Sighs…Damned Liberals do it again.

[amicus]

Sighs…Damned Liberals do it again.



Both West Wing and ‘24’ are running marathon showings of each show this week, ‘must watch’ episodes for me as I missed the ‘early years’ in the productions.

Tonight, for you West Wing aficionados, the episode when Toby and Josh have a physical confrontation in the White House, the latter part of the show featured a music back of the Dave Brubeck Quartet, the original quartet, with the absolutely lovely Alto Saxophone of Paul Desmond, the selection was the title song from the 1950’s album, ‘Take Five’, and they played the entire piece.

Not only that, the directors and producers choreographed the dialogue and the action to the music and used an increase and decrease in volume and intensity, at just the right places and made it an entirely enjoyable viewing and listening experience.

The West Wing is a show based on liberal left wing democratic politics, emphasizing the pet projects of the left, gay marriage, stem cell, supreme court pro-action, environmental protection, business and industrial regulation, you name it, they promote and advance it; show after show.

But as several charming foils of the tender gender have noted, Aaron Sorkin and John Wells, writers of the show and the various actors and actresses, do such an excellent job of presenting the issues and the atmosphere of the production, one can hardly fail to admire the effort, politics aside.

But it has cause for concern to me, as I truly appreciate the savoir faire, alacrity, sophistication and all around debonair ambience created by the show.

As I appreciate both the classical and jazz musical selections, the occasional reference to the arts, through opera, sculpture and painting…I also share the concern for esthetic and ethical issues, equality and other political hot button issues such as poverty, education, aging, seniors, housing, jobs and trade agreements.

I learn from watching and listening to the program and also have gained a grudging respect for the sincerity and idealism of those who wrote the scripts, and the actors, who, in the most part, seem not to be just playing a role.

The usual description of the ‘neo cons’, as the honorable opposition proclaims me to be, the rude, crude, gun toting, beer guzzling, Nascar, Nfl, greedy capitalist war monger, with no concern for those in the bottom half of our society, sometimes makes me question just how the left wing managed to grab these issues for themselves.

Rather than check down my own boxers to see if somehow my masculinity shrank away and I somehow transferred to a liberal left wing pussified transvestite, I more likely consider that many if not all of the issues are human issues, not political ones.

There-in lies the rub; and therein the disagreement, not just on this forum, but throughout the political spectrum.

While the issues are indeed human, the methods of implementation remains a matter of force, which should be to all, a matter of ethics and morality.

The left, it seems to me, is eager to abrogate morality when practical issues arrive. They, in general, seem more than ready to restrict and violate the liberties of some for the benefit of others.

I find this morally and ethically reprehensible.

So, to the Left, in general, I do not grant you the high ground of moral and social issues such as providing for the poor and needy. The Right is just as concerned and sincerely so, as the opposition. But the means of implementation of the Right does not permit the use of force to gain the desired end. Rather, it insists on a protection of rights while engaging in a history long combat with poverty, ignorance and disease.

Ah, well…

Thanks for reading…


Amicus…

 

[Couture]

You poor republicons. Life is so unfair isn't it? You hold the white house, the senate, the house, the news media, and the supreme courts. Now you must stamp out those last devilish bastions of liberalness - a fictional TV show and a bunch of scared college professors.

Face it Ami. You good old boys are in charge now... and inflation is up. Gas prices are up. The stock market is down. We've had an "oops, we attacked the wrong country." And just where the hell is Bin Laden? And it ain't the West Wing buddy-ro.

Let's face it. Your boys just aren't good at running the country, and people are starting to get wise to it.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

You poor republicons. Life is so unfair isn't it? You hold the white house, the senate, the house, the news media, and the supreme courts. Now you must stamp out those last devilish bastions of liberalness - a fictional TV show and a bunch of scared college professors.

Face it Ami. You good old boys are in charge now... and inflation is up. Gas prices are up. The stock market is down. We've had an "oops, we attacked the wrong country." And just where the hell is Bin Laden? And it ain't the West Wing buddy-ro.

Let's face it. Your boys just aren't good at running the country, and people are starting to get wise to it.

