Do you see anything? People say they see the word "SEX" in a cloud or some character gets a "hard on" in another movie. What do you see in these Disney movies? Do you think it's all hype done on purpose for commercial benefit? Should Disney be held accountable?
Sex in Disney animated movies
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Ambrosious
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I once saw a gang bang with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, no wait, that was a dream.
Nevermind.
Nevermind.
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Sex in toons...
...there's an interesting history on this. Love to say I discovered it, but I'd be lying! Seems the early animators were always playing a game with the censors, often putting in something obvious and gratuitious in the hope that they would miss the more subtle. The demos I saw were more about expressions, body movements, and so forth. The researchers took apart lots of Disney, Warner Bros, Tom and Jerry, etc. Very interesting stuff...
Just proves my fundamental belief that all artists have dirty minds!
...there's an interesting history on this. Love to say I discovered it, but I'd be lying! Seems the early animators were always playing a game with the censors, often putting in something obvious and gratuitious in the hope that they would miss the more subtle. The demos I saw were more about expressions, body movements, and so forth. The researchers took apart lots of Disney, Warner Bros, Tom and Jerry, etc. Very interesting stuff...
Just proves my fundamental belief that all artists have dirty minds!
movie cartoon sex
i heard about this one, if you look at any disney cartoon carefully there will be some animated sexual behaviour or so i have been told, i will have to get my sons videos and spend hours looking at them purely for investigative purposes, what a sad life!
i heard about this one, if you look at any disney cartoon carefully there will be some animated sexual behaviour or so i have been told, i will have to get my sons videos and spend hours looking at them purely for investigative purposes, what a sad life!
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in defense of porno disney...
The segments I saw about x-rated messages in cartoons included a number of interviews with the now retired animators who told how they did it and why (censors were draconian during the war and McCarthy era). I haven't actually looked for it myself, but it was illuminating. Enjoy...but make your son wait until he's old enough to watch Goofy and Donald Duck...they are intended for older, more mature audiences!
The segments I saw about x-rated messages in cartoons included a number of interviews with the now retired animators who told how they did it and why (censors were draconian during the war and McCarthy era). I haven't actually looked for it myself, but it was illuminating. Enjoy...but make your son wait until he's old enough to watch Goofy and Donald Duck...they are intended for older, more mature audiences!
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Personally, I'm not going to scrutinize my videos for unobtrusive sexual items. Even if my kids DID notice it, they wouldn't understand it. When they're old enough to understand it, I doubt they'll still be watching those movies. Hell, I understand it, and I don't notice any of the alleged sexual anomalies.
What I didn't necessarily like was the inclusion of a sexual subplot in "The Road to Eldorado," in which the two heroes vied for the sexual/romantic attentions of the Rosie Perez character. I'd rather not have to explain to my kids (under 8 yrs.) what the couple were doing behind the couch. In my opinion, sex has no place in an animated movie aimed at kids.
On a side note, here's some trivia I learned in an advertising art class many years ago. There is a guy with a hard-on on the Camel cigarettes package. Look at the camel's foreleg, and you can see this guy standing with his legs apart with a woody sticking out.
What I didn't necessarily like was the inclusion of a sexual subplot in "The Road to Eldorado," in which the two heroes vied for the sexual/romantic attentions of the Rosie Perez character. I'd rather not have to explain to my kids (under 8 yrs.) what the couple were doing behind the couch. In my opinion, sex has no place in an animated movie aimed at kids.
On a side note, here's some trivia I learned in an advertising art class many years ago. There is a guy with a hard-on on the Camel cigarettes package. Look at the camel's foreleg, and you can see this guy standing with his legs apart with a woody sticking out.
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Whoa...tongue in cheek...really...
The animated movies and shorts made in the "early" years...before my time really...were never made for kiddies. They were made for adults so I don't think the artists had pedophilia perversions. Sometimes the humour is blatant like some of the Bugs Bunny toons where he holds up a pair of galoshes and calls out "don't forget your rubbers!" Others are sexual innuendo that the culture of the time would recognise.
I don't do this sort of analysis with cartoons, but with Victorian/Romantic/Gothic literature where a similar situation existed. Blatant erotica was ruthlessly censored so it had to be done with a subtle language woven into the general plot. It's difficult to do because you have to find the patterns in the culture to identify it in the literature. I think it's something that's always been with us and something that becomes more extreme in a culture which professes high moral ideals.
