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PandorasBachs

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I don't know what software you're using to spot AI or grammar correction software, but I submitted a story that I had previously published here under a past account and after 2 weeks of it being in the "Pending" queue it got sent back as supposedly having been AI generated. If you used software to come to that conclusion, get rid of it. What a complete waste of time to sit for 2 weeks waiting for something to get published only to have it sent back for an obviously BS reason.
 
PandorasBachs said:
Those threads, and the other AI threads, are a nightmare.
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Very true, but there are some nuggets here and there. Check any program that you're using for proofing/word choice to see if it's using AI. If you didn't use AI, then say that in the notes section and resubmit. If you have any sort of receipts to present, it's probably worth doing so on a resubmit. For example, one I'm in the final stages of proofing was started in 2019, and I can point to some evidence of that. ( including a preview in the form of an excerpt from the unedited first draft of the first chapter, which has changed very little in the interim ) Not exactly the heyday of AI.

Yeah, I write at a glacial pace — especially my fantasy work. My muse takes long vacations without so much as a by-your-leave.
 
RejectReality said:
Very true, but there are some nuggets here and there. Check any program that you're using for proofing/word choice to see if it's using AI. If you didn't use AI, then say that in the notes section and resubmit. If you have any sort of receipts to present, it's probably worth doing so on a resubmit. For example, one I'm in the final stages of proofing was started in 2019, and I can point to some evidence of that. ( including a preview in the form of an excerpt from the unedited first draft of the first chapter, which has changed very little in the interim ) Not exactly the heyday of AI.

Yeah, I write at a glacial pace — especially my fantasy work. My muse takes long vacations without so much as a by-your-leave.
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One issue there is that the stories I'm uploading now are all several years old, and most were posted here previously under a different username. The one I've having an issue with is 7 years old and there were 3 minor edits about 5 years ago. The current form is in a Google Doc and no edits have been made.

The bigger issue is that AI detection software is completely worthless at the moment with even the best of them being wrong the vast majority of the time.
 
PandorasBachs said:
One issue there is that the stories I'm uploading now are all several years old, and most were posted here previously under a different username. The one I've having an issue with is 7 years old and there were 3 minor edits about 5 years ago. The current form is in a Google Doc and no edits have been made.

The bigger issue is that AI detection software is completely worthless at the moment with even the best of them being wrong the vast majority of the time.
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Nobody really knows if Laurel is using software or just going with her gut instinct. She hasn't said anything one way or the other.

I would absolutely point out that these were previously posted under another name, and put that name in there. It's a long shot, but she may have some memory of it when jogged by a prompt.
 
RejectReality said:
Nobody really knows if Laurel is using software or just going with her gut instinct. She hasn't said anything one way or the other.

I would absolutely point out that these were previously posted under another name, and put that name in there. It's a long shot, but she may have some memory of it when jogged by a prompt.
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Might also be possible to find the old versions on the Wayback Machine: https://archive.org/web/
 
RejectReality said:
she may have some memory of it when jogged by a prompt
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Or be able to verify it via the site software itself.

If I were guessing wildly, which I guess I am, mine would be that there are AI detection tools running off the same content databases as the AI writing tools themselves, and that OP's stories were scraped into it, and that the detection tool isn't actually smart enough to tell the difference between derivative prose plagiarized from that source material by an AI writing tool, versus the original source material itself. False positive by running through the detector one of the sources it and the writing AI were both trained on in the first place.
 
Britva415 said:
Or be able to verify it via the site software itself.

If I were guessing wildly, which I guess I am, mine would be that there are AI detection tools running off the same content databases as the AI writing tools themselves, and that OP's stories were scraped into it, and that the detection tool isn't actually smart enough to tell the difference between derivative prose plagiarized from that source material by an AI writing tool, versus the original source material itself. False positive by running through the detector one of the sources it and the writing AI were both trained on in the first place.
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That's a possibility. There's even an AI marketing itself to universities now that claims it has a proprietary plagiarism detector built in. We ran a free trial of it and were able to consistently beat it within 15 minutes. Everything in the AI detection space is laughably inaccurate at this point and if it's being used it's either due to people believing the false claims about it or doing something solely to appease stakeholders.
 