Too bad they didn't listen to those who were wise to it before it started happening.

 

[amicus]

Couture...my apologies for lacking the clarity I intended.

My intent was to draft a piece that would express my personal sympathies with some of the liberal goals that I tried to define as human goals, not just political.

In spite of Democrat resistance and whining, this administration has achieved the highest job level in history, the highest home ownership in history and a strong and thriving economy.

While the left has bellowed about retaining steel union, auto union, coal union, teachers union jobs and industry; the world movement towards free trade has opened the market to the computer and soft ware service industry and the management industry which somehow, in spite of the left, has created more jobs than have been lost by outsourcing both plants and jobs.

In spite of being dealt a devasting blow by terrorists, less than a year after taking office, this administration has acted to retalitate against the terrorist nations and to actively move against them

In addition to the multiple hurricanes of the past two years, which are not a part of the phoney, 'global warming' scare of the left, somehow, in spite of the left tail wagging, this nation has survived and prospered and will continue to do so.

Liberal Federal Judges are being replaced wholesale in every jurisdiction, Federal controls, restrictions and regulations are being relaxed across the board, freeing the economy and the American people to pursue their own version of happiness without left wing intervention.

The largest tax cuts since the Reagan years are in place and will be made permanent, allowing the market to allocate funds and resources according to supply and demand, not government edict.

Yes, we have most of it under our control and will soon have it all; and for the future of the Nation I hope we can hold it as long as the democrats did in the 30's. 40's and 50's.

You may see a democrat controlled government somewhere after the year 2020, but I hope not, for we need the time to clean the slime of the left from the fabric of the nation.


so much for the palm leaf and the dove...


amicus....

 

[cantdog]

Lies and demagoguery.

 

[Huckleman2000]

...The left, it seems to me, is eager to abrogate morality when practical issues arrive. They, in general, seem more than ready to restrict and violate the liberties of some for the benefit of others.

I find this morally and ethically reprehensible.

So, to the Left, in general, I do not grant you the high ground of moral and social issues such as providing for the poor and needy. The Right is just as concerned and sincerely so, as the opposition. But the means of implementation of the Right does not permit the use of force to gain the desired end. Rather, it insists on a protection of rights while engaging in a history long combat with poverty, ignorance and disease.

Ah, well…

Thanks for reading…
Amicus…

Oh, Ami, you almost had me going there...

I was ready to believe the heart of the Right pumps blood, not piss.

But your characterization of the "means of implementation" as "the use of force", when what you mean is progressive taxation, renders any discussion of fairness or concern for poverty, ignorance, and disease, as useless.

What you mean, in real terms, is "I got mine. The hell with you. Unless, of course, you kiss my ass and assuage any perception that what I got is in any way unfair. Then you can have what I think is fair. But it won't be as much as I have, because I have it because of divine right. If you'd get right with The Right, you'd have it too, but since you don't, you aren't. Or since you aren't, you don't. Whatever. I got it, you don't, and so I get to decide if you deserve it or not."

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

But the means of implementation of the Right does not permit the use of force to gain the desired end. Rather, it insists on a protection of rights while engaging in a history long combat with poverty, ignorance and disease.

Oklahoma City, Anthrax to congressmen, tear gas, nightsticks, and chasing down the street for WTO protestors, mass illegal arrests for RNC protestors, massive cult uprisings against government forces (mass suicide, mass homicide), torture legalized, civil liberties curtailed mostly against the left, organized death threat campaigns against cartoonists, glorifying the murder of homosexuals (to the degree of putting up a statue to honor those who commited the crime), demanding assainations of political rivals, at least two counts of bona fide treason, and of course invasion. And that's just the last 10-15 years or so.

Damn Happy Fun Ball, when you're right, you're right. I gotta admit. Damn lefties. Damn them all to Hell.

