Sex-- What does it mean?

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When you have kids, as they grow up you start to feel that you want to, that you should, impart some wisdom on them about sex- beyond the fundamentals about what goes where (pretty sure they can figure that out) and how to protect themselves.

Which leads you to thinking on the topic and wondering how you can impart such wisdom when you really don't know yourself.

Do you want to tell them that sex is about love and commitment, when you know that it isn't always? Do you want to tell them that sex is just about sex, when you want them to take it seriously? Do you want to tell them that its holy, spirtitual, dirty, fun, private, nothing to be ashamed of, natural or an evil temptation of the flesh?

ANd if you tell them sex means one thing and they see contradictiong examples will they be disalusioned or will they be intollerant? How can we avoid either of these reactions? And how can we teach them something they won't just have to unlearn later at the hands of the 'real world'?

I've been thinking about these questions, and about how to answer it, and I've come up with an answer for myself-- although it's not necesarily crafted toward the younger genertation as of yet-- but here is what I've come up with.

Sex is about discovery. Discovering yourself, discovering pleasure, the giving and recieving and how to ballance that out, discovering your needs and your limitations and your values and your personal boundaries, and fears-- but mostly it's about discovering what sex means to you personally, because it doesn't mean the same for everyone. And the discovery is made by trial and error, and it's messy (emotionally) and sometimes painful and not at all like a fairy tale romance. In otherwords, it's like life.

That being said, I still think the first time (if it's in your control) should be special and meaningful and with someone you love and trust, because it *is* this new discovery and you want to start out with someone who will make it memorable, who can lay a positive foundation for your future sexual self, and who can support you through whatever emotional and/or physical termoil that follows. It doens't matter if they have more or less experience than you, just that they can and will be there for you when the dust settles.:)

Not to ignore the reality that far to many young women's first experiences are *not* consentual. IF the first time is something that happens out of your control, then you need to know that it's not your fault and that it doesn't have to be that way. And I think that mentally you should allow yourself to start over. And you should find someone you can trust (a counciler, or a friend or whatever) who can support you through the experience and emotions as well. And of course to know that you are not alone.

Either way, you have to be willing to forgive yourself and let go of the mistakes, the misconseptions and the things that just didn't go the way you imagined, hoped or planned. Because it's all part of the learning process.

So there's my new phylosophy- discovery, trial and error, finding personal meaning, non-judgement and self forgiveness.

How does that sound?
 
Personally I plan on telling my children that sex is physical and explaing the physical aspects, before going on to tell them that sex can be an expression of love and sometimes it's evoked by nothing more than lust. The reason and importance is up to themn to decide. I also plan to tell her (or them) that whatever the motivation sex should never make you emotionally uncomfortable. That's all I can do without being too overbearing and so on.
 
This is a hard question that I hoped not to think about for at least 14 more years but since you asked I guess I'll address it now. Personally for me fucking and making love are diffrent because of the emotions involved ans so on, but there's so many complications behind explaning that to a child or even to an adult. The most important thing I could ever tell anyone is to respect their body, if they see no problem with having sex without an emotional attatchment then so be it. If one feels the need to be emotionally bound to someone before indulging that's fine too. I'd also point out that sex should never be a source of shame if theres shame involved then there's something amuck.
 
I like what Renza said. Other than being sure a child is prepared and protected (physically and emotionally) I never liked the idea of "teaching" them about sex or love, so I didn't. I had conversations when they wanted or let them in on conversations with others (family and friends); sometimes they might have only been discussions about love or sex in a movie, or about how screwed up I thought a character or real life person was, but it was always just my opinion to them, nothing pedogogical or dogmatic.

I wanted my sons to make of it all what they wanted, make it theirs and not what it is to me or anyone else. I think it worked for both of them.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
I wanted my sons to make of it all what they wanted, make it theirs and not what it is to me or anyone else. I think it worked for both of them.

Perdita

Yes, I think that is the main part of what I was saying. you can't answer 'what does sex mean' because you have to discover what it means for yourself.

