Should the U.S.A. get out of the U.N.?

[SINthysist]

I see the bad guys of the world hiding behind lawyers when the cops come for them. Is that what you mean?

 

[Lost Cause]

Strength through Appeasement...

Give one example anywhere that appeasement has worked and prevented millions from being slaughtered by an aggressor. Just one? Germany? Cambodia? Africa? Japan? China? Soviet Union? France? Italy? Croatia? Bosnia? Kuwait? Iran?

The U.N. is a tired version of the League of Nations. Can you say obsolete?

 

[bluespoke]

(Celtic or Rangers for the cup?)

With Blue in my nick, you ask this question?

Rangers for both cups and the league!

 

[SINthysist]

Cherokee tried appeasement...

Now Saddam's trying too!

 

[Azwed]

I love how most of the people who bash the UN do not even have the slightest clue about how the UN works.

They call it weak but choose to forget that since it is made up of member states it can only have as much power as those states give it. The US is the most powerful member of the UN and therefore shares most of the blame for the UN being weak.

The UN was created to serve our interests. Thats one of the reasons we wanted the headquarters on our soil so we could get information from the UN more easily. Much easier to spy on diplomats when they live in your country.

The UN needs to be reformed but the US does not need to pull out of the UN. If we were to pull out of the UN Germany and Japan would just take up the slack that we left behind and would become more powerful. Germany and Japan have already done this in the UN committies that the US has abandoned like UNESCO.

 

[Nobby Stiles]

With Blue in my nick, you ask this question?

Rangers for both cups and the league!

UP THE GERS

HELLO, HELLO, HOW DO YOU DO.

WE ARE THE BOYS IN ROYAL BLUE.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Ummm are we forgetting

that Australia has started to send troops over also to aid the USA. There are countries that support us. Some are on the fence and other countries are just too chicken to make a stand. If you think about it France didn't make a stand in WWII look what happened to them then.

If we were talking about leaders that played the same way we did then that would be a different story. We are talking about a culture that reacts differently. More so through force and now developing and contemplating on chemical warfar. If I am mistaken wasn't chemical warfar band way back when by the League of Nation first and then the UN. Why didn't they go after Sadam for all of this over ten years ago. Perhaps I am ignorant and they did but why was he allowed to still be in charge. In my own opinion he is a sick individual out on a power trip. He is leading through fear. As a woman I cannot support his actions to the way they are treated in some of those countries. Not all mind you but the drips and draps I have heard about.

Peace,
Tulip

 

[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

It's about fawking time that we made that clear to them because they're just not getting the message that this is a post-1776 world and that they are no longer the "masters" of the world nor the paragons of virtue and righteousness.

When the UN is more about free-thinking peoples and less about normalizing the concept of tyranny then I'll begin to give a flying fuck as to what the world community thinks.

It's why most of us left and came here you fawking dolts!

I'm always amazed that some Americans actually believe that land of the free, revolutionary war bullshit. This county was, in its inception, all about tyranny and trafficking in human bondage. Post 1776 America was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany.

 

[Gil_Favor]

I'm always amazed that some Americans actually believe that land of the free, revolutionary war bullshit. This county was, in its inception, all about tyranny and trafficking in human bondage. Post 1776 America was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany.

Your an idiot.......

 

[Guest]

 

[busybody..]

How can the UN be taken as a serious

orginization when......

Libya is the Pres of the Human Rights Commission and the US is banned?

Iraq is the Pres of the Disarmament Commission?


Soldiers of the UN stood by when Muslims were killed in Kosivo?


The reason given is that it was their turn!!! The same reason Adolph Eichman gave for his crimes....."I was doing my job!"......

 

[Myrrdin]

Anyone care to work some figures out?
a) How much America is spending on the Iraqi invasion plan.
b) How much America owes in payments to the UN for peacekeeping, famine relief etc.

 

[Guest]

 

[busybody..]

Anyone care to work some figures out?
a) How much America is spending on the Iraqi invasion plan.
b) How much America owes in payments to the UN for peacekeeping, famine relief etc.

