Slave belly info?

[chy_girl]

I was tasked by my Sir to speak to one of the local slaves and, during the conversation she mentioned a "slave belly."

Google has seemingly failed to tell the difference between "slave belly" and "slave belly ring." So next step would be to ask my fellow Litsters if any of you know of any resources, books or online, that speak as to what a slave belly is and how to deal with it?

Thanks

 

[Netzach]

Isn't it gorean for your ultrafeminine compulsion to fall at the feet of masculine males within a ten foot radius?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Is it anything like a butch belly? Those tend to hang over your belt.

You can have mine, if you want.

Did she mean; "slave bell?"

 

[chy_girl]

Isn't it gorean for your ultrafeminine compulsion to fall at the feet of masculine males within a ten foot radius?

I'm not gore. I don't even identify as a slave.

Is it anything like a butch belly? Those tend to hang over your belt.

You can have mine, if you want.

Did she mean; "slave bell?"

My dunlop is plenty big, thank you. No extra needed.

Not slave bell, which is what I'd initially thought she said when we were speaking in person. She was talking about a "slave belly" or a "slave heart".

A "true slave" has a place in her "belly" called a slave belly that can not be denied. It is there present most of the time. We wish to serve, it is part of our true being. Knowing who and what you truly are helps to define what comfort and safety you need as a "slave/sub, woman and a person.

 

[the captians wench]

Sounds like a fancy way of saying "feel it in your gut"

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm short slave bellies for July delivery.

 

[Harmony_1985]

I'm a submissive and I have a huge belly.

 

[sb2009]

hmmm....i have a rather large gunt that might be hiding a slave or two, I'll have to check.

 

[satindesire]

I was tasked by my Sir to speak to one of the local slaves and, during the conversation she mentioned a "slave belly."

Google has seemingly failed to tell the difference between "slave belly" and "slave belly ring." So next step would be to ask my fellow Litsters if any of you know of any resources, books or online, that speak as to what a slave belly is and how to deal with it?

Thanks

Is there any way you can ask her what she meant? Or is she just long gone?

 

[chy_girl]

Is there any way you can ask her what she meant? Or is she just long gone?

She explained it well enough, I was just wondering about what others had to say on the subject. Problem being, I can't seem to find anyone who's familiar with the term.

 

[satindesire]

She explained it well enough, I was just wondering about what others had to say on the subject. Problem being, I can't seem to find anyone who's familiar with the term.

I've never heard of it before. :/ Sorry sweetie.

 

[chy_girl]

I've never heard of it before. :/ Sorry sweetie.

Sok. It had to happen eventually.

 

[Kikori]

I'm a submissive and I have a huge belly.

No sad faces. <3 I'd imagine the greater majority of men on this website prefer women who have weight to those who are model-figured. ^_^

As per the "Slave belly" thought, never heard of it 'til now. So, no ideas whatsoever, sadly.

 

[sb2009]

Is english not her native language? Mabye she is from a culture where "belly" is the seat of emotions or something?

 

[chy_girl]

Is english not her native language? Mabye she is from a culture where "belly" is the seat of emotions or something?

She is a native English speaker and the concept that she's talking about is the seat to the emotion/needs of a slave. The overwhelming drive to serve and submit. And from what I've been able to suss out based solely on what she's said it's also the part that, when unmet/unsatisfied, send the pyl spinning.

At this point I figured any plausible theory is worth looking into because I'm getting dizzy.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I was tasked by my Sir to speak to one of the local slaves and, during the conversation she mentioned a "slave belly."

Google has seemingly failed to tell the difference between "slave belly" and "slave belly ring." So next step would be to ask my fellow Litsters if any of you know of any resources, books or online, that speak as to what a slave belly is and how to deal with it?

Thanks

Means you are a slave at your core.

 

[chy_girl]

Means you are a slave at your core.

Is there any other information on it though? Common problems that people with a slave belly have, the psychology behind it, anything?

And what she described as a slave belly resonates strongly with me and it makes sense, but I don't identify as a slave... I identify as a strongly service oriented submissive.

 

[TypicalDeviant]

I'm short slave bellies for July delivery.

I think they're going to drop heavily in price at the end of the month. Sell! Sell! Sell!

 

[Evil_Geoff]

"slave belly" IS a Gorean term, as KC said - Meaing you are a slave at your core.

In non-Gorean terms it is frequently called "having a slave heart."

And regardless of how someone self identifies (bottom, sub slave, Master, Mistress, Top, whatever), I know a slave heart when I see one. I've seen self professed "slaves" who are no more slave than I am. And I have seen "submissives" who would argue till they were blue in the face that they weren't slaves, would never be slaves, hated the term "slave" etc... Fall in surrender and become a slave because it was their heart's path to do so for the right partner.

And I've seen those on the PYL side follow their slave heart as well with the right person...

We haven't communicated in depth enough or long enough for me to get that feeling from you or not chy_girl so I'll not make any judgments regarding where you are, or are not, in your journey. Just keep in mind that many a "service oriented submissive" has proven to be a slave waiting to be comfortable enough in their own skin to accept their slave nature. OR they are waiting for the right person to bring about that surrender.

Hope that helps!

 

[chy_girl]

"slave belly" IS a Gorean term, as KC said - Meaing you are a slave at your core.

In non-Gorean terms it is frequently called "having a slave heart."

