So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[Que]

What was done to the native American population is exactly what was done to the black community. Heard them into section 8 reservations, give them just enough free stuff to pacify them, and leave them to rot in their communities.

On;y though casino revenue are any of the tribes near me making any progress. Even still alcoholism, diabetes, and indolence is rampant. Just that, now, instead of money from the BIA, it is money from their share of tribal profits. Still not the same as work, industry and hard fought for self esteem.

But liberals are the compassionate ones. Their intent means that there is no accountability for actual results of their demanded policies.

 

[Ishmael]

What was done to the native American population is exactly what was done to the black community. Heard them into section 8 reservations, give them just enough free stuff to pacify them, and leave them to rot in their communities.

On;y though casino revenue are any of the tribes near me making any progress. Even still alcoholism, diabetes, and indolence is rampant. Just that, now, instead of money from the BIA, it is money from their share of tribal profits. Still not the same as work, industry and hard fought for self esteem.

But liberals are the compassionate ones. Their intent means that there is no accountability for actual results of their demanded policies.

Just because your master is benevolent doesn't mean you aren't a slave. - Ishmael 2014.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What was done to the native American population is exactly what was done to the black community. Heard them into section 8 reservations, give them just enough free stuff to pacify them, and leave them to rot in their communities.

On;y though casino revenue are any of the tribes near me making any progress. Even still alcoholism, diabetes, and indolence is rampant. Just that, now, instead of money from the BIA, it is money from their share of tribal profits. Still not the same as work, industry and hard fought for self esteem.

But liberals are the compassionate ones. Their intent means that there is no accountability for actual results of their demanded policies.

They were both tragic in their own ways but they are not exactly the same. Which is worse is debatable. Their cultures are at least partially intact ours is utterly decimated to the point that nobody argues that what passes for white culture is odd sort of thing that emerged from aping our neighbors and being sufficiently isolated and occasionally going a bit bat shit.

I don't think you'll find a lot of people trying to argue that what happened to them wasn't and isn't tragic.

Yep, liberals are the compassionate ones. Their is accountability for the actual results, in fact we demand it. I'm not Native American and I'm not familar with the programs for them, if it's anything like what was done for other minorities however it was grossly inssufficient possibly intentionally.

Just because your master is benevolent doesn't mean you aren't a slave. - Ishmael 2014.

Everybody's a slave.

 

[Que]

They were both tragic in their own ways but they are not exactly the same. Which is worse is debatable. Their cultures are at least partially intact ours is utterly decimated to the point that nobody argues that what passes for white culture is odd sort of thing that emerged from aping our neighbors and being sufficiently isolated and occasionally going a bit bat shit.

I don't think you'll find a lot of people trying to argue that what happened to them wasn't and isn't tragic.

Yep, liberals are the compassionate ones. Their is accountability for the actual results, in fact we demand it. I'm not Native American and I'm not familar with the programs for them, if it's anything like what was done for other minorities however it was grossly inssufficient possibly intentionally.


Everybody's a slave.

More benefits would have made them even more dependent. The liberal idea that more money is more compassion is wrong on it's face.

You do not give more money to an addict as a show of love. You do not subjugate, then make dependent an entire race of people.

You want to buy them tractors, smoke houses, lumber mills, irrigation systems, fine.

Paying for houses, beer and pickup trucks is not a hand up.

Night and day in my area. Settler farms right up against Native land. Prosperous cotton farmers, abject poverty a mile away.

 

[Sean Renaud]

More benefits would have made them even more dependent. The liberal idea that more money is more compassion is wrong on it's face.

You do not give more money to an addict as a show of love. You do not subjugate, then make dependent an entire race of people.

You want to buy them tractors, smoke houses, lumber mills, irrigation systems, fine.

Paying for houses, beer and pickup trucks is not a hand up.

Night and day in my area. Settler farms right up against Native land. Prosperous cotton farmers, abject poverty a mile away.