Your point is?

 

[Coolville]

Anyone care to work some figures out?
a) How much America is spending on the Iraqi invasion plan.
b) How much America owes in payments to the UN for peacekeeping, famine relief etc.

Don't hold your breath. These rednecks can't count when their testostorone levels are off the scale. They get wacky at the smell of civilian blood in the morning.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Myrrdin


How much America owes in payments to the UN for peacekeeping, famine relief etc.

you have that backwards it is how much the U.N. owes Amercia in back payments we keep footing thhe bill

at last count it was over 1,368,934,023 dollars (Amercian dollars)

 

[Don K Dyck]

Which Regime Should be Changed??

They slaughter each other.

What's the big diff?

Why do countries at each other's throats historically,

France-Germany
Pakistan-India
there are more - Ishmael has been patiently presenting them to us in minute detail ...,

get off on telling us NOT TO USE FORCE TO GET OUR WAY!

Hypocrits, hypocrits one and all...

Hi SIN . . . you seem to be saying that it's OK for the U$ to be at war with everyone else because they are "foreigners" and not Americans . . . could that be just a little tinsy whinsy bit xenophobic??

I mean . . . an American can't go overseas without running into all those damned foreigners . . . that's why there has to be a CocoaCola stand on every corner and MacDonald's in every street . . . to make the homesick Americans feel right at home even though they are in Europe, South America or Darkest Africa . . .

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Re: Which Regime Should be Changed??

Hi SIN . . . you seem to be saying that it's OK for the U$ to be at war with everyone else because they are "foreigners" and not Americans . . . could that be just a little tinsy whinsy bit xenophobic??

I mean . . . an American can't go overseas without running into all those damned foreigners . . . that's why there has to be a CocoaCola stand on every corner and MacDonald's in every street . . . to make the homesick Americans feel right at home even though they are in Europe, South America or Darkest Africa . . .

Hugs and missed ya Don.

Ok about the coca cola stand and the McDonald's I find it to be that the locals of those countries seem to enjoy the food more than the Americans visiting. I can only speak for myself but when I was abroad and in your neck of the woods I tried to avoid such places. It seemed that the natives insisted on taken me there because they wanted it.

OK continue on with the debating.

Peace,
Tulip

 

[mbb308]

Re: A classic example....

The axis of weasels, France/Germany/Russia, forget the thousands of Americans that died to liberate them from oppression, and I for one will never forget this ungrateful display by those pathetic bastards.

I agree with the sentiment, but I must differ with the facts. The former USSR, with nearly 8.5 million war dead, absorbed the brunt of the Wermacht juggernaut, and repulsed it, and won. I agree that the US won the war in the Pacific pretty much single-handedly, and I think the Russians, who held out for three years before continental Europe was invaded by the West, can take credit for having won the war in Europe. The entire North Africa campaign, Operation Torch, where huge geographically, was no larger than the battle of Stalingrad.

Russia earned her veto.

The French forfeited theirs five years before the UN was even formed.

I can understand the German reluctance based on their 20th century history.

 

[The Heretic]

I voted no - but on a related topic, I would like to see France get kicked out of NATO. What assholes! Sheesh!

 

[Azwed]

I voted no - but on a related topic, I would like to see France get kicked out of NATO. What assholes! Sheesh!

at least remove their veto power its not like they are a real world power anymore and weren't much of one at the end of WWII.

 

[Lost Cause]

Boortz says,

The United Nations was designed to be, has operated as, and stands today as a fundamentally anti-American institution. Since its inception, the taxpayers of the United States have been paying the lion's share of U.N. operating costs while Third World nations have used it as a sounding board for their Yankee-go-home rhetoric.

Here's a few "betcha didn't know that" facts to chew on.

When the United Nations was formed, every single member nation got one, and only one vote in the United Nations General Assembly. Every single member nation that is, except one. That one nation was the Soviet Union. The USSR got three votes.

No single member nation is allowed to have more than one citizen sitting as a justice on the United Nations World Court at any one time – except, that is, the Soviet Union. Until the USSR dissolved, they were allowed to have three citizens sitting on the World Court.