Now...back to Betty Boop...
The animated movies and shorts made in the "early" years...before my time really...were never made for kiddies. They were made for adults so I don't think the artists had pedophilia perversions. Sometimes the humour is blatant like some of the Bugs Bunny toons where he holds up a pair of galoshes and calls out "don't forget your rubbers!" Others are sexual innuendo that the culture of the time would recognise.
I don't do this sort of analysis with cartoons, but with Victorian/Romantic/Gothic literature where a similar situation existed. Blatant erotica was ruthlessly censored so it had to be done with a subtle language woven into the general plot. It's difficult to do because you have to find the patterns in the culture to identify it in the literature. I think it's something that's always been with us and something that becomes more extreme in a culture which professes high moral ideals.
Now...back to Betty Boop...
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tony_gam said:
Actualy, the word that appears in the cloud is SFX which is the name of a company that worked on special effects on Lion King. It was the dirty minds of over protective parents that got that rumor started.
But I did hear that in Fantasia, originaly during one segment, a female character was supposed to appear topless. However, it was changed for obvious reasons concerning the company that was releasing the film.
I HAVE seen that penis shaped part of the castle in the Little Mermaid cover. Didn't notice it till another kid told me "My mom's mad because she saw a penis on the Little Mermaid cover". Then I saw it after I looked realy hard.
What's my point? Just that parents are usualy the ones that make a bigger deal out these things then the kids. But hey, the guy with the bong in Alice in Wonderland was pretty cool.
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For those of you interested in the recent Disney movies (Aladdin, Lion King, Little Mermaid, etc.) and the spurious allegations against them, go check out
http://www.snopes.com
This urban legends site has a very full listing about the Disney myths and other similar allegations. Very illuminating. The stories are bunk, incidentally. You see what you wanna see. My personal favorite is the alleged "take your clothes off" line in Aladdin.
http://www.snopes.com
This urban legends site has a very full listing about the Disney myths and other similar allegations. Very illuminating. The stories are bunk, incidentally. You see what you wanna see. My personal favorite is the alleged "take your clothes off" line in Aladdin.
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Here is my thought on the issue...
I have never had a problem explaining to kids about sex. I have had great deal of difficulty explaining why people would kill other people.
I did see "SEX" in the cloud of dust in "The Lion King." I didn't see it the first time I watched the movie, and I didn't see it until it was pointed out. My niece didn't see it at all. What she did see was one character kill his own brother over an issue of power. After that, upon the first viewing, she did ask, "Why'd he do that?"
I would rahter see less Pokemon fights in kid's cartoons than worry about if I can see Jessica Rabbit's nipples. That's just me.
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I have never had a problem explaining to kids about sex. I have had great deal of difficulty explaining why people would kill other people.
I did see "SEX" in the cloud of dust in "The Lion King." I didn't see it the first time I watched the movie, and I didn't see it until it was pointed out. My niece didn't see it at all. What she did see was one character kill his own brother over an issue of power. After that, upon the first viewing, she did ask, "Why'd he do that?"
I would rahter see less Pokemon fights in kid's cartoons than worry about if I can see Jessica Rabbit's nipples. That's just me.
MP
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CelestialBody said:Renegade said:
Actualy, the word that appears in the cloud is SFX which is the name of a company that worked on special effects on Lion King. It was the dirty minds of over protective parents that got that rumor started.
But I did hear that in Fantasia, originaly during one segment, a female character was supposed to appear topless. However, it was changed for obvious reasons concerning the company that was releasing the film.
I HAVE seen that penis shaped part of the castle in the Little Mermaid cover. Didn't notice it till another kid told me "My mom's mad because she saw a penis on the Little Mermaid cover". Then I saw it after I looked realy hard.
What's my point? Just that parents are usualy the ones that make a bigger deal out these things then the kids. But hey, the guy with the bong in Alice in Wonderland was pretty cool.
The SFX/SEX in the Lion King sure as hell looks like SEX. As far as the Little Mermaid is concerned, The priest has a hard on where the Prince Eric is about to marry Vanessa/Ursula. The Fantasia one is pretty interesting, I'm guessing that's the one with the half human half animal creatures-I think they're centaurs-it's been awhile since I've read Greek myth, but the centaurs were driven by uncontrollable sexual urges, in one myth a centuar was a guest at a wedding. He was overcome by lust and attacked the bride-ruining the wedding. Out of curiousity-was the song for that one "The Rite(s?) of Spring?"