And regardless of how someone self identifies (bottom, sub slave, Master, Mistress, Top, whatever), I know a slave heart when I see one. I've seen self professed "slaves" who are no more slave than I am. And I have seen "submissives" who would argue till they were blue in the face that they weren't slaves, would never be slaves, hated the term "slave" etc... Fall in surrender and become a slave because it was their heart's path to do so for the right partner.

And I've seen those on the PYL side follow their slave heart as well with the right person...

We haven't communicated in depth enough or long enough for me to get that feeling from you or not chy_girl so I'll not make any judgments regarding where you are, or are not, in your journey. Just keep in mind that many a "service oriented submissive" has proven to be a slave waiting to be comfortable enough in their own skin to accept their slave nature. OR they are waiting for the right person to bring about that surrender.

Hope that helps!

It helps a great deal, thank you.

While I don't know the slave who made the statement well, she is one of the three people that my Sir specifically sent me to and his judgment I trust. Evidently this slave with 30-some years under her belt has seen this in me. Strongly. I just wish I had a better understanding of it because something is telling me that there is a very likely chance that the slave belly she's talking about is the key to unlocking the doors I keep slamming against in my own submissive little head.

It would be nice to do that before I manage to fuck things up beyond repair.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Ever heard of the expression "Trust your gut." There ya go.

Society conditions us to be repelled by the very notion of slavery practically from birth. But for many, it is the path to emotional safety and security. For them to KNOW without a doubt that they are owned, they have their place, that they are cared for, respected, many times very much loved (not always wanted or needed but for many that's the bond that makes the surrender possible) is the key to freedom to be their true self.

Many times when we struggle against something it is the struggle between our heart's path, and the expectations we put on our selves and the expectations our parents/society put on us. Think of the mental and emotional struggles many gay and lesbian and transsexual people have to go through before they can make peace with who they really are, as opposed to what parents/society say they should be.

Hell, I struggled with years to accept the fact that I AM a sadist. Really. Enjoy the fuck out of inflicting pain, causing fear, etc. In my mind, because of all the years of conditioning "you never hit a woman, you should be a gentleman, it's wrong to hurt people" yada, yada, yada... I was a mess because all my fantasies surrounded kidnapping and torturing women. *sighs*

I was in my mid thirties when I found this lifestyle, and started working my way to self-honesty, healing and wholeness. I hope your journey to inner peace doesn't take you on a ride as long as mine has been.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Society conditions us to be repelled by the very notion of slavery practically from birth.

Can of worms, meet can opener!

This sounds like the "natural law" argument for traditional relations.

 

[JMohegan]

Society conditions us to be repelled by the very notion of slavery practically from birth.

As well it should. We crossed this line roughly 150 years ago, vile practices of the modern underground trade notwithstanding.

It's not my place to tell M/s aficionados what to call themselves. But it seems to me that embracing one's "heart path," in consensual surrender to a specifically chosen "right partner," might be less confusing if the kinky world picked a term that actually fit.

 

[Netzach]

I dunno. I'd take other people's input no matter who they are, with a large grain of salt. Including mine which follows, ha.

I remember getting a talk like this from an M/s slave when I was getting into SM as a very 50/50 switch - about how clearly I'm really a slave at heart I just haven't found the right man yet, or whatever.

I was 23 - I really hate to think that my entire identity was something that another person could pin down in ten seconds when I couldn't do it myself at that point. Somehow, in spite of the switching that I engage in with T - I don't think this "slave heart" is going to waste in some fashion for me. I think *most* people in relationships of smitten adoration will do whatever they humanly can for the other and try anything once that sounds good, and that's what it boils down to, in my case and in his. "Sexually I'd pretty much let you do anything you want to me" is how he said it long ago, and that's pretty much it. I'd let M do the same but it's not him, he is a bottom's bottom for the greatest part.

I'd probably let H do the same, but talk about a slave heart. Having him top me in any capacity other than coaching my walk-to-running or something would be pure HELL for him. Point is, relationships choose their formats to a large extent.

This kind of thing (research being a slave before you think you're not, grasshopper!) royally fucked with my head and kept me from focusing on what I really actually am and wanted in the first place - my own submissives. The community saw that I liked getting hit in the ass with things and everything is a nail when you have a hammer, so please please little Netzie, don't neglect this beautiful tender submissive side of you (oh god) when you look for a partner. (thank God I did)

I like getting hit in the ass with things because my brain works. It's really not a personality test, endorphins are human biology. I've come down on the side of this being one of the most overlooked truths in the community - an elephant in the room, indeed.

Anyhow, nuff about me- I bring this up to point out that other people's perceptions can be un-helpful as often as not, on things like this. This isn't "is chy really a rude asshole or an awesome person" where social consensus kind of works, it's more intimate. We know you're a pyl - but while this may not be fun or popular, I'll venture this: sometimes the shit you keep hitting your head on is, like, there for a reason. Sometimes looking to be a slave if you're a submissive or a submissive if you are a slave is a dire act of shoving a ten inch plug into an ass virgin, it's not happening.

 

[Netzach]

As well it should. We crossed this line roughly 150 years ago, vile practices of the modern underground trade notwithstanding.

It's not my place to tell M/s aficionados what to call themselves. But it seems to me that embracing one's "heart path," in consensual surrender to a specifically chosen "right partner," might be less confusing if the kinky world picked a term that actually fit.

I dunno when we got into the acronym and terminology licking worship thing. The people I hung with after I broke free of the scene aforementioned were very much like "top is top, bottom is bottom, slave is uber kinked to service, what more do you need?"