Sensitive rules question

[Stimtheone]

I have come once again with advice in regards to an idea I wish to pursue. Let me start by saying I do not want to break either the letter or spirit of the rules, but include some references to something that would be against them if I were to fully describe it.

To provide context, there will be a character in the book to mention how they grew up in a casual sex society. I will not describe the scenes further than a reference and discussion about it, but the point would be that times before we might consider them "adult" they had sexual experiences. If it matters, they would be the furthest from abuse that can be if one does not automatically qualify it as such. Either way, not trying to justify it or such.

But, the final question is... can our characters mention that they had such experiences without describing them or does all implication of this need to be scrubbed?

This is merely a minor detail and it can be excluded while maintaining the story, but I feel that it is a defining trait that would still be present in the character even if they do not mention it.

TLDR: Do I need to avoid mention of acts against the rules even if I don't actually do scenes involving them?

 

[TheRedChamber]

If I'm understanding you correctly, my feelings is that you could probably say 'I grew up in this society' and 'This society has a casual attitude to sex...[details]'. Once you start getting into 'I did this when I was 16' you're on dangerous ground as would you probably be if you start to say 'It was common for 14 year olds to have sexual experiences in this society'

(Come to think about it, I'm not sure how Lit would respond to a simple statement such as 'The age of consent in the UK is 16 years old'. It seems crazy for them to ban it but I don't imagine they'd like it too much either especially if you wrote paragraph about statistically what teenagers get up to. )

I'm now thinking you might end up in a complex back and forth with the site depending on what exactly you write.

 

[onehitwanda]

But, the final question is... can our characters mention that they had such experiences without describing them or does all implication of this need to be scrubbed?

I think you're flirting with the line with this. I think it would probably come down to the implementaton.

One of my stories was sent back for a character mentioning in passing that she'd had an underage kiss. Another went through fine despite passing references to historical sexual abuse.

It really will depend on Lauren's mood, I suspect.

 

[onehitwanda]

'The age of consent in the UK is 16 years old'

It may be, but taking photos of what you get up to before you're 18 is a definite no no. So... it's complicated.

 

[Stimtheone]

Well, I expected this. But had to ask. Guess there will be the backup plan of not even giving enough detail to imply it, even as it is a detail existing in the background, like the fact that a DnD setting does casual sex. So we'll go with the backup of "Once I was old enough I pretty much started doing it with anyone I liked." and people can believe old enough to be as much as they want it to be.

Better go safe if a mere mention might get the story rejected.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

A casual, crucially non-erotic, mention of underage activity having happened, is generally OK. Any possible hint of that activity being at all erotic to the person involved or the reader: huge no-no.

I've certainly mentioned the UK AoC being 16 and characters mentioning things like 'lost my virginity because everyone said you had to, then left school at sixteen and'

But if you're mentioning growing up in a 'casual sex' society that sounds like eroticising the idea to me, and like it would appeal to readers who like the idea of young teens having sex. Ergo, a no-no on this site.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Well, I expected this. But had to ask. Guess there will be the backup plan of not even giving enough detail to imply it, even as it is a detail existing in the background, like the fact that a DnD setting does casual sex. So we'll go with the backup of "Once I was old enough I pretty much started doing it with anyone I liked." and people can believe old enough to be as much as they want it to be.

Better go safe if a mere mention might get the story rejected.

Your proposed sentence would pass, I reckon, but don't elaborate further. Vagueness works better than precision, I think. Don't write your characters "young", and you should be okay.

 

[Stimtheone]

Your proposed sentence would pass, I reckon, but don't elaborate further. Vagueness works better than precision, I think. Don't write your characters "young", and you should be okay.

I have stated them as being old enough in the story, and I can sure keep it vague. I had another story pass which if I was more explicit on a particular event it might be almost outrageous. No, it was not this, it was about acts of violence against certain people.

But the course is set. Shall not explain it.

 

[PastMaster]

I would be as circumspect as you can - the age of consent in whichever country you are - has no bearing on the rules of the site.
Saying that someone grew up in a sexually permissinve household would probably be okay - because there is nothing in that sentence that anyone underage actually was involved. ANY inferrences that someone under the age of 18 had any kind of sex, or sexual contact, or even observed thought about or discussed sex - may well get your story refused

 

[EmilyMiller]

I have come once again with advice in regards to an idea I wish to pursue. Let me start by saying I do not want to break either the letter or spirit of the rules, but include some references to something that would be against them if I were to fully describe it.

To provide context, there will be a character in the book to mention how they grew up in a casual sex society. I will not describe the scenes further than a reference and discussion about it, but the point would be that times before we might consider them "adult" they had sexual experiences. If it matters, they would be the furthest from abuse that can be if one does not automatically qualify it as such. Either way, not trying to justify it or such.

But, the final question is... can our characters mention that they had such experiences without describing them or does all implication of this need to be scrubbed?

This is merely a minor detail and it can be excluded while maintaining the story, but I feel that it is a defining trait that would still be present in the character even if they do not mention it.

TLDR: Do I need to avoid mention of acts against the rules even if I don't actually do scenes involving them?

I inadvertently implied that I masturbated before my 18th birthday, when of course this never ever happened to me or any other human, and got pinged on it. Rules are rules and Laurel and Manu bear a lot of risk giving us a platform. So fair enough IMO.

Em

 

[nice90sguy]

From one of my posted stories:

From the depths of Waldo's subconscious an erotic childhood memory popped into his head: He was in the schoolyard with "Teeny Tina", a brainy, geeky girl who everyone teased, including him, but who had a crush on him. Waldo was showing her his WWF moves. He'd ended up straddling her, pinioning her arms with his knees. It had given him a boner then. It was the earliest memory he had of being turned on.

In another story I made it clear that the heroine had been been a victim of child-abuse by her older brother's friend and her family butler (she says so), but merely alluded to the events:

Ginny got up and came over. She tousled Rosie's hair." Beautiful girl. