Sex Offender Madness

[3113]

Sometimes maybe we shouldn't protect kids so much.

Did legal person come forward to fight for any of these people?

 

[xssve]

I'd agree that it's likely cultural, as in many countries, including (sadly) much of the U.S. there is a feeling that once a girl hits puberty she's on her way to marriage and kids and why bother with the learning? And so the girl is less encouraged to use her brain not only by the boys she might be competing with in class, but also parents and society. She's likely to hold this view herself.

However, I'd also postulate two other things. First, it's possible that the comparison to boys makes the girls look slower. Boys kick in at about that time (which is why we have to change the way kids are taught). So it's rather like watching a race. The girls race ahead, the boys trail. Half-way, the boys get speed and match the girls--but you could judge that as the girls slowing down . Maybe true, maybe not. The girls might be keeping pace, they just look slower because the boys got faster.

Second, I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that female hormones, kicking in, slow down a girl's ability to learn in jr. high. The girls have no trouble concentrating, then suddenly they're having mood swings (which affects their relationship, obviously, with parents and siblings and friends). Their bodies change and they get fixated on that (I'm ugly! I've got pimples!), and social concerns (Does he like me? Do you think he likes me?). Wanting a boyfriend, having a boyfriend (spending hours on the texting and talking to him), doing a boyfriend's homework breaking up with a boyfriend--none of this requires sex to make a girl study less and do worse in school. Everything is a distraction and a worry. Including sexuality activity and fear. A pregnancy scare will shoot all a girl's concentration right to hell.

But, I'd really have to hear more about how this study was conducted. For example, did it compare girls to boys and did it consider that the boys speeding up might make girls look slower? Did the study include schools which were girls only and boys only? How long did this slow-down last (i.e., how far did the study go? all the say to college age?). Did it include other countries and methodology of teaching? Did it take into account the schools themselves? Teachers paying more attention to aggressive teen boys as compared to less aggressive teen girls? Without all these, I'd worry about connecting JUST puberty to girls' cognitive skills.

Personally, my cognitive skills and scholarship improved significantly after puberty. But then, I also moved to a significantly better school system where I wasn't being bullied by other students, nor ignored by the teachers. Hello?

Agreed, puberty is when body and social issues hit full force, which I've argued elsewhere are probobly more intense for girls - a guy with less than meticulous hygiene and questionable tastes in fashion is a slob at worst, wheras with girls even insults tend to take on sexual tones, slut, etc., and usually without regard to actual sexual activity - the bulk of our putdown are sexual in nature, and even between guys, involve feminization: pussy, etc. - i.e., the most degrading thing imaginable is to be like a girl, amicus is trying to play this card with me all the time.

And it's ingrained culturally, I do it myself sometimes when I don't think before I speak - there is no really handy word for less aggressive masculine behavior than "pussy", "wimp" is about the closest non sexual analog.

i.e, women are encouraged to obsess over their bodies, hygiene, and to a large extent, social development, popularity, etc., guys are freer to engage in a wider range of activities: by High school, female sports are usually pared down to a few hardcore butchs and runners, track and field, maybe vollyball - even casual sports like skateboarding, parkball and the like are the province of males almost exclusively, computer and video games, and a host of other seemingly innocuous activites that can enrich cognitive development.

I'm very gratified by the appearence of the "nerdslut", as one of our litmembers in here is promoting, it has a nice ring to it, you can be intelligent and curious and not be a social pariah.

That sexual schizophrenia is inherent in our whole value system we discourage sexual activity among teens, but we place a great deal of value on physical and sociosexual development: the jocks, the symbols of masculine virility are at the top of the status ladder, as are the cheerleaders, the symbols of feminine beauty and supportiveness. And their sexual transgressions are generally overlooked, even when they cross the line: "boys will be boys", etc. popularity buys you a certian amount of slack, and poularity is largely based on sexual attractiveness rather than cognitive development - the Chess club doesn't have any groupies, and they are socially feminized.

I come from a family of scholar athletes, I tended a little more towards the scholar side, but the division is somewhat alien to me. I was sexually active in high school, and my girlfreind was Salutatorian, and more sexually active than I was, she seduced me.

