Should we bring back corporal punishment in schools?

[SeaDaddy1]

Do you think the significant increase of violent behavior in schools the past 2 or 3 decades has anything to do with the removal of physical discipline, not physical abuse?

 

[1sickbastard]

Corporal punishments aren't a cure-all. For some students, it works, for others, not so much.

The big thing is to have an enforceable discipline that is administered fairly and consistently, which has to include the removal of students who are persistently disruptive.

 

[bronzeage]

To whom will you grant authority to beat your child?

Will you grant this authority all the way up to their high school graduation?

If not, what is the age cut off?

If you can answer these questions on the practice, we can move to the specifics of cane vs. bare hand, and bare ass vs. clothed.

 

[Sean]

Why would you approve of anyone assaulting your child?

 

[Saint Peter]

Why would you approve of anyone assaulting your child?

Because the little fucker asked for it?

 

[killallhippies]

i can't vote. there's no option in your poll for "fuck no and you're stupid for even asking".

 

[RjThoughts]

How about if the child does something wrong, the PARENTS are spanked?

 

[richard_daily]

Do you think the significant increase of violent behavior in schools the past 2 or 3 decades has anything to do with the removal of physical discipline, not physical abuse?

Nah, it has to do with right wingers.

Bring back corporal punishment of right wingers.

 

[lovetoread]

How about if the child does something wrong, the PARENTS are spanked?

I'm ok with this.

 

[richard_daily]

I'm ok with this.

Bring back corporal punishment for lovetoread.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are these people ready to defend themselves if a 16 y/o boy decides in between licks he just isn't going to put up with being hit and decks the admin official dishing out the whipping? Would you blame him?

Army has it figured out......PT them until they fucking die, an exhausted student is a well behaved student, put a nice dent in our little fatty problem in the process. Every day begins with rigorous exercises and a 5 mi run.

 

[hobbit.]

I voted 'no'

I believe that capital punishment should be introduced in schools, on a fair basis though. It would apply to staff and pupils alike.

 

[eyer]

I was paddled twice in school...

...the first corporal punishment was received for fighting: I had moved from southern California to the midwest before 6th grade started, and then moved again after the 1st semester of 6th grade to a new school for the 2nd semester. Before long, a 5th grade girl got the hots for me, but I didn't feel likewise. Her brother was in a different 6th grade class than I, and he was somehow offended that the new guy from California obviously felt superior to his little sister - so he confronted me about it one day at recess. I don't remember how many swats both of us got from the male principal.

My only other corporal punishment came the next year in 7th grade: I was amid a crowd of students in a stairwell rushing between classes when I hit the light switch off just before I exited...

...unfortunately, the assistant basketball coach was right behind me. I wrestled, and he told me on the way to the office that if I played for him, he would just take it out of me in practice; instead, the male asst principal gave me 3 whacks.

The only other time I've been paddled is during fraternally gay Hell Week activities (nothing sexual, deviants - having to chug a full pitcher of egg yolks also seemed pretty gay to me).

In all, corporate punishment was truly meaningless to me...

...so I can easily imagine how much more meaningless it must be to the naturally malicious.

 

[AvgGuy01]

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[warrior queen]

Dicipline starts at home where parents should give a shit about parenting

Parents who have unruly children, but still care enough about them to use non-violent means to discipline, still get vilified on here.
There is no right answer to this question on lit.
Why would anyone even ask it?

 

[hobbit.]

Parents who have unruly children, but still care enough about them to use non-violent means to discipline, still get vilified on here.
There is no right answer to this question on lit.
Why would anyone even ask it?

sheer stupidity probably.

 

[Liar]

How about we first determine whether or not SeaDaddy1 is talking out of his ass when he talks about "the significant increase of violent behavior in schools the past 2 or 3 decades", before we begin to take his suggested solution even half seriously?

Real data, not anectdotes from your schoolyard.

 

[Liar]

physical discipline, not physical abuse

...and what's the difference? The velocity of the cane?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

How about we first determine whether or not SeaDaddy1 is talking out of his ass when he talks about "the significant increase of violent behavior in schools the past 2 or 3 decades", before we begin to take his suggested solution even half seriously?

Real data, not anectdotes from your schoolyard.

There's nothing out there to back up his claim.

 

[Lancecastor]

Waterboard the little fuckers.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

How about we first determine whether or not SeaDaddy1 is talking out of his ass when he talks about "the significant increase of violent behavior in schools the past 2 or 3 decades", before we begin to take his suggested solution even half seriously?

Real data, not anectdotes from your schoolyard.

...and what's the difference? The velocity of the cane?

There's nothing out there to back up his claim.

I don't recall anyone shooting up schools or students killing other students when I was in school.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

To whom will you grant authority to beat your child?

Will you grant this authority all the way up to their high school graduation?

If not, what is the age cut off?

If you can answer these questions on the practice, we can move to the specifics of cane vs. bare hand, and bare ass vs. clothed.

Good questions all. Back in my day, I think the limit was 3 hits with a paddle. It depended on the rules in place and the severity of the situation. In my school(s), there had to be at least one other teacher present as a witness. Teachers were not allowed to paddle a student of the opposite sex. I don't remember any girls getting paddled. I think about the 8th grade in my town/county, there had to be signed parental consent and almost all parents agreed with it. Detention or suspension were always alternate choices. I'm sure it was different in metro schools.

My parents agreed with limited corporal punishment as a disciplinary action because there were no known abusive, sadistic teachers that took satisfaction in abusing students in my neck of the woods. Back then, most kids my age chose the paddling because it was quick and we didn't want to suffer the embarrassment of detention or suspension.

Here's an interesting site that's documented corporal punishment in school's throughout the world: http://www.corpun.com/

I'm willing to grant authority to Laurel to paddle me in private. (That's a joke for the ones here w/no sense of humor.)

 

[dirtwrench]

I don't recall any teachers/school administrators I would have allowed to use physical discipline on my kids when they were in school. However, that is NOT what I told my boys. I told them that their teacher had my permission to beat their ass red before calling me- and that the beating form the teacher would be mild compared to what I would do.

That worked until about the third or fourth grade...

Now I do recall a few teachers I wouldn't have minded bending over to give some "punishment."

And yes, it's true- physical punishment does not work on all kids. Neither does "time out" or any other type of behavior modification. Each person is diferent.

 

[Riles]

I'm undecided. There are to many unknowns to say either way, other than I highly dislike the idea of someone touching my child. At home our rule is that you are told once not to/to do something. A second time is backed up with a punishment befitting the 'crime'. Sometimes that is a time out, sometimes it's a whack on the butt, grounding, removal of privileges, etc. Age plays a big factor in this. We follow the same structure for school and maintain daily communication with teachers on behaviour.

 

[warrior queen]

Children these days learn very quickly that there is no authority that has any power outside of parents.
From the very first day at childcare or pre-school, they learn that none of the teachers are allowed to say the words 'no, don't, stop, wrong'. They get time-out punishments.... in a corner of a room filled with other children and plenty of stimulation (kinda defeats the purpose).
Then, when they progress through to upper primary, invariably they learn that it is illegal for their parents to smack them.
Once in high school, they learn that the worst that can happen if they play up is they get suspended or expelled - which becomes a badge of honour among their peers.
Then later, as a juvenile offender, the most they can expect is a slap on the wrist and their record sealed at 18.
Where's the deterrent?