Sexism on the board

[Dryfus3368]

Being a "card carrying male" Who is at the moment going through a divorce, I still see little to bash woman for. MOST of them I know are very open to most anything a man is. BTW, there is such a thing as a diners card. As for saying "fuck you" here as opposed to RL, I do it both places. If people don't like me the way I am, FUCK EM. I try not to be politcally correct, because I find it very BOERING. PC is bad. After all, as dennis miller said in either "the rants" or "ranting again". What Hitler said was once considered PC.



Just my $.02








Dryfus

 

[YogiBare]

When a person of one gender bashes the other gender, that person just loses credibility for me. Scapegoating is just that, whether it's based on gender, race, religion, or whatever. somehow men-bashing became PC during the 70s when womens'lib was the thing. It's OK to treat men like oafs. Well, no it isn't.

Thank you for listening to my rant of the day.

 

[modest mouse]

Re: male bashing at the high school level

This reminds me of what my son claims to experience at school. He's a bit of a conservative, intelligent gentleman and in his leadership positions he really locks horns with some strong, female personalities. I'm amazed at the episodes where the young ladies - using profanity - berate him for his 'stupid male' opinion. Granted, there are a lot of high school age guys that encourage this stereotyping, but I think there is a rise in the acceptance of public male bashing - even among the faculty of schools. I'm afaid for him though that he's beginning to stereotype females as "controlling bitches".
We've had some great discussion on the topic. Trying to convince him that bashing is something a person, whether male or female, does probably in response to their own insecurities is tough when his daily experience is so vivd. Maybe it tends to change with maturity?

This is a VERY important post. Behavior such as this creates a situation where a man is punished for being what so many women say they want men to be.

Remaining calm and not lashing back with similar words takes willpower and restraint. The problem is that over time it can lead to resentment and building of the famous male exterior.

There seems to be a perception that the typical personality traits of men are a burden on soceity, that the world functions despite men. The psychological effect is potentially devastating.

We may move quickly from the "save our young girls" movement to a void left where young men feel alienated.

Spmetimes I wonder if the pseudo-feminist see the irony of laying blame for the worlds ills at the feet of the male gender.

 

[Lady_Kit]

Not here!

Sorry, didn't mean to say that I had seen the man bashing here. By and large, I think that this is a very liberated environment. People are respected for their intellect, not their gender. But I do see alot in the RL. My business puts me in touch with men and women working at the managerial & executive levels in a variety of industries.

The behavior of many of the women that I see in the RL seems to represent the worst of the traits formerly attributed to men. I feel so bad for the men who are subjected to this, and for the women who have been brainwashed into believing that it's ok.

My thoughts...
Kit

 

[ToddHwrd]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize being politically correct was required to post here.

I agree Angel, I wasn't aware that is was a prerequisite for posting here either, but I can tell you that (in one man's opinion) that there does seem to be a different measuring stick for women than there is for men. Than again when you think about it there should be, because we are not at all the same. We are completely different and should be treated and judged that way.

Now that is not meant badly against either sex, I feel it is just a fact that we should try and understand!!

ToddH

 

[Gilly Bean]

I think the whole purpose of people going to a board such as this, is that they don't have a mommy standing over them bugging them about what is right and wrong.

Are the guys complainging about sexism?

if not, who the hell cares?

 

[ToddHwrd]

I think the whole purpose of people going to a board such as this, is that they don't have a mommy standing over them bugging them about what is right and wrong.

Are the guys complainging about sexism?

if not, who the hell cares?

I couldn't have said it better!!!

 

[modest mouse]

Are the guys complainging about sexism?

if not, who the hell cares?

Have their been complaints? Not that I know of. I personally have had no reason to complain but I am cold hearted.

Saying it doesnt merit discussion because noone complained is naive, in the extreme.

 

[Gilly Bean]

Never said it didn't warrent conversation. However, do I feel I need to have someone standing over my shoulder telling me what ALL the women on this board do is wrong? She doesn't know me, and I don't know her. She doesn't speak my mind, and she has no right to assume anything about anyone. If she wants to stop this supposed sexism, that's her deal. However, she really should be more selective when she posts, rather then making it sound as if everyone here is guilty of it. If she has a guilty conscience, then let her clear it. I am just fine with mine, thank you very much.

 

[lavender]

 

[Saturn Return]

changed my mind..

Hey...

I've decided I'm all for abusing men..

All I need now is a blindfold, some rope and a feather.

 

[Kymberley]

bump

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Svedish_Chef]

The smart and strategic ones do.

You havent even seen me queen yet, its bad enough playing straight.

 

[Laurel]

My Dad, I think you can change points for frequent flyer miles as well as the dining pros. Good thing, there aren't many-if any participating restaurants in Michigan.

Ah! So they DO exist. Another mystery solved...

I tried to say this earlier, but I don't think it made sense. I'm going to try again, but this try may not make sense either. Ah, my kingdom to be able to write!

I think that racism and sexism in our lives needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, else we run the risk of espousing the same blatant generalizations that we detest. If we, for example, have male relatives that are misogynists, then go on to talk about how "men are misogynists", then we are going to upset and offend the majority of men who are NOT misogynists, as well as spread the incorrect assumption that men treat women as less.

In both genders, in every social class, in every culture, at every age, you will find intolerance. As far as what's Politically Correct, I could give a fuck. That changes from one second to the next. What does not change in my mind is that intolerance and racial or sexual prejudice are wrong. Those are my values. Your mileage may vary. But one does not help any situation with blatant generalizations.

Erosman's son is a good example. He has dealt with immature women with biases, and in response he may develop biases of his own. It's a gut reaction. However, it's counterproductive. Rather than make the assumption that all women are men-bashers - or, at least, that all strong-willed, intelligent women are men-bashers - he needs to step back and realize that the women he's dealt with are a small subsection of all women, and that they do not represent all of us. Just as the KKK is not representative of White people.

It's hard, because people are geared towards taking information from their environment and making generalizations. This green nut I ate made me sick - therefore, I will in the future avoid green nuts. Survival instinct and all that. But it can be harmful in interpersonal communications. We need to use logic, not gut reaction, if we ever want to live in a society free from sexual & racial prejudice.

</turkey-induced ramble>

 

[Jackdaw30]

pc priorities

I would say that there are a number of things that women can get away with that men can not, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Next time a woman grabs my butt at a bar, should I slap her? I've seen women do it....heh
Anyway, Yes, there is a Diner's Club card in real life - I used to have one. and, yes again Lady_Kit there is a test, but it's mostly an oral examination.

 

[PHANTOM5875]

I have noticed more sexist statements on this board lately. Almost all of them directed at men. I'm pretty sure that if the guys were making comments directed at women that were even similar to the ones directed at men, 'we' would be irate.

So what's up? Why do we seem to think it's ok to generalize about men's attitudes, and to make insulting comments about their gender?

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I have seen this type of behavior on BOTH sides of the gender ranks and I find what works best for me (and I ONLY speak for myself as a "card carrying" male) is to look the offending person(s) squarely in the eye, give them your warmest smile and say absolutely NOTHING. It drives your message home in a very effective way. If it doesn't, then you would be wasting your breath on them anyways. Most people know when they are bashing others. I simply choose NOT to lower myself to their level as they have already found the secret cover to the lowest sewer of the mind and it REALLY stinks in there. I know. I have fallen in there a time or two during the many, many years I took becoming a useful citizen of the world.

Just my ramblings.

Phantom.