Are you saying that the notion it's intelligent is ... artificial?
 
Yep, it got me too. I've used Grammarly's free basic package for years for spelling and grammar. The six previous published chapters went off with no problem then chapter seven was returned for using AI, saying I needed to have an editor read it over. I've contacted three different editors without a response so it seems they aren't interested.

I write for the fun of writing and to share my naughtiness. The use of AI would take all that away. I've never used AI and never will.

Thanks for your time.
 
I had the latest chapter in one of my stories returned twice due to 'AI'. Luckily, I found someone here to edit and read it over. I've run a free AI check program to see what I could do to improve it.

In the meantime, I've edited parts of that same series and submitted one edit on 12-15. It was approved and showed up 12-28. I have four more edits in that series before I resubmit the next chapter.

Maybe it's the time of year, a lack of moderators to review stories or some other issue. But, the turnaround time for stories is crazy.

If you look at my 'Seduction in Paradise' series, most of the turnaround times were every other day.
 
PandorasBachs said:
I don't know what software you're using to spot AI or grammar correction software, but I submitted a story that I had previously published here under a past account and after 2 weeks of it being in the "Pending" queue it got sent back as supposedly having been AI generated. If you used software to come to that conclusion, get rid of it. What a complete waste of time to sit for 2 weeks waiting for something to get published only to have it sent back for an obviously BS reason.
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I just got a story kicked back for AI use. I've been writing and editing (a lot of damn hard work) for more than 10 years. I'm beyond pissed and insulted by this. I use Grammarly to catch typos, I don't use it to generate my own thoughts and words. God. This is bullshit. Can't enjoy anything anymore. Whatever software they are using is total crap. I guess my grammar is too good now? Is that why it got rejected? Sorry, just needed to rant. What a lousy New Year gift from Lit.
 
I had a story kicked back under the accusation of AI back in November. Changed a few words, and it was posted. Now it's happened again and this time, I can't get to go through after another edit.

This is what I got in the last rejection.

  • This has been checked multiple times with multiple systems and is coming up as a high percentage AI-generated. If you are using Grammarly, ProWritingAid or a similar software, you should know that many modern writing packages incorporate AI. Using a grammar check program sparingly (as a spellcheck, to fix punctuation, review grammar, and/or occasionally as a thesaurus) should be fine. But if you are allowing a grammar check program to “rewrite” your words, that may cross the line into AI generated text/stories. Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai
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"high percentage" AI generated? So we're being tested with multiple detector tools and if it goes over a certain number, like 70% or so, that is how they prove we are using AI? That is not fair at all. These detection tools are junk and can easily be cheated.

If they are using multiple systems, then I guess anything can be labeled AI. On the other hand, this is a complete contradiction on behalf of whoever wrote this statement. They claim that Grammarly and similar software incorporate AI, but then in the next sentence, claim it's OK to use grammar check, fix punctuation and occasionally as a thesaurus. Google Chrome has it's own spellcheck and grammar functions that suggest words, so I guess that is AI too?

This is ridiculous and just going to run established authors off this site in this moral panic over AI. I know I did not use AI to write my story, or any of mine. There is no way an AI could come up with something as coherent and consistent. I have published over 200+ stories since 2015 and never dreamed this would be happening to me. I'm glad I'm not the only one, but it is so frustrating beyond belief.

What really bothers me, is that we as authors are not given a benefit of a doubt here. Instead, "multiple systems" are trusted that generate a percentage number to judge our work. Who's to say these same tools won't give a high percentage on older stories that were published years ago before the AI stuff came out? I'm positive if they ran older stories through these detection tools, stories going back as the 2000s would be flagged as AI generated.
 
