Sgt Pepper

[sr71plt]

People said that about cars too, but every once in a while you find somebody who had the vision to buy and set aside a GTO, Mustang, Chevelle SS or Dodge Dart. I knew somebody who did that with a '68 Dart. He kept it garaged and very, very seldom ever drove it. Flat refused to sell it to anyone. Not sure what happened to it after he died.

Yep, my son-in-law is like that with cars. He has an old Mustang, a Super Bee, and a Lincoln Continental convertible (from when they had four doors--I think it's the vintage of the JFK death car). Says they are an investment, but in the meantime they are a money pit.

I do that with Japanese block prints. Bought them for an investment, I said. My wife laughed. Haven't sold one of them yet.

Thought we'd done that with Oriental carpets too when we lived where they were being made. Got back to the States, and they'd more than flooded the market here already. Haven't sold any of those either.

 

[jaF0]

I'd argue that The Beatles are the greatest band ever

You'd get a lot of argument for sure. I can think of many, many 'better' bands musically who sold millions of albums and lasted far longer. Listening to songs released during the same period, you can easily hear the differences no matter which you like better.

Not the least of which might include The Animals, The Hollies, The Who and one called The Pretty Things that most people don't remember.

 

[My I]

I have the album in its original jacket that I purchased in 1971 at a garage sale.

I also have it as a picture disc. LP

Fortunately I do not have them in the truck with me as they would be warped by now.

 

[Handley_Page]

You'd get a lot of argument for sure. I can think of many, many 'better' bands musically who sold millions of albums and lasted far longer. Listening to songs released during the same period, you can easily hear the differences no matter which you like better.

Not the least of which might include The Animals, The Hollies, The Who and one called The Pretty Things that most people don't remember.

I'll admit that it might be a tricky thing to reckon.
The Hollies were damned good, the Who still are, and one might include the 'Stones.
But the Beatles had a better 'straight run' at it, didn't have a particular gimmick and enjoyed good publicity.

But I do like the Sgt Pepper LP. My copy [seldom played] is well cased and looked after;
like all my other Beatles albums.

 

[ElectricBlue]

No, mine's on a stand on a credenza under a long bank of windows in the den, next to the TV set. There's room because my wife winters plants there and has now taken them all outside.

Thank God you guys cleared that up!

Japanese block prints - ukiyo-e or contemporary? I love Japanese block print art - Taschen released a very good reproduction of Hiroshige's "One Hundred Views of Edo" several years ago, with a sewn binding. Beautiful, evocative imagery.

 

[sr71plt]

Thank God you guys cleared that up!

Japanese block prints - ukiyo-e or contemporary? I love Japanese block print art - Taschen released a very good reproduction of Hiroshige's "One Hundred Views of Edo" several years ago, with a sewn binding. Beautiful, evocative imagery.

The post WWII Shin Hanga artists, including Toshi Yoshida, Watanabe, Kiyoshi Saito, Jochi Hoshi, Maki, Okuyama, Jun-Ichero Sekino.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm in the garden in our screened pavilion and I'm hearing Sgt Pepper playing from two different directions in the neighborhood.

 

[jaF0]

It sho' ain't me. I'm playing some quiet jazz.

 

[jaF0]

Yep, my son-in-law is like that with cars. He has an old Mustang,

I didn't care for the Bees, but I did like the Plymouth Sebring of that era.

Something I just thought of though. Showing my age sort of, but I bought my first car in the early 70s sometime. A genuine tank, fit for road battle -- a '68 Plymouth Fury III. I think it weighed as much as tank too. But at the time, I probably could have bought a '69 Chevelle or something similar for about the same money. At that time, they were just seen as used cars a few years old, they hadn't become collectible yet. For some reason though, I just wasn't into muscle cars.

 

[sr71plt]

It sho' ain't me. I'm playing some quiet jazz.

Of course not. You're being wrong headed about the Beatles, I think. I haven't heard the number and variety of new orchestrations of the songs of rock bands of any other group that I've heard of the Beatles. I've heard more timeless renditions of their music than any other band.

 

[jaF0]

I also have the Beatles Concerto, by the way.

 

[sr71plt]

I didn't care for the Bees, but I did like the Plymouth Sebring of that era.

Something I just thought of though. Showing my age sort of, but I bought my first car in the early 70s sometime. A genuine tank, fit for road battle -- a '68 Plymouth Fury III. I think it weighed as much as tank too. But at the time, I probably could have bought a '69 Chevelle or something similar for about the same money. At that time, they were just seen as used cars a few years old, they hadn't become collectible yet. For some reason though, I just wasn't into muscle cars.

I took a 69 Buick LeSabre 4-door Hardtop to Bangkok. Now THAT was a tank. It won every battle with Bangkok vehicles except for a city bus, and when the owner of the bus company had it fixed, he begged to buy it as a personal limousine.

 

[jaF0]

I took a 69 Buick LeSabre 4-door Hardtop to ...

Try taking one up the old AlCan highway before it was paved -- 1,500 miles of gravel as I recall. Truck flaps covering the gas tank and plastic bubbles over the headlights to protect against stone damage. That was something like a 10,000 mile trip over several weeks.

 

[sr71plt]

Try taking one up the old AlCan highway before it was paved -- 1,500 miles of gravel as I recall. Truck flaps covering the gas tank and plastic bubbles over the headlights to protect against stone damage. That was something like a 10,000 mile trip over several weeks.

