So, How Is The War Going For The Russians

[Rightguide]

This from 1945:

Putin’s Operational Pause Could Be A Bad Sign For The Russian Military​

By
Stavros Atlamazoglou

"To be sure, the Ukrainian figures could be off, and Kyiv could be very well hyping the casualties its troops are inflicting on the Russians. But thus far, the Ukrainian claims have been independently verified to a large degree, both by Western intelligence services and private open-source investigators.

Overall, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed that as of Friday, Ukrainian forces have killed approximately 36,900 Russian troops (and wounded approximately thrice that number), destroyed 217 fighter, attack, and transport jets, 187 attack and transport helicopters, 1,637 tanks, 828 artillery pieces, 3,811 armored personnel carriers, 247 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 15 boats and cutters, 2,685 vehicles and fuel tanks, 153 anti-aircraft batteries, 669 tactical unmanned aerial systems, 66 special equipment platforms, such as bridging vehicles, and four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems, and 155 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07...could-be-a-bad-sign-for-the-russian-military/

If these numbers are real, it doesn't look good for the Russians.

 

[oggbashan]

They have also killed over fifty Russian officers of colonel and above.

 

[Rightguide]

They have also killed over fifty Russian officers of colonel and above.

This indicates an obvious structural problem with the delegation of authority down through the chain of command. We have Sergeants and Corporals for a reason.

 

[oggbashan]

And the Russians don't and suffer for it.

 

[Rightguide]

And the Russians don't and suffer for it.

The totalitarian mindset always favors the centralization of authority, and it's killing those officers who support and enable the system. It's never good when field grade or higher ranked officers have to come down to the front and direct squad tactics.

 

[Rightguide]

Is The Russian Navy Doomed?

ByRobert FarleyPublished2 days ago


What future does the Russian Navy have? While Russia’s naval forces have played an important role in the war their performance has been, at best, mixed. The Russian Navy has successfully blockaded ports and launched missiles against targets across Ukraine, but along the way it lost its Black Sea flagship, lost one of its most important amphibious warfare vessels, failed to ensure control of Snake Island, and failed to prosecute decisive amphibious operations in the Ukrainian littoral.

The Russian military will in the future face substantial budgetary constraints. While it is true that Russia’s economy has withstood sanctions better than expected thus far, this situation is unlikely to hold in the long term, especially if the United States can maintain the coalition. It is not obvious at this point that the Navy will be able to command sufficient resources to maintain itself, much less rebuild.

Russian Navy: The Strategic Outlook

Strategically, Russia’s naval situation has changed considerably over the past several months. The Baltic is for all intents and purposes closed to Russia upon the accession of Finland and Sweden to NATO. In no conceivable conflict could Russian warships (even submarines) use the Baltic without running the risk of imminent destruction. The accession of Finland complicates Russian access in the north, giving NATO better eyes on the major Russian naval bases in the Arctic, including the ballistic missile fleet. Russia has the most flexibility in the Pacific, but Japanese re-armament and the increasingly fraught relationship between Tokyo and Moscow make significant action difficult to contemplate.

Indeed, even the Black Sea is now perilous for Russia. If Ukraine survives this war as a political entity it will undoubtedly possess anti-ship weapons that will make operations dangerous. Turkey, notwithstanding its often difficult relationship with the rest of NATO, now holds the key to naval power in the Black Sea.

Russian Navy: What About the Surface Fleet?

The Russian surface fleet is in trouble, starting with the industrial base. Russia has reportedly canceled procurement of additional Project 22610 patrol vessels over concerns about performance. The average construction period of the Admiral Gorshkov frigates is currently running at more than a decade, with only three of the ships having been delivered since the first was laid down in 2006. Theoretically Russia could purchase warships from abroad (China is the most likely and, really, the only prospective exporter), but this would require currency and also an admission of domestic industrial shortcomings.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/is-the-russian-navy-doomed/

Things aren't looking too good strategically for the Russian Navy either.

 

[lingeriefunlovr]

Support Ukrainian soldiers NOW!
This is our once in a lifetime chance to finish what should have been finished in 1945. One more bomb could have destroyed Moscow together with hitlers antipode Stalin. It would have saved us from the Korean War, the Vietnam war, and now the Ukraine war. All these wars have cost us lots of money and people. Imagine how well our economy would be with a supportive Russia (instead of the veto morons Moscow spawns).
This is our moment to support the Ukraine army and destroy the Russian criminal gang!

