So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[Sean Renaud]

Agreed.

I do have to say that claiming there are not genetic differences that may play some roles in our behavior is little more than self aggrandizing human arrogance. I simply don't buy the idea that it is the only or even the primary factor here.

 

[RjThoughts]

I have already done the research.
Blacks commit more crimes than any other race by %. That is a fact.

You are using numbers in some of your research and % in some. Try using the same thing for everything instead od choosing the one that makes your point.
That is one reason for the race problems. People want to make their race look better even when they have to use the wrong numbers. That makes the problem worse as those who cannot read will believe what they like the best. They do not know the person is making a fool of them.

Committing crimes and being arrested for them are TWO DIFFERENT ACTIONS!

 

[Que]

I can answer that one very easy.
Yes it is genetic. Most things people do is the result of genetics.

To make it simple. Do you see any difference in a pit bull and a lab?
The difference is genetics. They both have been bred for certain genetics for years.
How about cattle. See the difference in an angus and a jersey? Same thing. They were bred for certain genetic traits.
Maybe horses. Look at a race horse and a draft horse.
Genetics makes the black race different than other races more so than just the color of their skin. Each race was bred by nature for certain genetic traits.
The traits are different in all races. Color is not the only difference.

You are, in addition to being a virulent racist, and idiot. Genetics do not play any known part in human behavior, much less is is true that "Most things people do is the result of genetics."

There is no known genetic marker for violence or your stupidity for that matter.

Even if animals were an analog for humans your examples fail. "Pit bulls" are not "bred for violence;" they are trained for violence.

American Staffordshire Terriers are used by those that train dogs for violence because (and only because) they have powerful jaws, strong necks and, like you, thick skulls.

Cocker Spaniels are more apt to bite without provocation than pit bulls and they have not been "bred for violence."

 

[RjThoughts]

Of course she was. And I'm the least dishonest person on here. "Stupid fucking cunt." I'd rather be ignored by some angry, sterile misogynist like you.

You should have asked him which nation: Eastern Band, Central Band, other.

 

[Kitty]

You should have asked him which nation: Eastern Band, Central Band, other.

Everyone always says Cherokee lmao I've learnt to not even bother.

 

[Que]

Committing crimes and being arrested for them are TWO DIFFERENT ACTIONS!

And this is statistically relevant because cops work homicides where the doer and the decedent are both black in mostly black neighborhoods harder?

If anything black on black crime is under-investigated and under-prosecuted.

The FBI statistics take into account murders that are unsolved and therefore the race of the perpetrator was unknown. If you assume that each and every unsolved homicide was done by some random white dude, you still have an easily noticeable problem of violence by blacks against blacks.

As to why that is, is open to speculation. The fact that it is a fact is not.

If you have seven black gang members shot by persons that are known and turn out to be black, the race of the perpetrators of the next three shooting in that neighborhood are likely what?

No one seriously thinks that black gang members shot to death in a black neighborhood were shot by anyone but a black guy.

 

[RjThoughts]

Everyone always says Cherokee lmao I've learnt to not even bother.

I say "I'm of Akwesasne Mohawk" and people tend to look at me funny, ask me what that means, then I explain that my paternal grandmother was born on the St Regis Mohawk reservation, which has since changed name. Some will ask if I can get them vouchers for free play at the casino or bingo hall LOL

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Hitler youth! http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/fuhrer.gif
ARE they statistically more violent. Please read my most recent comment, and follow the procedure. Sure they might have the highest ratio aka likelihood of committing a crime, but they aren't necessarily the most people doing it. And certainly not the only. So it's not exclusively a concern about why black men do it; don't single them out. The nobler goal is to figure out why there is crime in humanity, not just the black race.

But I'm sure we can deduce black crime to, institutionalized discrimination and the glass ceiling. It's...really no headscratcher, folks. Also, a lack of personal values but that can be anyone from any background.

sweetheart with the terrific ta tas, I don't think you comprehend where I'm coming from.

 

[Que]

Everyone always says Cherokee lmao I've learnt to not even bother.

Not everyone. My kids are part Choctaw, and an equal minor part black.

Although to be honest, when I was young I heard that on my dad's side was some Cherokee. Unlike Elizabeth Warren, I have had to live with the disappointment that my bloodlines all run to Germany, England and Ireland.

~sings~

"Cherokee People..."

 

[Kitty]

I say "I'm of Akwesasne Mohawk" and people tend to look at me funny, ask me what that means, then I explain that my paternal grandmother was born on the St Regis Mohawk reservation, which has since changed name. Some will ask if I can get them vouchers for free play at the casino or bingo hall LOL

Oh cool lol I say I'm Seminole and people always ask to meet me at the Hotel. It's in NY, right? I knew a couple rez hotties from Onondaga Nation. I used to go to powwows when I was younger and wanted to compete in the intertribal comps but my mom said "I'm not a stage mom." She was raised by Cubans in Miami and was detached from the culture and moved us to NY but I always reach back.

