Shitty Pretti deserved it

[Lazaran]

The country's top expert in the law of self-defense weighs in. The firearm matters—and the media is hiding it. At the Minneapolis Border Patrol shooting, the suspect was armed with a SIG Sauer P320 AXG Combat, a high-capacity 9mm pistol with a threaded barrel, an extended 20–21 round magazine, and a SIG Romeo optic—a setup costing $1,500–$2,000. This was not a cheap carry gun.
Officers were in a physical struggle with an armed suspect when a gun was perceived, and the word “gun” was shouted. Under settled self-defense law, officers are entitled to rely on fellow officers’ reasonable perceptions. They do not have to personally confirm the threat.
Once a firearm appears during active resistance, the legal standard is simple: reasonable perception of imminent deadly force. That standard was met here. Freeze-frame activism doesn’t override real-time dynamics, and the law does not require officers to wait to be shot. This was a tragic—but lawful—use of force.

Cite.



Racist5soul aka Shit4brains



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Rebel5soul]

"Boom, boom, boom, out go the lights."

 

[ll74]

"Boom, boom, boom, out go the lights."

He's wrong. The justification for the troops being there was bullshit. The escalation was unnecessary. The reaction by Pretti was defensive.

 

[Rebel5soul]

He's wrong. The justification for the troops being there was bullshit. The escalation was unnecessary. The reaction by Pretti was defensive.

Take your opinion and shove it where the Sun don't shine.

 

[Hel_Books]

the word “gun” was shouted.

See how this works? One shouts "gun", and maybe there is a gun, maybe there isn't, maybe it's being carried legally and is safely in a holster, maybe he just saw a cell phone and "thought" he saw a gun.

Then another, hearing the word "gun" uses that as an excuse to open fire on someone who isn't threatening anyone with deadly force.

The first one maybe "made an error" but you can't blame him, the situation was "complicated" and he had to "make a quick decision."

The second one maybe "made an error" but you can't blame him, the situation was "complicated" and he had to "make a quick decision."

Teamwork makes the dream work!

 

[ll74]

Take your opinion and shove it where the Sun don't shine.

Same to you

 

[Hel_Books]

Looked for trouble

Found IT

ICE is just grasping at straws, pretending they have "reasons" for killing and maiming people. For example:

A Mexican immigrant was taken to a Minneapolis hospital earlier this month after bones in his face and skull were broken while he was in federal custody.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents initially claimed Alberto Castañeda Mondragón had tried to flee while handcuffed and “purposefully ran headfirst into a brick wall,” according to court documents filed by a lawyer seeking his release.

But staff members at Hennepin County Medical Center determined that could not possibly account for the fractures and bleeding throughout the man’s 31-year-old’s brain, said three nurses familiar with the case. . . .

ICE officers have entered the hospital with seriously injured detainees and stayed at their bedside day after day, staffers said. The crackdown has been unsettling to hospital employees, who said ICE agents have been seen loitering on hospital grounds and asking patients and employees for proof of citizenship.

Hospital staff members said they were uncomfortable with the presence of armed agents they did not trust and who appeared to be untrained.

The nurses interviewed by AP said they felt intimidated by ICE’s presence in the critical care unit and had even been told to avoid a certain bathroom to minimize encounters with officers. They said staff members are using an encrypted messaging app to compare notes and share information out of fear that the government might be monitoring their communications. . . .

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

i wonder thought

what if it was a wrestler or a mma fighter or martial artist or a boxer that did that

 

[MrMikelobe1952]

I had intented to respond sooner. Lets see if we have any areas of agreement. I always hope that this approach can lower the level of hostility.

True, Mn doesn't prohibit guns at rallies/protests/strikes. But then Pretti got deaders for being a dipwad with a gun in public.

I'm not quite sure I understand your point, here. Are you suggesting that there should be some sort of political or personality test before people are allowed to carry guns? Or are there just some people who can legally carry guns but can be shot for doing so?

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You are allowed to say that you hate guns. Especially since it's true because you put so many conditions on gun ownership that it's very apparent that you hate guns.

Me? I think semi-automatic weapons should be banned.
I am trying to respond to you as an individual with your own opinions who thinks for himself. Please do not assume that I hold all opinions that you disagree with.