 

[Belegon]

this administration has achieved the highest job level in history,

which somehow, in spite of the left, has created more jobs than have been lost

sorry...but cutting one full-time position with benefits so you can hire 3 part-timers without benefits is how this was achieved. A perfect example of how badly statistics can lie. Yes, unemployment is down as a percentage. But so is total compensation. Quick, everybody whose dental coverage includes the phrase "least cost alternative" and has been bit in the ass by it raise your hands. What? you have three jobs but no dental or vision coverage? oh.

and a strong and thriving economy.

this economy is not a sportscar, it's an oil tanker...you know the difference in how quickly they respond to turning the wheel...or hitting the brakes?

In spite of being dealt a devasting blow by terrorists, less than a year after taking office, this administration has acted to retalitate against the terrorist nations and to actively move against them

I'll grant that I felt the actions taken in Afghanistan were completely justified...if a little late. The Taliban had been doing horrific things to their own powerless people for years. But when one of their "guests" did something to us is the only time we took a stand against them. We can debate the wisdom of the US as the world's police force later. What kind of a cop doesn't get involved when the people down the block get robbed and then goes nuts when someone touches his things? That's not being upstanding and moral, it is simply revenge.

In Iraq? How is it justified? Not by WMD's...and don't forget who created Saddam. We did. No, the reason we invaded Iraq is just about down to 1) to clean up our own mess and 2) "But they tried to kill my daddy and I don't like them for that!"

That said, Hussein was a monster. I'm glad he is out of power. Now we need to get our soldiers back home instead of letting them remain targets and pawns in a civil war that is only on delay until we leave.

In addition to the multiple hurricanes of the past two years, which are not a part of the phoney, 'global warming' scare of the left, somehow, in spite of the left tail wagging, this nation has survived and prospered and will continue to do so.

Wake up. The accounting period for this storm season has barely started. We are not "debt-free" just because the credit card company has not mailed us the bill yet.

The largest tax cuts since the Reagan years are in place and will be made permanent

..and yet we are spending massive amounts of our childrens money on foreign policy adventures. The expenditures for the war are staggering. Money that those tax cuts are keeping from being replenished. That budget surplus is long gone Ami, and the national debt is back with a vengence...and the money is not even being spent to fix our own problems or help our own people...

so much for the palm leaf and the dove...
amicus....

this at least is true...this administration has no interest in symbols of peace.

 

[elsol]

The largest tax cuts since the Reagan years are in place and will be made permanent, allowing the market to allocate funds and resources according to supply and demand, not government edict.

Demand being my pocket!

Count of how much money I've given to any disaster relief this year: $0.

I love neo-cons... I'm allowed to be as selfish as I want to be.

I've yet to see the limit of that selfishness so 'YIPPEEE!'

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[amicus]

So what else is new? The left whines and points fingers and criticizes and moans and groans and looks to Hillary, who has no agenda at all, except she has been adding, 'and god bless america...' at the end of her rants...

The left is dead from lack of interest.

thank you...

amicus...

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Rather than check down my own boxers to see if somehow my masculinity shrank away and I somehow transferred to a liberal left wing pussified transvestite, I more likely consider that many if not all of the issues are human issues, not political ones.

Friends - as far as I can tell, Amicus is the only one at Lit who uses the word "pussy" or "transvestite" to describe something negative. What can we learn from this?

Not even our beloved gay guys show any disrespect for the genitalia they're not interested in, but Amicus does.

Now, I ask you: is this because he looks down on women, or because he feels he doesn't have to be respectful since no woman would ever go near him and his prejudiced views anyway..?

 

[elsol]

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Now, I ask you: is this because he looks down on women, or because he feels he doesn't have to be respectful since no woman would ever go near him and his prejudiced views anyway..?

I thought there was no longer a question about this.


From Amicus DIRECTLY:

Let me put this in simple terms. I am a racist and a bigot and a misogynist, I have and function from predjudice, pre-judging people according to race, gender and ethnicity.

It's not that he looks down or doesn't think one will go near... he's a misogynist.

HIS WORDS... not mine.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[amicus]

Not that it matters...but in this country, our version of english, to be a pussy, a whuss, a wimp has become a colloquialism meaning that a person is acting like an emotional, hysterical female.

Now I know our feminazi's here would never accept that description as they all jump out of bed into spiked boots and hiphugger blue jeans without touching the pant legs and roar off into battle sword in hand.