 

[RjThoughts]

And this is statistically relevant because cops work homicides where the doer and the decedent are both black in mostly black neighborhoods harder?

If anything black on black crime is under-investigated and under-prosecuted.

The FBI statistics take into account murders that are unsolved and therefore the race of the perpetrator was unknown. If you assume that each and every unsolved homicide was done by some random white dude, you still have an easily noticeable problem of violence by blacks against blacks.

As to why that is, is open to speculation. The fact that it is a fact is not.

If you have seven black gang members shot by persons that are known and turn out to be black, the race of the perpetrators of the next three shooting in that neighborhood are likely what?

No one seriously thinks that black gang members shot to death in a black neighborhood were shot by anyone but a black guy.

Black gang member was shot last year in his driveway, which is right behind my backyard, shot by a Hispanic gang member. Under what statistic does that fall under?

Hispanic on black crime?
Is it a hate crime because of the differing races?
Does that make our neighborhood black or Hispanic?

And by the way, it was over a "woman." Both gangs had no further violence against each other, just left it alone because the woman involved is a total and absolute Webster's definition of skanky ho.

 

[Kitty]

sweetheart with the terrific ta tas, I don't think you comprehend where I'm coming from.

If I quote, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm making a rebuttal. I'm just expanding. But whatever. I don't care anymore.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Why do you feel that is is your privilege to believe something without any fact or proof while denying facts in evidence by those making a point that you do not much agree with? One-liners and scorn are not a conversation, but that has become the tell fo the dedicated Democrat demographic.

I'm pretty sure I have not made any declarative statements in this thread. I've been asking the same question and not getting any answers.

Since 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, people have been coming to live in the US for one reason or another. Today, 2014, crime statistics reflect that black men commit more violent crimes that anyone else.

So I'm asking anyone with a brain, is it genetics that make black American males statistically more violent or are there other social reasons. If social reasons, what do you believe those factors to be?

 

[RjThoughts]

Oh cool lol I say I'm Seminole and people always ask to meet me at the Hotel. It's in NY, right? I knew a couple rez hotties from Onondaga Nation. I used to go to powwows when I was younger and wanted to compete in the intertribal comps but my mom said "I'm not a stage mom." She was raised by Cubans in Miami and was detached from the culture and moved us to NY but I always reach back.

It's on the St Lawrence River: Go to Plattsburg NY and hang a left, follow the signs to the bingo hall and casino

My grandmother had all her children - dad and his eight siblings - keep some Mohawk identity: most were trekked back to the reservation to learn about the culture, history, etc, and all were registered as members of the nation. Most of us grandchildren have, too, been back to her birthplace, and most of are members.

 

[Kitty]

Not everyone. My kids are part Choctaw, and an equal minor part black.

Although to be honest, when I was young I heard that on my dad's side was some Cherokee. Unlike Elizabeth Warren, I have had to live with the disappointment that my bloodlines all run to Germany, England and Ireland.

~sings~

"Cherokee People..."

Oh cool. So you're with a Choctaw?
&No. People always say they're Sioux or Cherry. Because they're the popular ones. Like you're not gonna hear, "I'm Hopi, from Orayvi on the 3rd Mesa near Kykotsmovi."

 

[RjThoughts]

I'm pretty sure I have not made any declarative statements in this thread. I've been asking the same question and not getting any answers.

Since 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, people have been coming to live in the US for one reason or another. Today, 2014, crime statistics reflect that black men commit more violent crimes that anyone else.

So I'm asking anyone with a brain, is it genetics that make black American males statistically more violent or are there other social reasons. If social reasons, what do you believe those factors to be?

Having been associated with poor blacks from well birth - we lived in a housing project until I was almost 11 - I say it's more of a social reason.

 

[Que]

I'm pretty sure I have made any declarative statements in this thread. I've been asking the same question and not getting any answers.

Since 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, people have been coming to live in the US for one reason or another. Today, 2014, crime statistics reflect that black men commit more violent crimes that anyone else.

So I'm asking anyone with a brain, is it genetics that make black American males statistically more violent or are there other social reasons. If social reasons, what do you believe those factors to be?

I have answered that repeatedly with what s known and what is speculated about. Those on the left think it is institutionalized racism which is hard to buy amongst people that never see a non-black person and poverty which doesn't cause violence to the same degree in other populations. I say (again) it is broken homes, a culture that glorifies violence, a population that is pandered to and told the are victims of institutionalized racism, and too many fathers in prison instead of available to be role models.

