Sex or no sex?

[Guest]

BINGO!!!​

Is that like strip bingo or something?

 

[nyte_byrd]

On another note, I also often find that the sex in my stories is easily written and thought out. It's the lead-in and aftermath that gives me challenge. Anyone have this in common with me?

I have the opposite problem: several stories still on the table with good solid plots, but get stuck trying to figure out just how to integrate the sex scenes.

As for reading them, it depends on my mood. Sometimes I'm interested in reading a good long story with a little sex sprinkled in, but other times the mood swings more towards "forget the plot, just do it!"

 

[SeaCat]

LOLOLOL

I tried writing a story that just had sex, it bombed and bombed some more. (Thankfully I didn't post it here.)

Now I try to write a story, something with a plot, something with characters and occasionaly even with a *gasp* message.

These bomb as well but at least I have fun writing them.

As for what I enjoy reading? I like a good story, by which I mean there has to be a plot and I have to at least think the characters could be believable in some context.

Cat

 

[Guest]

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[Boxlicker101]

LOLOLOL

I tried writing a story that just had sex, it bombed and bombed some more. (Thankfully I didn't post it here.)

Now I try to write a story, something with a plot, something with characters and occasionaly even with a *gasp* message.

These bomb as well but at least I have fun writing them.

As for what I enjoy reading? I like a good story, by which I mean there has to be a plot and I have to at least think the characters could be believable in some context.

Cat

Probably the most sex-filled story I ever wrote was "Mrs. Claus Cums Once a Year", which I wrote for the Winter Holiday contest last year. There was no plot at all, just a description of a sex orgy with Mrs. Claus in the middle of it. Especially the second part. I lost track of how many sex acts described in it, but it was over 8,000 words long. The last two paragraphs were about her preparing for sex with her husband but everything else described the orgy. Part 1 was about 9,000 words long, and almost as extreme, except I had to set the scene a bit and describe Mrs. Claus and how she got things going. Obviously, it wasn't very believable.

 

[sirhugs]

Probably the most sex-filled story I ever wrote was "Mrs. Claus Cums Once a Year", which I wrote for the Winter Holiday contest last year. There was no plot at all, just a description of a sex orgy with Mrs. Claus in the middle of it. Especially the second part. I lost track of how many sex acts described in it, but it was over 8,000 words long. The last two paragraphs were about her preparing for sex with her husband but everything else described the orgy. Part 1 was about 9,000 words long, and almost as extreme, except I had to set the scene a bit and describe Mrs. Claus and how she got things going. Obviously, it wasn't very believable.

coincidentally, I wrote a nonstop sex Christmas tale too. Everyone's Kissing Santa Claus has minimal plot, maximum orgy.

It scores well.

 

[sirhugs]

Is that like strip bingo or something?

now THAT would be a fun story scenario!

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I think that sex is the key to the erotic story's lock. You need both to make it work.

Yes, I have gotten aroused from reading stories that are all tease, and I have also gotten arounsed by stories that had minimal plot (you wouldn't believe how many typos I have corrected already, I just woke up...), but the best stories have both in a well choreographed dance of passion and perversion. You have characters that work well together (or against each other), and by the end of it you aren't only begging for them to have sex, but you are begging for them to have more sex, and are wondering what happens next in their lives.

 

[Darkniciad]

It is LitEROTICA. I can, and do, write stories with no actual sex in them, but there is always at least some hint of suggestion. Old fashioned fantasy treated female characters as if they didn't exist below the neck, and babies appeared under cabbage leaves.

On here - if you don't have sex, or at least strong suggestion - it will hurt your score and draw complaints, with good reason.

Some cats give you more leeway. From what I hear, romance readers are forgiving, and I know for a fact that many Sci-Fi/Fantasy readers will skim the sex at first if the story is good.

I don't know how many times I've seen that comment, followed by "But then I go back and read the sex, I'm not a monk!"

I like writing the sex. How much of it ends up in the story depends on my mood, and where the story is going. I can't just write porn flicks. I'm the same with reading. Give me a good mixture.

 

[arienette]

I need a nice mixture - I need to get wrapped up in a story and the characters before I watch them crumble into each other.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Some cats give you more leeway. From what I hear, romance readers are forgiving, and I know for a fact that many Sci-Fi/Fantasy readers will skim the sex at first if the story is good.

It seems to me that most of the Sci-Fi stories have tacked on sex that doesn't effect the story one way or the other. "The aliens are taking over! We need to fight them off! We are fighting them off! Sex! We won!" It just doesn't fit. Tacked on sex doesn't do anything for me. If I feel the need to skip the sex scene because it doesn't belong, that usually means I skip the rest of the story.

