fresh from somewhere else don't kill each other in these numbers. Blacks similarly imported to the UK do not.

The problem, clearly is cultural. The solution is cultural.

 

[RawHumor]

Because it's the English Language?

I before E except after C, and when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzYaZDK6Is

 

[Kitty]

Why is it that you want to speculate what it is that Ish thinks without articulating your own answer to the question.

Is it because you have no answers either, or because you think the answer is ugly and you want to have someone else articulate what it is that you think so that you can call them racist for the very conclusion you have come to in our own mind?

I think the answers are not knowable and solveble only within the black community.

The racist with the genetic nonsense is wrong of course and that is what you are asking leading questions about. Blacks come here fresh from somewhere else don't kill each other in these numbers. Blacks similarly imported to the UK do not.

The problem, clearly is cultural. The solution is cultural.

Sean Ranaud or whatever already told him it's socioeconomic reasons. And I But...he isn't satisfied

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Why is it that you want to speculate what it is that Ish thinks without articulating your own answer to the question.

Is it because you have no answers either, or because you think the answer is ugly and you want to have someone else articulate what it is that you think so that you can call them racist for the very conclusion you have come to in our own mind?

I think the answers are not knowable and solveble only within the black community.

The racist with the genetic nonsense is wrong of course and that is what you are asking leading questions about. Blacks come here fresh from somewhere else don't kill each other in these numbers. Blacks similarly imported to the UK do not.

The problem, clearly is cultural. The solution is cultural.

Nice try. Thank you for playing.

I'm specifically asking about the violent crime mention in the op.

What possible reason could there be for black men to be more violent?

What is the experience that some black men have that is unique?

 

[Kitty]

Nice try. Thank you for playing.

I'm specifically asking about the violent crime mention in the op.

What possible reason could there be for black men to be more violent?

What is the experience that some black men have that is unique?

You just don't give up do you. I mean it's been said repeatedly. Just press that back button buddy and look around.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5y51sAuiz1qih9gi.gif

Look... It's rich with ideas!

 

[Que]

Sean Ranaud or whatever already told him it's socioeconomic reasons. And I But...he isn't satisfied

He wants to hear from a consevative so he can whip out his ACLU card and say, "SEE it's RACISM!!!

It is not socioeconomic for all the reasons already stated. Poor people in other ethnicities do not resort to these levels of violent crime. It is also not ethnicity because people of similar backgrounds elsewhere in the world and recently important also do not kill each other as often or as senselessly.

The socio-economic argument that does hold some water has nothing to do with poverty but criminal enterprise. In history for example during prohibition, gangs involved themselves in a lot of violent crimes and they were not, for the most part black. Criminals are not impoverished. They make their neighbors and their neighborhoods impoverished. No one is repressing them into their lifestyle. Culture is accepting of the lifestyle. Even during prohibition violence just for violence sake was not "cool," It was sometimes done to intimidate a rival or make a point but not just to fit in.

The main difference here it that it has become ingrained and accepted in the culture of these neighborhoods where it occurs.

Random black guys raised in poverty in areas of the country without a strong "black" identity do not engage in this level of crime.

It isn't even a black thing. It is a young black male raised by a single mom in gangland thing.

 

[Lorilei]

& what a nice, tan, you bird.

(referencing av)

My basting brings all the boys to the yard.

 

[Que]

Nice try. Thank you for playing.

I'm specifically asking about the violent crime mention in the op.

What possible reason could there be for black men to be more violent?

What is the experience that some black men have that is unique?

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Thanks for not playing. For bringing nothing to the table.

Answer your own damned question or STFU.

You are as dumb as SgtSpidey, working his same schtick, but with less integrity.

 

[patient1]

I before E except after C, and when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzYaZDK6Is

Weird.

 

[Lorilei]

I before E except after C, and when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzYaZDK6Is

Hey there, RH!

And yes, but.....WHY? Makes no logical sense.

English is weird.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

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Thanks for not playing. For bringing nothing to the table.

Answer your own damned question or STFU.

You are as dumb as SgtSpidey, working his same schtick, but with less integrity.

That hurts my feelings because I have such high regard for you.

 

[Que]

Fail. Thanks, though, for confirming that you really have no idea either.

You could choose to ask the member that lives in the violence or simply read what he has written on the subject, but it seems the resident hipster arbiter of all things black has yet to give his imprimatur of the verity of that point of view. I can see where you would be hesitant to trust that until you get the okily dokily.

Coupla white guys discussing it is futile. A white guy trying to discuss it while another white guy is merely asking snide questions is of even less value.