Are you getting the picture here? From its very inception, the United Nations was designed to give the Soviet Union a greater voice in the General Assembly, and stronger representation on the World Court than the United States.

In late 1999, Bill Clinton held a little ceremony at the White House. The purpose of this gathering was to honor the greatest document in support of freedom in the history of civilization. So … which document do you think that Clinton chose to honor? The Declaration of Independence? Nope. How about the Constitution of the United States? Wrong again. OK, then, it must have been the Magna Carta. Sorry, you're out of guesses.

Clinton's affections were bestowed upon the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights – a document completely unknown in any detail to all but a handful of Americans.

So, just what do we get from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Well, for starters we get the "right to live, liberty and security of person." So far, so good. We also get the "right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law."

We are generously given "the right to own property" and "the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." There's also the "right to freedom of opinion and expression" and "the right to peaceful assembly and association."

It all sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Pretty good until you reach Article 29 (3), which reads: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

So, there you have it. Your right to live, your right to liberty, your right to own property and to think as you please, your right to express your opinions and to gather peacefully with others are all gone … eliminated … if your exercise of those rights places you at odds with the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

We can rewrite the entire human-rights declaration in one sentence. "You folks are pretty much free to do what you want to do unless it interferes with what the government is trying to do." And this is the document that Bill Clinton hailed as the greatest document in the history of free men.

If you're still enamored of the United Nations – if you still think that our president simply must get the stamp of approval from the U.N. before he can act in what he believes to be the best interests of the United States – then consider this: Several years ago, the United Nations removed the United States from the Human Rights Commission and replaced us with … Syria.

In a few months, the United Nations is going to crank up a conference on disarmament. There will be two countries chairing this conference. One country will be Iran. The other country co-chairing the disarmament conference? Iraq.

So, tell me. Do you still want to submit our national interests to the veto of the United Nations?


*Throw out the trash!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Boortz says,

Clinton's affections were bestowed upon the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights – a document completely unknown in any detail to all but a handful of Americans.

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So, just what do we get from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Well, for starters we get the "right to live, liberty and security of person." So far, so good. We also get the "right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law."

We are generously given "the right to own property" and "the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." There's also the "right to freedom of opinion and expression" and "the right to peaceful assembly and association."

It all sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Pretty good until you reach Article 29 (3), which reads: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

So, there you have it. Your right to live, your right to liberty, your right to own property and to think as you please, your right to express your opinions and to gather peacefully with others are all gone … eliminated … if your exercise of those rights places you at odds with the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

***

We can rewrite the entire human-rights declaration in one sentence. "You folks are pretty much free to do what you want to do unless it interferes with what the government is trying to do." And this is the document that Bill Clinton hailed as the greatest document in the history of free men.

Hi LC . . . my, you have excelled in xenophobia this morning . . . pity that the U$ education system spends more time reciting the list of Presidents than learning about international geography . . . perhaps you and many other Americans did not realise that there is a big world just off the coast of continental USA . . . so big, in fact, that it does considerable business without worrying about what is happening within the U$ . . . except when U$ imperialism becomes so blatant . . .

PR China does not want your U$-Iraq Imperialist Oil War . . . China has an economy growing at 8% per year and needs its own fuel supplies . . . and they have the army to defend their interests . . . remember Korea in the 50s? The present count on the UN Security Council is 4 madmen for war and 11 statesmen for peace, including 3 vetoes (PR China, France, Russia)

You may be interested to know that 91% of Spaniards do NOT support a U$-Iraq Imperialist War for Control of Undeveloped Middle Eastern oil reserves that will supply the wasteful U$ market for about 40 years at present rates of consumption . . . check the link . . .

CHINA JOINS ANTI-WAR PUSH

Pity that the appointed President has enacted the inappropriately named Patriot Act and Home Defense Act, thus wiping away the rights to traditional freedoms enjoyed by American citizens and contained in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights . . . but even freedom has a price in the best democracy (oil) money can buy . . .