 

[amicus]

Thank you for the poll, Danielleff, some very interesting replies.

I personally think they are questions that cannot be answered objectively as I see many levels of writing and readership, here and elsewhere.

I know I came to Literotica some years back when the owner of the site, 'AllPoetry' decided my graphic sex scenes and the age of the participants was unacceptable to a 'family' site. I of course debated that censorship in any form was unconscionable and called him out on it.

Even here on Literotica I am dismayed that laws affecting the internet, chills the creativity of writers.Caveat Emptor, let the buyer, (reader) beware.

On the artistic levell, there is a fine debate to be had on the nature of sex in human life. If you are Freudian in nature and read a lot of Greek mythology and/or Shakespeare, you soon understand that the basic sexual urge to procreate underscores almost every human activity from work to play to sports to professional life in the arts and sciences.

There are also levels of sophistication and social place to keep in mind, a sexual encounter between the lowest classes of humanity is quite different than 'middle class' encounters and certainly different if wealth and empire are at stake.

Pretty much anything is acceptable and there is usually a reader for most anything that is written regardless of the level.

I enjoy writing about human life and the interactions between people, driven by purpose or circumstance or driven by deeply hidden psychological imperatives that either party may or may not be aware of.

I also enjoy writing of 'one night stands', chance encounters in which neither party are fully aware of why they are attracted to the other.

I also think the history of erotic literature, reflects a continuing interest and creative spirit in the erotic and sensual art of the time. Ancient history now of course, but works such as Lady Chatterly's Lover and Lolita ran afoul of contemporary morality in their times.

And of course, as many who read my blurbs know full well, the 'sexual revolution' of the 50's, birth control, abortion, the more open acceptance of alternative sexual preferences, ( for whatever reason) has forever changed the landscape for the writer and indeed, social behavior itself.

Interesting poll, I chose the last category although I most likely would have voted, 'all of the above', given the choice.

regards...amicus...

 

[Captain Midnight]

Vote one way, write another

My very first Poll but I had to know. How does sex affect your storylines? Which would make you happier to read and make you give a better score as you are reding?

It's ironic that I like to read stories with lots of sex in them, but write sex scenes only with much travail and only more or less "because I have to." Only two or three of my sex scenes have felt truly inspired and turn-ons to me and presumably the readers.

Wall-to-wall sex in a story or a film is downright boring. It makes the characters look shallow and totally unconcerned for anyone else's welfare except their own. If the reader at some point is going to masturbate to orgasm, there is no reason to read or watch further.

When I write sex scenes, I try to make it part of the romance among the characters, perhaps even incidental to the romance. I guess my favorite sex scene would be one where the two characters fall asleep together and wake up still cuddled together, feeling like two halves to one person emotionally rather than just two people, one of whom happens to have a part of himself inside a part of the other person (to put it the most crudely).

I loathe the term "holes" for women. The vagina is the key to a woman's heart. In anal sex, it's a little different, but women wouldn't engage in anal sex if the nerves to the womb didn't extend to the colon and create pleasurable sensations of stimulation. (I honestly don't know how guys, who don't have those nerves, can take a penis in their bottoms.) And of course, the mouth is not a hole but a means of expression.

 

[NoJo]

And of course, the mouth is not a hole but a means of expression.

I still maintain it's a hole.

I have the same problem as Captain Midnight, about writing sex scenes in stories that are basically not about sex. I felt stupid writing them, because I'd learned from writing gurus how gratuitous scens of any sort should be excised.

I like watching porn, because quite frankly, watching womens' sexy bodies is sexually arousing. (There, I've said it). And there's no way any story can get me anywhere near as excited as watching a porn movie, if the author tries to compete with a visual medium by relying solely on visual descriptions of people and their actions. That happens a lot.

The key for an erotic writer is to use the strengths of the medium of fiction, which are not available to movie makers:

The ability to describe people's thoughts and feelings; the ability to telescope exposition and back-story in a few words; being able to describe touch, smell and taste; etc.

 

[Liar]

Lemme put it this way:

I occaissionally watch a porno flick. The most annoying thing to me is the endless EXTREME close-up of his dick sliding in and out of her pussy. I really didn't want to be that close. I want to see her expression. I want to see her body react. I want to see her tits jiggle, her hips bucking, her ass rippling....

When the switch views to one 4 inches away from his balls slapping her ass, well... I'm sorry, just not a turn on for me.

Fuckin A. Watching people have sex can be fun. Watching genitals have sex...not as much.