Maybe it would have maybe it wouldn't have. That's just a claim conservatives make that nobody ever challenges.

They aren't addicts, they're broken and we broke them.

Those would be handouts, though I'm not sure those are particularly great hand outs but those are no different ultimately from houses, beer and pick up trucks.

Without knowing the history of your area that's absolutely meaningless. You want to pick an oil producing country that's got the exact same thing? It doesn't mean everybody had remotely equal anything.

 

[Ishmael]

More benefits would have made them even more dependent. The liberal idea that more money is more compassion is wrong on it's face.

You do not give more money to an addict as a show of love. You do not subjugate, then make dependent an entire race of people.

You want to buy them tractors, smoke houses, lumber mills, irrigation systems, fine.

Paying for houses, beer and pickup trucks is not a hand up.

Night and day in my area. Settler farms right up against Native land. Prosperous cotton farmers, abject poverty a mile away.

I'm watching the tribes/pueblos here. they ALL have a casino, diluting the market, and they're all pissing their money away setting up sub-welfare schemes building nothing of any lasting value at all.

If the blacks want to see the long term results of government largess all they have to do is visit an Indian reservation. The future will be revealed.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm watching the tribes/pueblos here. they ALL have a casino, diluting the market, and they're all pissing their money away setting up sub-welfare schemes building nothing of any lasting value at all.

If the blacks want to see the long term results of government largess all they have to do is visit an Indian reservation. The future will be revealed.

Ishmael

It doesn't seem any worse than the long term effects of government persecution. And where I live they don't seem to be that bad off, though too many casinos IS a problem.

 

[Busybody]

Seriously, when? Obama promised an honest discussion during his 2008 run for the presidency. And Holder reiterated that sentiment during his nomination hearings. But has there been any open and honest discussions, not to my knowledge.


Ishmael

CANT BE DONE!

Holder Speaking At Black Church Says Racist Cops Like Those In Ferguson “Threaten The Entire Nation”…


Holder

I wonder how many blacks died at the hands of fellow blacks during Holder’s speech?


WASHINGTON — The problems put on display after the death of Michael Brown in the small St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, in August “are truly national in scope and that threaten the entire nation,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech on Monday.

Holder, speaking at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, said the nation needs to confront the broken relationship between many law enforcement agencies and the communities that they are supposed to serve.

“Broadly speaking, without mutual understanding between citizens — whose rights must be respected — and law enforcement officers — who make tremendous and often-unheralded personal sacrifices every day to preserve public safety — there can be no meaningful progress,” Holder said in prepared remarks. “Our police officers cannot be seen as an occupying force disconnected from the communities they serve. Bonds that have been broken must be restored. Bonds that never existed must now be created.”

 

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[possum123]

I would rather be rich than famous. I got some soul searching to do. Git to find what makes me happy.

First thing you need to learn is what some one else thinks doe not matter.
People spend too much time trying to impress other people.
They always fail.

 

[possum123]

The facts are that blacks are approx. 13% of the population but they commit close to 50% of all violent crimes and property crimes. The sole exception is rape in which their statistics are in line with their representation of the population. Over 93% of all black victims of murder were murdered by fellow blacks. And that victimization profile is true for all other violent crimes (except the aforementioned Rape). Bottom line is that overwhelmingly blacks are the victims of crime and those crimes were committed by fellow blacks.

That is something the colored race should think about.
That is the thing the colored people should be complaining about.
People all over the U.S. would be glad to help if they would try to do something about the real problem.
Instead the colored people loot, burn, and riot for any excuse except the one that would make a difference.
They pick out some piece of shit that someone has to kill to stop them from committing even more crimes and try to change the facts to make up for their looting and burning.

 

[Ishmael]

He doesn't care. He's in the middle of an attack ob the nation's civil police force. Obama's suggestion that all cops have body camera's however will finally put Al Sharpton out of business. He's probably too dumb to know it.