I see a few people posted some sort of variation on this, so I guess I'm not to far off:)
 
Yikes! I'm supposed to impart such knowledge to my children? I'm still figuring it all out MYSELF!
 
I know I confused the issue by bringing up kids, but I didn't really mean to say, 'what do or should you teach kids about sex'-- only that having to think about those questions pushes you to think about sex in terms that you might not necessarily have to otherwise.

I do however, think that, at some point something a little deeper should be passed along than just answering the questions asked. Growing up, we all have questions that just don't make it into words, and difficulty understanding the concepts behind human sexuality.

For example, when I became the only pregnant teenager in my church youth group (but not the first)-- I was sort of honorarily elected the 'sex expert.' Girls had quesions that they now felt they could ask me. But I didn't know the answers! Even simpler questions like 'when is the right time' seem to recieve as an answer of either 'wait' or 'you'll know'-- both of which are utter bullshit. Everyone has that question, but not everyone is brave enough to ask it and few are lucky enough to get a half way decent response.

The real answer is you *don't* know. It's trial and error. So protect yourself, find a partner that you can trust to help you through the other side, and go easy on yourself when things don't go as planned. [You thought you were ready but you weren't, you feel guilty, or cheap or easy or you think you should feel these things but you don't, you did it because you felt pressured and not because you really wanted to, you wanted to but now you wish you hadn't, you thought you choose the right partner but you didn't, you expected to feel the earth move but you didn't, you feel different about your parner now, or they feel different about you and on and on and on.] Just learn from it and let go. Don't beat yourself and keep making the same mistakes.

And of course- be secure in the knowlege that the chioce is yours to make, not your parents, your teachers or your paster or your boyfriend or your friends. Don't give your choice away.(easier said than done)
 
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impressive said:
Yikes! I'm supposed to impart such knowledge to my children? I'm still figuring it all out MYSELF!

Yes, that's the point!

And really I just meant to say that having children (who are growing quickly) was just the impetus (sp?) that pushed me into really thinking through this stuff and clarifying it for myself.

Or in otherwords, "where does she come up with this stuff?" and "why does she ask such odd questions? She thinks too much."
 
One thing I always tell the younger guys I work with: '15 will get you 20!'
 
I would tell them EVERYTHING... in immense detail!

What better way to steer a kid away from sex for a few more years than to hear mom describe it.

What you don't know, make up. Use cute little stick illustrations.

We are the anti-viagra of todays youth.
 
sincerely_helene said:
Use cute little stick illustrations.
You're genius mom material, Helene. Wish I'd thought of that. P. :rose:

p.s. I will get back to you on the snipps soon.
 
Originally posted by sincerely_helene
I would tell them EVERYTHING... in immense detail!

What better way to steer a kid away from sex for a few more years than to hear mom describe it.

What you don't know, make up. Use cute little stick illustrations.

We are the anti-viagra of todays youth.

You so know how foxy you are, don't you?
 
Originally posted by sincerely_helene
:eek: I do now!

Thanks for that.:D

Just kinda hit me. You are foxy. I like you.

Anyhow, back to the topic and logical Joe--this moment of humanity brought to you by s_h.
 
Joe Wordsworth said:
Just kinda hit me. You are foxy. I like you.

Anyhow, back to the topic and logical Joe--this moment of humanity brought to you by s_h.

And you are the male equivelant of foxy... you are errrr... wolfy?Thanks again.

I agree. Let's get back to the sex talk.:D
 
I am completely and totally honest with my kids about everything. While this approach may not work best with all kids, or young adults, with mine it seems to be fine, so far. My daughter, who was in college at the time, called me the morning after she lost her virginity to tell me, and talk about how she felt about the whole experience.

What I've told mine is along the lines of what Renza, Destinie, and Lime have all said: don't feel pressured to do something you're not sure you want to do, and protect yourself. Well, I've told them more than that, but you get the drift.

Seems to have worked so far.
 
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