 

[Chernosoth]

Putin sent the B team to keep the A team available for defense. Nobody has shown the guts to attack Russia, so he may decide to put more or better forces in Ukraine.

 

[jomar]

This indicates an obvious structural problem with the delegation of authority down through the chain of command. We have Sergeants and Corporals for a reason.

Seems like I read something on that where it’s a paranoid system that protects the top by keeping experienced officers at a minimum, even culling them out so a military coup threat is minimized. So the can do sergeants, who grease the wheel, are scarce and higher ups are on the front line getting picked off. I could be mistaken.

 

[mayfly13]

tl

Is The Russian Navy Doomed?

ByRobert FarleyPublished2 days ago


What future does the Russian Navy have? While Russia’s naval forces have played an important role in the war their performance has been, at best, mixed. The Russian Navy has successfully blockaded ports and launched missiles against targets across Ukraine, but along the way it lost its Black Sea flagship, lost one of its most important amphibious warfare vessels, failed to ensure control of Snake Island, and failed to prosecute decisive amphibious operations in the Ukrainian littoral.

The Russian military will in the future face substantial budgetary constraints. While it is true that Russia’s economy has withstood sanctions better than expected thus far, this situation is unlikely to hold in the long term, especially if the United States can maintain the coalition. It is not obvious at this point that the Navy will be able to command sufficient resources to maintain itself, much less rebuild.

Russian Navy: The Strategic Outlook

Strategically, Russia’s naval situation has changed considerably over the past several months. The Baltic is for all intents and purposes closed to Russia upon the accession of Finland and Sweden to NATO. In no conceivable conflict could Russian warships (even submarines) use the Baltic without running the risk of imminent destruction. The accession of Finland complicates Russian access in the north, giving NATO better eyes on the major Russian naval bases in the Arctic, including the ballistic missile fleet. Russia has the most flexibility in the Pacific, but Japanese re-armament and the increasingly fraught relationship between Tokyo and Moscow make significant action difficult to contemplate.

Indeed, even the Black Sea is now perilous for Russia. If Ukraine survives this war as a political entity it will undoubtedly possess anti-ship weapons that will make operations dangerous. Turkey, notwithstanding its often difficult relationship with the rest of NATO, now holds the key to naval power in the Black Sea.

Russian Navy: What About the Surface Fleet?

The Russian surface fleet is in trouble, starting with the industrial base. Russia has reportedly canceled procurement of additional Project 22610 patrol vessels over concerns about performance. The average construction period of the Admiral Gorshkov frigates is currently running at more than a decade, with only three of the ships having been delivered since the first was laid down in 2006. Theoretically Russia could purchase warships from abroad (China is the most likely and, really, the only prospective exporter), but this would require currency and also an admission of domestic industrial shortcomings.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/is-the-russian-navy-doomed/

Things aren't looking too good strategically for the Russian Navy either.

wtf are you blabbering and propagandising about now?

 

[oggbashan]

Russia is now taking convicted murderers out of jail to fight in Ukraine.

 

[jomar]

Russia is now taking convicted murderers out of jail to fight in Ukraine.

If so, that’s pretty desperate and what could go wrong with that move?

 

[Rightguide]

Seems like I read something on that where it’s a paranoid system that protects the top by keeping experienced officers at a minimum, even culling them out so a military coup threat is minimized. So the can do sergeants, who grease the wheel, are scarce and higher ups are on the front line getting picked off. I could be mistaken.

The problem is they don't have non-commissioned officers as we do and where they might exist they do not have leadership roles with the authority to act independently to evolving changes on the ground, but must wait for word from above. Hence we see situations where field grade commissioned officers are on the frontlines directing squad and platoon tactics like Corporals and Sergeants would and dying in the same kind numbers.

 

[Rightguide]

tl

wtf are you blabbering and propagandising about now?

You are too dumb and misinformed to discuss this subject matter. So I'm not going to oblige until you address the subject, so read the fucking article and educate yourself.