Having every elected and appointed public official wearing a body camera at all times would be much better for the nation.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

He doesn't care. He's in the middle of an attack ob the nation's civil police force. Obama's suggestion that all cops have body camera's however will finally put Al Sharpton out of business. He's probably too dumb to know it.

How exactly is insisting that the nation's law enforcement agencies behave responsibly toward those they are meant to protect an "attack"? No police officer should have any reason (with the exception of undercover officers) not to want to wear a camera while on duty. It's as much for their protection as it is for that of the public.

If former officer Wilson had been wearing a body camera then their would have been no question about exactly what happened. Likewise, officers would not be routinely accused of abusing their power if they have video showing exactly what transpired at any given moment.

 

[possum123]

Having every elected and appointed public official wearing a body camera at all times would be much better for the nation.

Ishmael

Yes, it would be great if every elected person was fitted for a camera when they won the election and had to wear it 24 hours a day.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That is something the colored race should think about.

1930 called . . .

 

[Que]

1930 called . . .

You fire off a letter to the president on that?

By, the way. As late as 1968 "colored" was the polite, and only politically correct term available to use for people that we now call black or African American. It is still pretty much the only polite, all-inclusive term to use for "not-caucasian." A designation that our society still seems to think is important from some meaningless reason.

 

[possum123]

You fire off a letter to the president on that?

By, the way. As late as 1968 "colored" was the polite, and only politically correct term available to use for people that we now call black or African American. It is still pretty much the only polite, all-inclusive term to use for "not-caucasian." A designation that our society still seems to think is important from some meaningless reason.

The "colored people" don't even know what they want to be called. They keep changing it thinking it will some how change what they are.
They have tried several different names but they remain the same.
Maybe if they would work as had trying to change themselves into good hard working honest citizens people would call them by a name they would like.

 

[Busybody]

1930 called . . .

What should "people" in COMMUNITIES OF COLORED BE CALLED

 

[Ishmael]

You fire off a letter to the president on that?

By, the way. As late as 1968 "colored" was the polite, and only politically correct term available to use for people that we now call black or African American. It is still pretty much the only polite, all-inclusive term to use for "not-caucasian." A designation that our society still seems to think is important from some meaningless reason.

What should "people" in COMMUNITIES OF COLORED BE CALLED

Trayvon Martin's GF answered that question, under oath, check U-tube.

Ishmael

 

[Skiddles2014]

Trayvon Martin's GF answered that question, under oath, check U-tube.

Ishmael

Has the cancer spread any?

 

[Kitty]

What was done to the native American population is exactly what was done to the black community. Heard them into section 8 reservations, give them just enough free stuff to pacify them, and leave them to rot in their communities.

On;y though casino revenue are any of the tribes near me making any progress. Even still alcoholism, diabetes, and indolence is rampant. Just that, now, instead of money from the BIA, it is money from their share of tribal profits. Still not the same as work, industry and hard fought for self esteem.

But liberals are the compassionate ones. Their intent means that there is no accountability for actual results of their demanded policies.

Perfect.

To the second bold part: So very true. But my mom's tribe usually gets thousands of dollars a month

 

[Busybody]

Trayvon Martin's GF answered that question, under oath, check U-tube.

Ishmael

yes!

 

[Busybody]

Perfect.

To the second bold part: So very true. But my mom's tribe usually gets thousands of dollars a month

I will send you $5 for pics

$10 for really good pics

 

[KingOrfeo]

We haven't even begun to get tough. It takes 17 years to have the death penalty carried out in my state. It ought to take one trip to the state Supreme Court, one trip to federal court with one habeas corpus claim, and your ass is done.

We need to crank up the production of the many clogged death rows to the level of what we see in Texas at the very least.

Life in prison for three time losers, death penalty for a fourth, even if committed in prison.

Solutions in search of a problem. Nothing you mention will help lower the crime rate nor the incarceration rate any.