 

[Kitty]

My basting brings all the boys to the yard.

I just Lol'd for the first time today. Thanks *bows*

 

[Kitty]

ok. we've been arguing about this for so long I don't even think anyone remembers how it started. We've all swallowed the seeds that propaganda offered us. We're actually trying to look for science behind Brown's death. It's simple as day: a cop over-zealously killed a criminal. Bing. bang. boom.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He wants to hear from a consevative so he can whip out his ACLU card and say, "SEE it's RACISM!!!

It is not socioeconomic for all the reasons already stated. Poor people in other ethnicities do not resort to these levels of violent crime. It is also not ethnicity because people of similar backgrounds elsewhere in the world and recently important also do not kill each other as often or as senselessly.

The socio-economic argument that does hold some water has nothing to do with poverty but criminal enterprise. In history for example during prohibition, gangs involved themselves in a lot of violent crimes and they were not, for the most part black. Criminals are not impoverished. They make their neighbors and their neighborhoods impoverished. No one is repressing them into their lifestyle. Culture is accepting of the lifestyle. Even during prohibition violence just for violence sake was not "cool," It was sometimes done to intimidate a rival or make a point but not just to fit in.

The main difference here it that it has become ingrained and accepted in the culture of these neighborhoods where it occurs.

Random black guys raised in poverty in areas of the country without a strong "black" identity do not engage in this level of crime.

It isn't even a black thing. It is a young black male raised by a single mom in gangland thing.

Of course it's socio-economic and yes other people in similar circumstances do commit similar or worse levels of crime. Criminals do not make their neighborhoods impoverished, you can make the case they aren't helping but they are not the cause.

Culture is part of the socio-economic scenario, you do understand that right? And yes it is a gangland thing though the single mom issue is blown grossly out of proportion. That's again about poor economics a lot more than anything to do with having a male role model lying around.

 

[Kitty]

Fail. Thanks, though, for confirming that you really have no idea either.

You could choose to ask the member that lives in the violence or simply read what he has written on the subject, but it seems the resident hipster arbiter of all things black has yet to give his imprimatur of the verity of that point of view. I can see where you would be hesitant to trust that until you get the okily dokily.

Coupla white guys discussing it is futile. A white guy trying to discuss it while another white guy is merely asking snide questions is of even less value.

lol I like that term "nons sequitur." Or whatever.

 

[Lorilei]

I just Lol'd for the first time today. Thanks *bows*

*preens*

 

[Kitty]

*preens*

Yea, you get those feathers, you dirty bird.

What a festive day ...with great successes. This calls for a celebratory dance.

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[Sean Renaud]

ok. we've been arguing about this for so long I don't even think anyone remembers how it started. We've all swallowed the seeds that propaganda offered us. We're actually trying to look for science behind Brown's death. It's simple as day: a cop over-zealously killed a criminal. Bing. bang. boom.

Here's the thing, him being a criminal had no bearing on it by every report we've heard. So a cop did not over-zealously kill a criminal. He killed a black kid. There is actually an important difference. See in order for him to be a criminal in anyway that MATTERS to this conversation Brown would have to have heard the report and recognized him. Which unless that's changed recently the report went out AFTER.

The same way that if I happen to run out of my house and shoot the first Muslim I see because he says something I think sounds terroristy and he turns out to be the leader of ISIS well goody for me but that's notwhy he's dead.

 

[Ishmael]

Nice try. Thank you for playing.

I'm specifically asking about the violent crime mention in the op.

What possible reason could there be for black men to be more violent?

What is the experience that some black men have that is unique?

Query answered that already. But if you need my thoughts, here they are.

Young black men began to embrace crime as a way of life back in the 70's and 80's. I attribute that to a whole rash of "Blackploitation" films that Hollywood was churning out romanticizing the criminal lifestyle. And that morphed into 'gangsta' rap' in the 90's and beyond. The welfare destruction of the black family saw a host of young black men out on the streets, time on their hands, and no male role models beyond the aforementioned pop culture derived 'criminal art.' And just who needs an education to run a little dope from here to there?

As minors (all minors, not just black) they learned that the doors of justice are revolving. No matter how many times they were picked up (short of murder) they were back out on the street again with little more than a hand slap. The legal system was/is viewed as a joke, a nuisance, beyond contempt. Hell of an attitude to grow up with.

So, it's cultural. It's endemic to the native born black community. And as I, and others, have opined in this thread, the cops can't change a culture, the politicians can't change a culture, and the interfering white liberal can't change a culture. Cultures can only be changed from within. The black community is going to have to solve this, no one else can because no one else has any credibility.

Ishmael