 

[jomar]

The problem is they don't have non-commissioned officers as we do and where they might exist they do not have leadership roles with the authority to act independently to evolving changes on the ground, but must wait for word from above. Hence we see situations where field grade commissioned officers are on the frontlines directing squad and platoon tactics like Corporals and Sergeants would and dying in the same kind numbers.

That was part of what I read I think, like Putin doesn’t want experienced and competent non-comms because of coup fears.

 

[oggbashan]

That was part of what I read I think, like Putin doesn’t want experienced and competent non-comms because of coup fears.

It has been Russia's and previously the USSR's policy since WW2.

 

[mayfly13]

You are too dumb and misinformed to discuss this subject matter. So I'm not going to oblige until you address the subject, so read the fucking article and educate yourself.

oh, please continue posting about how Russia is losing
and you guys are winning

just like you did a month ago
and the month before that
and how you'll probably do every month from now on


"We brave couch potatos will continue fighting
till the last Ukrainian!"

 

[oggbashan]

The Russians aren't winning. The Ukrainians aren't winning.

Given the long build-up that the Russians had, and the vast disparity in manpower and equipment, the Russians should have won. They had months to prepare, masses of troops and heavy equipment but they failed to take Kyiv and even in the East which separatists had controlled for years, their progress has been painfully slow.

Is it just incompetence, failure to keep their equipment in operating order, reluctance by their special operations force to fight (and some didn't even know they were going to anything but an exercise), or what?

The Russians have been shown to be a paper tiger - apparently invincible but in practice definitely not.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Does vodka factor into that excuse calculus?

They've really back off on the coverage; sounds like stalemate.

 

[mayfly13]

not personal, ogg, because you're not the one doing this -- just a news reader who's passing on what he'd read:

The Russians aren't winning. The Ukrainians aren't winning.
Given the long build-up that the Russians had, and the vast disparity in manpower and equipment, the Russians should have won. They had months to prepare, masses of troops and heavy equipment but they failed to take Kyiv and even in the East
Is it just incompetence, failure to keep their equipment in operating order, reluctance by their special operations force to fight
The Russians have been shown to be a paper tiger - apparently invincible but in practice definitely not.

blah blah blah, crap crap crap....
So.... are Russians giving back the occupied territories?
Is the russification process being stalled or reversed?

what a load of obfuscating British bull....

 

[ishtat]

Putin is now following Stalin's playbook from the 1930's. The Russians have started to set fire to the wheat fields. Stalin starved 5 million Ukrainians to death; Putin seems prepared to do the same. If the Ukrainians have not contemplated assassinating Putin they soon will.

A silver lining: The US wheat crop estimate is up 6% on last year and prices are through the roof.

 

[Rightguide]

That was part of what I read I think, like Putin doesn’t want experienced and competent non-comms because of coup fears.

This condition has been common in the Russian military's history in modern times. The same is true in the militaries of totalitarian regimes who all want to hold all authority close to their chests.

 

[Rightguide]

oh, please continue posting about how Russia is losing
and you guys are winning

just like you did a month ago
and the month before that
and how you'll probably do every month from now on


"We brave couch potatos will continue fighting
till the last Ukrainian!"

Actually, I don't support our level of involvement in the war in Ukraine. I think Europe should do more to support the people in Ukraine. We need to be fully focused on China.

 

[Rightguide]

oh, please continue posting about how Russia is losing
and you guys are winning

just like you did a month ago
and the month before that
and how you'll probably do every month from now on


"We brave couch potatos will continue fighting
till the last Ukrainian!"

We have spent more money in Ukraine than we did in the first five years of Afghanistan:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...-in-the-first-5-years-in-afghanistan-n1611747

 

[oggbashan]

not personal, ogg, because you're not the one doing this -- just a news reader who's passing on what he'd read:



blah blah blah, crap crap crap....
So.... are Russians giving back the occupied territories?
Is the russification process being stalled or reversed?

what a load of obfuscating British bull....

What a load of hatred you continually show.

Russia has been pushed back significantly around Kyiv. It has lost some territory it originally occupied in the East. It has lost Snake Island and some of its Baltic fleet.

But I repeat - neither side is winning, and Russia should have done easily.