Why Grammarly is even being used as an example of an AI authoring tool is perplexing to me. Grammarly will not write a story for you. It will correct grammatical mistakes and punctuation. It will suggest to the author where they may need to reconstruct sentences to flow better. Much like a teacher at school would do for you. Or a lecturer or TA in college. What it will not do is author a story for you. If you write a story outline that is 40 lines long. Guess what? Grammarly will just highlight spelling or grammar errors that you have made in those 40 lines of text. It won't author a three or four-thousand-word story for you. It won't create the characters that live in your story, or author the conversations that they have. Nor will it create the world that they inhabit on paper.

Speaking as someone who has a decade-long career in data analytics and machine learning, if you are using free AI detection tools, I can tell you they are worse than useless. The commercial tools that my company has trialed, the ones that have all the supposed bells and whistles, are garbage. They flagged documents authored in the company as AI. And we are talking about documents from the 1990's here. So if you are using free tools, they are even worse. As someone pointed out here, or in another thread, the Bill of Rights couldn't pass through those tools without knocking off the AI alarm. That should tell you all you need to know about AI "detection" tools.

What surprises me is that we've not heard from Manu, who apart from being the co-owner of the site, is the technical expert here. Perhaps, if he could shed some light on this debacle, it would help.
 
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cadeauxxx said:
This is what I got in the last rejection.
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This is probably the most interesting piece of information we got so far. Until now, all we could do was speculate how they determined what was AI-generated, and most people thought it was just Laurel reading the stories and sending everything back that she thought SOUNDED like AI...
 
OverconfidentSarcasm said:
This is probably the most interesting piece of information we got so far. Until now, all we could do was speculate how they determined what was AI-generated, and most people thought it was just Laurel reading the stories and sending everything back that she thought SOUNDED like AI...
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I'm glad I posted it then. I have been reading on here since November, and almost posted back then but didn't, after seeing that many posting about the AI rejections were mocked and belittled. I do not like it when people are told smugly to "just write better. If it's detecting AI, then you need to write better". What is good or bad writing is completely subjective, like tastes in music, movies and other entertainment. I don't agree with telling someone they need to change their writing style to appease AI detection systems that have been proven to be useless. This is like telling a musician that they need to change their written song, cause a detection tool thinks it sounds the same as another song.

That message is what I got this morning on my 3rd rejection. I tried to argue in my notes when resubmitting that it wasn't AI generated by mentioning the spellcheck software I used. So now we know they are using AI detection tools, and anyone with experience in them knows they are garbage.

As John Connors stated, Grammarly will not write a story for you. Anyone who has used Grammarly knows it cannot generate a story for you, and you can't prompt it and make it write something for you. I have a bad habit of mixing up the words 'was' and 'were' in my grammar, which is what led me to trying QuillBot as an editor. Quillbot will not write a story for you either, and it uses SFW suggestions on words, so it will try to censor the naughty words when you proofread a sex story.

Google Chrome also has a spell checker and grammar tools, and I would know since I used them from 2015-2018, but it wasn't as good as Grammarly with detecting the wrong usage of words like 'was' and 'were, and others. If Grammarly is considered AI, I guess these old tools are too.

This is so ridiculous and frustrating. I'm glad I'm not the only one going through it, but I hate it for all of us. I'm not resubmitting my story after the third rejection. I don't see the point, since multiple systems are trusted over my word, so I know I'm not going to convince the moderator or whoever rejected it.

I stand by my statement that if they were to feed old stories from the 2000s and before into their AI detection tools, they will probably come up a high percentage being AI generated.
 
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PandorasBachs said:
And today it posted.

Whew!
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Thats great to hear! I just got two more rejections, any suggests are welcome. My first story has been in limbo since 12/4 and all my DM's to the mods have only garnered canned responses.
 
This just happened to me. 🤣 I'm glad I am not the only one with this issue. The crazy thing is I actually stopped paying for Grammarly in October, so I only used the introductory spell check. I'm low-key flattered they think a computer wrote that nasty shit. 🤗 but, it was just little ole freaky me😜
 
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