Try taking one down Bangkok's Sukhumvit road after the daily deluge and resultant flood and watch the cobras swimming by.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Of course not. You're being wrong headed about the Beatles, I think. I haven't heard the number and variety of new orchestrations of the songs of rock bands of any other group that I've heard of the Beatles. I've heard more timeless renditions of their music than any other band.

I think Leonard Cohen gets the gong for the single most covered song - Hallelujah. Last count I saw, something like 500 covers.

There'd be Beatles and Dylan songs that would get close, I expect. We'll probably see another resurgence of interest and the on-going debate about the importance (or not) of Sergeant Peppers. Like everything cultural, it's a very mixed bag of response.

 

[sr71plt]

I think Leonard Cohen gets the gong for the single most covered song - Hallelujah. Last count I saw, something like 500 covers.

I haven't heard a version of "Hallelujah" that wasn't in the same musical box as the original. I've heard 100-piece orchestrations of Beatle pop tunes, though, that take several bars for the realization to set in that the music has been taken to a different planet--and yet has maintained the integrity of the original. And not just one song--bunches of Beatle songs.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I haven't heard a version of "Hallelujah" that wasn't in the same musical box as the original. I've heard 100-piece orchestrations of Beatle pop tunes, though, that take several bars for the realization to set in that the music has been taken to a different planet--and yet has maintained the integrity of the original. And not just one song--bunches of Beatle songs.

Fair call. I'm revealing my prejudice - never liked the Beatles, always liked Leonard Cohen. I must have heard Suzanne a hundred times on the radio when it was first released, and I'm pretty sure I was the only person when I was in college who could bear to listen to his mournfulness.

Best concert I've ever heard was his three hour set in an Australian vineyard, not the last tour but the one before that.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Fair call. I'm revealing my prejudice - never liked the Beatles, always liked Leonard Cohen. I must have heard Suzanne a hundred times on the radio when it was first released, and I'm pretty sure I was the only person when I was in college who could bear to listen to his mournfulness.

Best concert I've ever heard was his three hour set in an Australian vineyard, not the last tour but the one before that.

I believe I was at that same concert. Triffids & friends supporting? It was a very good night.

 

[lovecraft68]

I haven't heard a version of "Hallelujah" that wasn't in the same musical box as the original. I've heard 100-piece orchestrations of Beatle pop tunes, though, that take several bars for the realization to set in that the music has been taken to a different planet--and yet has maintained the integrity of the original. And not just one song--bunches of Beatle songs.

They did a symphony concert of Metallica songs once. Heavy metal with violins etc.. it was pretty good.

The Beatles to me are 'okay' could be an age thing, but I just never saw them as all that great, but that's opinion. Having said that they launched a new wave of bands and music so its always a hats off for that.

I think the fact I saw through Lennon's 'peace' BS and for the prick he was probably prejudiced me somewhat.

MY wife's church(some type of progressive thing I don't get into it, its her thing) ends every service with "Imagine" its a beautiful song, but I always see it as disingenuous, but most things are. End of the day if you made money on it, purity will always be suspect.

 

[jomar]

I think the fact I saw through Lennon's 'peace' BS and for the prick he was probably prejudiced me somewhat.

...

A week or so befor he was assassinated he did an interview where he talked about being a violent man trying and learning to be better as he aged.

 

[jomar]

You'd get a lot of argument for sure. I can think of many, many 'better' bands musically who sold millions of albums and lasted far longer. Listening to songs released during the same period, you can easily hear the differences no matter which you like better.

Not the least of which might include The Animals, The Hollies, The Who and one called The Pretty Things that most people don't remember.

The Beatles do hold up very well if you look at the critics/experts all-time top lists.

 

[lovecraft68]

A week or so befor he was assassinated he did an interview where he talked about being a violent man trying and learning to be better as he aged.

I saw that after the fact-I was fairly young when he was killed-but it didn't take a genius to know he was a fraud. He was a drug addict, a liar, an abuser and copped an image to make himself some type of guru.

Fact is its one of those things that's very unpopular to say publicly, but he deserved what he got and it should have been sooner.

 

[jaF0]

I've heard 100-piece orchestrations of Beatle pop tunes, though, that take several bars for the realization to set in that the music has been taken to a different planet--and yet has maintained the integrity of the original. And not just one song--bunches of Beatle songs.

They did a symphony concert of Metallica songs once. Heavy metal with violins etc.. it was pretty good.

I've heard a lot of that. Rock gone symphonic/orchestral. Tull did a symphonic version of Aqualung and Townsend just released a symphonic version or Quadrophenia. Aside from those remakes by the original artists, there are a zillion re-works by others.

But what I still haven't found is Big Band gone Rock. The closest I've heard is Chicago doing Sing, Sing, Sing, but they always had a sort of big band sound to begin with.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I believe I was at that same concert. Triffids & friends supporting? It was a very good night.

No, I saw him with Paul Kelly - same Concerts on the Green series, different state. I also saw him on the last leg of his last world tour -same band but a different guitarist. The Webb Sisters and Sharon Robinson would have to be one of the greatest line of backing singers ever.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Fact is its one of those things that's very unpopular to say publicly, but he deserved what he got and it should have been sooner.

A tad harsh LC. How does any artist writer musician ever deserve assassination?