Government meddling has exacerbated all of the above. No-fault divorce for one. Incentivising single parenthood financially and pulling the bottom several rungs for potential employment in poor neighborhoods with the minimum wage. Sweeping out the store in an inner city grocery or bagging groceries will not command minimum wage. It cannot be afforded in those small shops.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Having been associated with poor blacks from well birth - we lived in a housing project until I was almost 11 - I say it's more of a social reason.

and I would agree. But I'd like one of the haters to tell me what, SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE FACTORS TO BE.

To simply say that black males are more violent because statistics say so and because of the breakdown of families and shit like that is a cop out.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I have answered that repeatedly with what s known and what is speculated about. Those on the left think it is institutionalized racism which is hard to buy amongst people that never see a non-black person and poverty which doesn't cause violence to the same degree in other populations. I say (again) it is broken homes, a culture that glorifies violence, a population that is pandered to and told the are victims of institutionalized racism, and too many fathers in prison instead of available to be role models.

Government meddling has exacerbated all of the above. No-fault divorce for one. Incentivising single parenthood financially and pulling the bottom several rungs for potential employment in poor neighborhoods with the minimum wage. Sweeping out the store in an inner city grocery or bagging groceries will not command minimum wage. It cannot be afforded in those small shops.

That is a much better effort that anyone else has made but you're still missing the most important factor.

 

[Kitty]

It's on the St Lawrence River: Go to Plattsburg NY and hang a left, follow the signs to the bingo hall and casino

My grandmother had all her children - dad and his eight siblings - keep some Mohawk identity: most were trekked back to the reservation to learn about the culture, history, etc, and all were registered as members of the nation. Most of us grandchildren have, too, been back to her birthplace, and most of are members.

Hm. That's a long ways up lol I'll just ask some buddies who might know.

My grandma always since she was little went to the rez and her generation in our family. And then my aunts they know about it, as they still live in Florida. They get shared rev from the Casino as well My mom is just angry and stubborn But not me, I might even marry me one.

 

[Kitty]

I'm pretty sure I have not made any declarative statements in this thread. I've been asking the same question and not getting any answers.

Since 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, people have been coming to live in the US for one reason or another. Today, 2014, crime statistics reflect that black men commit more violent crimes that anyone else.

So I'm asking anyone with a brain, is it genetics that make black American males statistically more violent or are there other social reasons. If social reasons, what do you believe those factors to be?

Oh dear. It's a social reason. Genetics, that's just ridiculous, no offense to you per se. But it's obviously a social reason why anyone commits a crime. Do you realize how damaged that psyche is. It's human nature for an individual to understand the necessity of survival. Like I said, you're singling people out. It's not an isolated reason why blacks commit crimes. How is this flying over your head, sir. The same reason this black guy smoked that blunt or pushed that crack or slapped that hoe is the same reason a white guy would do it. It just happens more with blacks, legend says, because there's racism and inequality and indifference about it in this country, what part is so hard?

 

[Que]

Oh cool. So you're with a Choctaw?
&No. People always say they're Sioux or Cherry. Because they're the popular ones. Like you're not gonna hear, "I'm Hopi, from Orayvi on the 3rd Mesa near Kykotsmovi."

The lovely mother of my children got her cheekbones from a grandfather who married a woman that was 1/2 black, 1/2 Choctaw. It's kind of amusing that that side of the family, being rednecks do not like to mention that.



I work with a lot of Navajos and some Apaches. My best wingman is Navajo. He plays the strong-silent type to my loquacious counterpoint. It is mostly native men down here, sadly. You do hear I am Hopi here on occasion. Hopis are a matriarchy. Navajos always give their mother's clan when introducing themselves around other Navajos.

 

[Kitty]

The lovely mother of my children got her cheekbones from a grandfather who married a woman that was 1/2 black, 1/2 Choctaw. It's kind of amusing that that side of the family, being rednecks do not like to mention that.



I work with a lot of Navajos and some Apaches. My best wingman is Navajo. He plays the strong-silent type to my loquacious counterpoint. It is mostly native men down here, sadly.

Oh my God, I dated a Hopi They're apart of the Navajos. Gorgeous people, great tans, awesome raven hair and amazing cheekbones.

 

[RjThoughts]

Hm. That's a long ways up lol I'll just ask some buddies who might know.

My grandma always since she was little went to the rez and her generation in our family. And then my aunts they know about it, as they still live in Florida. They get shared rev from the Casino as well My mom is just angry and stubborn But not me, I might even marry me one.

My grandmother was a stubborn and mean woman, but I think that was due to having so many children, first at 14 and last at 33.

I never dated a girl of Native descent, never met any that interested me beyond being good friends.

 

[Kitty]

My grandmother was a stubborn and mean woman, but I think that was due to having so many children, first at 14 and last at 33.

I never dated a girl of Native descent, never met any that interested me beyond being good friends.

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