And while you may describe what I said about my own 'gender bias and prejudice', I do not really 'hate' women....hmmm well...

Just the opposite in fact, I rather love femininity in general and all, not some of my best friends are women.

Do I expect them to be more emotional than men? Do I expect them to be more sensitive to most things than men? Do I expect them to be more empathetic than men?

Yes, I do and they are.

Of course, there are always exceptions.

A large point, apparently not well made, was that bias and prejudice is both normal and natural and in many ways expresses common sense for those that have no other tools with which to make decisions and judgments.

I can understand the left wing guru's wide eyed with hands raised and fingers spread in horror that anyone would have the audacity to speak the truth.

It is okay to be bias and prejudiced. It is not a moral or mortal sin that will send you to redneck purgatory.

You can hate neocons all you want, you can be biased and prejudicial against those of us who function with reason and logic.

(Amicus, showing compassion, gently pats a sobbing liberal on the head)

(edited for a contradiction, I did claim to be misogynistic, oops)

hoisted by my own petard

 

[dr_mabeuse]

The right's approach to solving social ills may be as well-intentioned as Ami says. The problem is, that to the outside observer, their concern and good intentions are indistinguishable from good old-fashioned selfishness and greedy self-interest.

Barbara Bush honestly believed that those displaced people in the Astrodome were better off now that their scandalous houses had washed away. She probably thinks that shiny new ones will magically appear for them, like they always do for her.

Remember Geroge Senior at that campaign stop at a supermarket where he was amazed to discover that a loaf of bread costs more than a dollar? He'd never seen a price scanner in his life, and the idea of cash seemed to bewilder him. "You mean people actually use this dirty paper stuff to buy things? Don't they have credit cards? Don't they have people to buy it for them?"

 

[elsol]

And while you may describe what I said about my own 'gender bias and prejudice', I did not state that I hated women or was anything near a misognyist.

ElSol officially calls 'BULLSHIT!'

The quote was from your post... check it for yourself if you've forgotten.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=376392&page=2&pp=25

So it was written by Amicus... so let it be done.

A large point, apparently not well made, was that bias and prejudice is both normal and natural and in many ways expresses common sense for those that have no other tools with which to make decisions and judgments.

I'm cool, dude.

You don't have to justify your bigotry, prejudice and misoginy to me... I've heard ALLLLL the excuses, reasons, and rationalizations.

It is okay to be bias and prejudiced. It is not a moral or mortal sin that will send you to redneck purgatory.

Does this make you feel better?

I mean sort of like insurance and corporate thieves say 'It's okay, I'm not stealing it from a PERSON. It's just a corporation... they won't miss it!'

You can hate neocons all you want, you can be biased and prejudicial against those of us who function with reason and logic.

(Amicus, showing compassion, gently pats a sobbing liberal on the head)

*clap*clap*

Say can I borrow your white sheet with the holes in it?

My friends would just DIE if I came to the Halloween party wearing it.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[elsol]

The right's approach to solving social ills may be as well-intentioned as Ami says. The problem is, that to the outside observer, their concern and good intentions are indistinguishable from good old-fashioned selfishness and greedy self-interest.

Uh.... dr. mab... uh... hmmm... how to put this.

It's the same thing... I copped to it above.

'Yeah... let private charities handle this... *snicker*... gee, I will GLADLY give a couple hundred to my favorite charity (me) to get back a couple of thousand!"

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[amicus]

"...The right's approach to solving social ills may be as well-intentioned as Ami says. The problem is, that to the outside observer, their concern and good intentions are indistinguishable from good old-fashioned selfishness and greedy self-interest..."

Dr. Mab makes a rather tongue in cheek or offhand compliment, but it is better than none at all.

The rational approach to solving social ills is one that solves the problem and yet maintains the dignity and self esteem of those who are helped.

Left wing welfare programs for the poor and needy simply act to convince the recipients that they truly are poor and needy and 'deserve' to be helped by others more fortunate.

There seems to be a sociological unstated assumption in the liberal thought process, that the poor are created by the rich and are thus responsible for them.