ICE isn't "grabbing people off the street." That you even repeat that lie shows that you're invested in the narrative and not the truth.

So, you think, this is fake news?

After practicing law for 30 years, I'm good with what ICE is doing. Why? Because they have arrest warrants for the target subject.

This is one area for potential agreement. I agree that arrest warrants should be required. This is one of the provisions of the Democrats bill to fund ICE, that judicial warrants should be required. Would you support this bill?

And if they find other illegal immigrants keeping company with the target subject, they can scoop them up too.

And of course, when dipwads with guns show up to spit on the agents, break Federal property, and generally act like an out of control lunatic, when ICE scoops them up, I'm good with that too. I'm even more good with ICE defending themselves from insane people trying to kill or maim them.

You've shared videos of spitting and kicking a car. Do you have evidence of someone trying to kill or maim?

You know what I'm not good with? People who lie about what's going on in order to push a fake narrative of lawlessness and crime by the good guys who are just trying to do their jobs.

This is probably now realistic, but I get my news from organizations that have been reporting the news for decades. Do they always get it right? Of course not. But they do seem to try to follow certain minimum standards of fact-checking.

 

[HisArpy]

I had intented to respond sooner. Lets see if we have any areas of agreement. I always hope that this approach can lower the level of hostility.

I'm not quite sure I understand your point, here. Are you suggesting that there should be some sort of political or personality test before people are allowed to carry guns? Or are there just some people who can legally carry guns but can be shot for doing so?

The State has always used a political litmus test to determine whether the people may arm themselves. The British literally kicked off the US War of Independence because they tried to disarm the citizens.

Then there are laws against riding for affray (basically anything the government doesn't like), laws which disarms minorities (blacks in the south and Asians in California), gun permitting systems which are only granted to donors of a certain political class after they donate to the issuing agency's officials, and more.

Me? I think semi-automatic weapons should be banned.
I am trying to respond to you as an individual with your own opinions who thinks for himself. Please do not assume that I hold all opinions that you disagree with.

If you believe even ONE "arm" should be banned, then EVERY opinion you hold is one I disagree with.

So, you think, this is fake news?

The video shows what it shows. What it doesn't show is whatever happened that didn't make into the propaganda clip you linked.

This is one area for potential agreement. I agree that arrest warrants should be required. This is one of the provisions of the Democrats bill to fund ICE, that judicial warrants should be required. Would you support this bill?

Your idea is stupid. For multiple reasons.

1. Law enforcement enforces the law as violations happen. If you require law enforcement to witness a violation and then have to seek a warrant to arrest the perpetrator, what you've done is hamstrung law enforcement and prevented them from enforcing the law.

2. EVERY deportation order is a judicial warrant. It's an order, signed by a judge, ordering law enforcement to arrest, detain, and deport the person named in the order. Requiring an additional judicial order/warrant is both unnecessary and a waste of time and judicial resources.

You've shared videos of spitting and kicking a car. Do you have evidence of someone trying to kill or maim?

Renee Good attempted to run over an ICE agent. This is current video. If you're not aware of it, or you're one of those who deny what you see with your own eyes, then that's on you.

Mn also has a SPECIFIC law which makes it a felony to attempt to run over a cop. Ask yourself why a SPECIFIC law had to be written if it never happens.

And of course there's that ICE agent who had his finger bitten off.

Yet unsurprisingly, you're "unaware" of those things. Which means you're either fuckwit or you're a liar.

This is probably now realistic, but I get my news from organizations that have been reporting the news for decades. Do they always get it right? Of course not. But they do seem to try to follow certain minimum standards of fact-checking.

Right. That's why we're learning now that all those media sources you listen to were LYING TO YOU, and everyone else, about the origins of Covid. Because they DON'T follow any standards or do any fact checking. Instead they formulate a narrative they promulgate amongst themselves and then spread that propaganda to people like you who swallow it.

In essence you couch your propaganda behind a false front of smug civility while you continue to lie to yourself and everyone else about and with your ideology instead of merely speaking the truth. Truths like, you're not really interested in "helping ICE" do a better job by requiring them to do more paperwork and then get an official seal of approval by a judge who agrees with your ideology and not with the law. Instead you're more interested in hindering ICE by changing the rules in the middle of the game to favor one side. YOUR side.

And that's not how society works.