 

[NoJo]

Fuckin A. Watching people have sex can be fun. Watching genitals have sex...not as much.

No, but funny, sometimes. It reminds me of Wayne's Worlds "Extreeeeme Close-up!!!!"

 

[deathlynx]

I loathe the term "holes" for women. The vagina is the key to a woman's heart. In anal sex, it's a little different, but women wouldn't engage in anal sex if the nerves to the womb didn't extend to the colon and create pleasurable sensations of stimulation. (I honestly don't know how guys, who don't have those nerves, can take a penis in their bottoms.) And of course, the mouth is not a hole but a means of expression.

I can agree with this...I think about the only time I use the term is when I'm aiming for the emotional separation from the act...Usually when brutality or the like is involved...

 

[Guest]

I loathe the term "holes" for women. The vagina is the key to a woman's heart. In anal sex, it's a little different, but women wouldn't engage in anal sex if the nerves to the womb didn't extend to the colon and create pleasurable sensations of stimulation. (I honestly don't know how guys, who don't have those nerves, can take a penis in their bottoms.) And of course, the mouth is not a hole but a means of expression.

It's amazing but I feel the exact same way about the term. There aren't many sexual terms that offend me or turn me off, but that is one of them. There are more ways of expressing the vaginal channel than to use the word "hole" Makes me think of what my dog digs in the back yard.

 

[NoJo]

Surely it's such a ludicrously misogynistic term that it becomes merely inoffensive. I'd laugh if somebody actually called women that. I remember hearing it just once, and the guy who used it was clearly closet case.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Midnight
I loathe the term "holes" for women. The vagina is the key to a woman's heart. In anal sex, it's a little different, but women wouldn't engage in anal sex if the nerves to the womb didn't extend to the colon and create pleasurable sensations of stimulation. (I honestly don't know how guys, who don't have those nerves, can take a penis in their bottoms.) And of course, the mouth is not a hole but a means of expression.

I can agree with this...I think about the only time I use the term is when I'm aiming for the emotional separation from the act...Usually when brutality or the like is involved...

I would take some exception to that, unless you mean using "hole" as a synonym for "woman". I would consider that to be just dumb, and would never use it. However, I do sometimes use "hole" when refering to a vagina, which I usually consider too technical. I might say something like "I breathed deeply of the aroma of her juices and gazed, enraptured, into the delightful pink hole that was their source." If I refer to an asshole, it means a nasty person. I might say something like: "She reached back to spread her ass cheeks and I inserted the nozzle of the bottle of Aquaglide into the tiny hole she had opened." I tend to use rather flowery language, especially when I am describing a woman's private parts. I wouldn't even think about referring to a mouth, male or female, as a hole.

 

[Weird Harold]

Which would make you happier to read and make you give a better score as you are reading?

"All of the Above" which isn't a choice on your poll, so I didn't vote.

What affects the score I give a story is how well it's written -- is it something that I would read again or recommend to someone else.

A short vignette of non-stop sex between "Barbie and Ken characters" can be as well-written as a sexless 300,000 word romance epic. Different writing skills are needed dependent on the nature of the story to be told and I vote on how well the writing matches the material.

I don't judge vignettes by the same standards as longer stories and what I read largely depend on my mood at the time I go looking for something to read. I tend to prefer long stories with a good mix of plot, characterization, and well-integrated sex scenes, but I will read almost anything that strike my fancy.

 

[elsol]

It depends...

There are times where I'm looking for 'scene' stories... get in, pop a nice nut, and get out.

Most of the time though I'm looking for what a Romance novel gives me... a nice story with steamy sex to it... of course, the problem with Romances is their not drawn to the my perspective so I prefer online erotica.

Nothing like a good sci-fi story with some explicit sex in it.

 

[deathlynx]

I tend to use rather flowery language, especially when I am describing a woman's private parts. I wouldn't even think about referring to a mouth, male or female, as a hole.

Agreed...Actually I don't think even then I reffered to the mouth as a "hole" but simply the ass and vagina...Example: "He thrust himself repeatedly into her holes while he forced her back to arch unnaturally by pulling her hair" (almost a quote from something I'm writing but my memory is foggy and it's on my laptop )...I pretty much never even use words such as "pussy", "dick", "penis" and the like (don't even GO to the "C word") in favor of much more flowery...I'm a big fan of "sacred temple", "pusling member", "engorged organ" (respectively)...Actually I need to start getting some new analogies now that I think about it ...

And no, I wouldn't and haven't describe the woman herself as simply a hole, as in "to be used/filled", except perhaps if a character said it...and even then I can think of better ways to show what a complete jerk s/he is...