There is a marxist ideological assumption, also usually unstated, that capitalism, the free market system, uses the masses to create wealth, which is then hoarded and squandered by the rich.

Neither is true.

Wealth is not the gold or the diamonds buried for millions of years in the deep rocks of South Africa. Wealth is the 'idea' to search for the gold and diamonds, (read fiction novelist Wilbur Smith); wealth is the energy and dedication to form a company to mine the gold and diamonds; wealth is the creation of jobs to mine, transport, refine, market and distribute the gold and diamonds.

The same is true with the petroleum, black gold, that bubbled out of the Pennsylvania swamps since time immemorial. Natives drank it as a curative and rubbed in on their skins to cure lesions.

Wealth is the investigation that discovered refined petroleum could replace whale oil as lamp fuel.

Still not a simple process as the 'whale oil industry' became very upset at the 'kerosene' industry for replacing them. The 'Liberals' of that day, tried to prevent the development of the oil industry then, just as they try to stop industrial progress through the use of machines and robots today.

Wealth is the product of unfettered human ingenuity, produced and nourished by the political freedom the Constitution of the United States enacted and enforced.

If you are truly concerned about the poor and needy in this or any society, get government off their backs. Work to your utmost to support freedom and free enterprise and resist with all your energy to prevent those who support a welfare concept from taxing the rich to support the poor.

If you are female and wish to express the emotion of appreciation for freedom, go kiss a nuclear reactor or an oil refinery.

ciao

amicus...(always leave 'em laughing)

 

[elsol]

Wealth is the product of unfettered human ingenuity, produced and nourished by the political freedom the Constitution of the United States enacted and enforced.

I especially like the part where more technilogically advanced foreigners come in and kill off, enslave, and generally steal anything that isn't nailed from the natives.

But I think I mentioned that before.

God... for the freedom of the 'GOOD 'ole days'; personally I think it's unfair that I can't do that shit no more!

Technologically advanced foreigners get all the fun!

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Subo97]

pssst....it's not real

 

[CharleyH]

Rather than check down my own boxers to see if somehow my masculinity shrank away and I somehow transferred to a liberal left wing pussified transvestite, I more likely consider that many if not all of the issues are human issues, not political ones.

There-in lies the rub; and therein the disagreement, not just on this forum, but throughout the political spectrum.

While the issues are indeed human, the methods of implementation remains a matter of force, which should be to all, a matter of ethics and morality.

The left, it seems to me, is eager to abrogate morality when practical issues arrive. They, in general, seem more than ready to restrict and violate the liberties of some for the benefit of others.

I find this morally and ethically reprehensible.

So, to the Left, in general, I do not grant you the high ground of moral and social issues such as providing for the poor and needy. The Right is just as concerned and sincerely so, as the opposition. But the means of implementation of the Right does not permit the use of force to gain the desired end. Rather, it insists on a protection of rights while engaging in a history long combat with poverty, ignorance and disease.

Ah, well…

Thanks for reading…


Amicus…

First of all boxers are a kind of left wing semiotic stance And what? A right wing stance saves you LOL masculinity if there is such a thing outside of cultural construct.

All political issues are culturally individual, though I understand what you are speaking. Have you never worked in government, though? Shall I disillusion you and everyone else?

 

[CharleyH]

Here is a question. Why should I pay taxes to a government I do not believe in, that I did not elect, and who does not put money where I want? Why am I jailed for not paying taxes on this basis?

 

[LadyJeanne]

Here is a question. Why should I pay taxes to a government I do not believe in, that I did not elect, and who does not put money where I want? Why am I jailed for not paying taxes on this basis?

Because you are a citizen of that country and are required to abide by its laws, as is everyone else.

 

[SeaCat]

The Rednecked Cockroach will abstain from commenting on this thread.
(I have better Windmills to Tilt at tonight.)

Cat

 

[Liar]

pssst....it's not real

What is not real? West Wing? Liberals? The constitution? Amicus?

 

[mack_the_knife]

pssst....it's not real

And that just chaps their hides, too.