Centaurs!!! Thank you! I waited about half an hour before I sent in that last post to try and remember what they were called. lol Yeah that's what was originaly supposed to be topless I read.
And I forgot about the priest thing. That's one that I have yet to see because I haven't seen the first Little Mermaid for almost five years.
Yeah I thought that SFX was SEX also at first but I keep reading it was meant to be SFX. This might just be Disney trying to cover up for the incident, but I guess nobody will realy know.
There are some real 'sex in disney' incidents out there, but alot lately have been made up by people trying to find something that's not there. Still, it's always an interesting topic to talk about with others.
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Now that's funny!
Here I was thinking about the subtle sexuality put in by mischevious artists, but what we are really talking about are those people who strain their brains and squint their eyes to see what they want to see! Let me get this straight...this is brought to us by the same group who twirled vinyl LPs backwards and proclaimed that they had Satanic messages? The same groups that boycott Victoria's Secret for trying to pervert young girls? The same groups who want to censor Huck Finn, Harry Potter, and others? The same groups who changed three Arab magicians into three white wise men?
Ahhhh...I get it now. Too bad they missed the genuine messages.
Here I was thinking about the subtle sexuality put in by mischevious artists, but what we are really talking about are those people who strain their brains and squint their eyes to see what they want to see! Let me get this straight...this is brought to us by the same group who twirled vinyl LPs backwards and proclaimed that they had Satanic messages? The same groups that boycott Victoria's Secret for trying to pervert young girls? The same groups who want to censor Huck Finn, Harry Potter, and others? The same groups who changed three Arab magicians into three white wise men?
Ahhhh...I get it now. Too bad they missed the genuine messages.
I did not know about this one so I looked at it last night and I do see a penis. The priest does get a hard-on in Little Mermaid but I still don't see the SEX in the Lion King.
Has everyone seen the real munchkin hanging himself from a tree in one of the scenes of Wizard of Oz?
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URBAN LEGEND ALERT!!!
And, we come back to my original idea: tony, the hanging munchkin is another popular urban legend, one which is even discussed in the 50th anniversary rerelease documentary. If you want to read more about it (or about the "ghost" in the window in "Three Men and a Baby", for instance) I really do suggest checking out http://www.snopes.com/movies or just http://www.snopes.com for the background. It's amazing how many of the stories you've heard, and even the things you would swear you've seen, aren't real.
Did you know that no one has ever been killed by a malicious neighbor's Halloween candy tampering? Actually, one kid died--but he was killed by his father, not some random stranger. All of the warnings we circulate about the mean old baddies waiting to stick razor blades in the kids' apples are based on nothing, pure legend. Check it out, it's fun.
And, we come back to my original idea: tony, the hanging munchkin is another popular urban legend, one which is even discussed in the 50th anniversary rerelease documentary. If you want to read more about it (or about the "ghost" in the window in "Three Men and a Baby", for instance) I really do suggest checking out http://www.snopes.com/movies or just http://www.snopes.com for the background. It's amazing how many of the stories you've heard, and even the things you would swear you've seen, aren't real.
Did you know that no one has ever been killed by a malicious neighbor's Halloween candy tampering? Actually, one kid died--but he was killed by his father, not some random stranger. All of the warnings we circulate about the mean old baddies waiting to stick razor blades in the kids' apples are based on nothing, pure legend. Check it out, it's fun.
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Pocohantus
They (of course They - no one actually knows who these people are) that the real Pocohantus would have been about 13. Puts an interesting spot light on Smith eh?
They (of course They - no one actually knows who these people are) that the real Pocohantus would have been about 13. Puts an interesting spot light on Smith eh?
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Re: Pocohantus
Not really. In the 1600's, 13 was practically an old maid. Our modern standard of 18 as the age of consent would have been incomprehensible to John Smith and his contemporaries.
Juspar Emvan said:
Not really. In the 1600's, 13 was practically an old maid. Our modern standard of 18 as the age of consent would have been incomprehensible to John Smith and his contemporaries.