But we largely associate intelligence with feminization at the adolescent level, though it is rewarded later - it may a cultural device to delay physical development in nerdy males to enhance their cognitive development, hard to say, and it seems to work similarly for girls though less common.

It becomes an argument for a certain amount of diversity, the star athlete may be doomed ot become a used car salesman anyway, so a plateauing of cognitive devleopment may be neiother here nor there, sexual activity among more scholarly individual may not be all that damaging to cognitive development if not accompanied by high levels of competitive social stress - when men compete for women, it increases testosterone levels, the testes well, and gonadal behaviors increase in frequency - this is an evolutionary device to enhance physical competition, and it tends to ovverride and retard cognitive development.

i.e., as we're both getting at here, it may less about sexual activity per se, and more about the neurochemistry of competition itself.

In legal terms, we cause problems with a ridgid, one size fits all approach as boota's example amply demonstrates, which itself is based on modelling theory which postulates that everyone is an idiot and will automatically model on the the least desireable behaviors - I'm not at all sure that's as self evidently valid as it's assumed to be.

 

[xssve]

Oh, it wasn't a study, it was an interview with a female television producer who was developing a game show for the womens network, I forget what it's called, and it was largely anecdotal, the irony being that she had wanted to devlop a show where girls could show off their intellect and she ended up having to dumb down the questions to a distrubingly rudimentary level. I don't know what, if any studies have been done on this.

 

[rgraham666]

That may have more to do with the type of people who want to get on game shows than saying anything about our socio-sexualisation models.

 

[Boota]

Did legal person come forward to fight for any of these people?

No. No one did. They put him into the system and were fine with the idea of him remaining there. I do wonder what finally came of all that.

 

[iluvyou3638]

I was reading about a kid who is 16, had sex with a kid he thought was 16, found out she was 13 and he's now on the sex offenders list for life. Whole life ruined for consensual sex. While searching for this article, I came across this, which is about a year old.

When is this lunacy going to stop?

god damnit! why cant we just bang whoever we want as long as they want it too? wtf is up with this shit. ::angry face::

 

[3113]

Oh, it wasn't a study, it was an interview with a female television producer who was developing a game show for the womens network, I forget what it's called, and it was largely anecdotal, the irony being that she had wanted to devlop a show where girls could show off their intellect and she ended up having to dumb down the questions to a distrubingly rudimentary level.

Ah! Sorry. Misunderstood there. Which leads us to Rob's astute observation....

That may have more to do with the type of people who want to get on game shows than saying anything about our socio-sexualisation models.

Agreed! Where did they get the girls? And was there any comparison to any boys? I don't live too far from an exclusive, girl's private school and I'd take a guess from a writer friend of mine who visited that school, that there'd be no need to dumb down questions for those young ladies.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That may have more to do with the type of people who want to get on game shows than saying anything about our socio-sexualisation models.

I don't know if I should be insulted or not. I have made attempts, so far unsuccessful, to get on Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. I don't feel stupid about that.

 

[3113]

I don't know if I should be insulted or not. I have made attempts, so far unsuccessful, to get on Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. I don't feel stupid about that.

Don't be insulted. You were obviously too smart for them to take

 

[carrie-on]

A friend of my daughter's spent two years in jail for having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
Her parents discovered it and pressed charges.
He too is listed on the Sex Offenders List.

When my Son in law was 18 he had sex with his 17 y/o girlfriend (who in 2 months wold have been 18) she got pregnant and her parents filed charges against him. He is on the sex offender registry until he is 45! Outrageous! The girl lost the baby a month later because she was having rough sex with another young man!

 

[Trinique_Fire]

I was reading about a kid who is 16, had sex with a kid he thought was 16, found out she was 13 and he's now on the sex offenders list for life. Whole life ruined for consensual sex. While searching for this article, I came across this, which is about a year old.

When is this lunacy going to stop?

Are you telling me you've seriously never heard of anything like this before? Because I knew someone personally whose life it ruined. You don't honestly think that all the sex offenders on that registered list are really as dirty as we're supposed to think they are, right?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Don't be insulted. You were obviously too smart for them to take

I passed the Wheel test, but I was still turned down. I didn't pass the Jeopardy test. Personally, I think it was rigged aginst me. Not me personally, of course but against non-English majors.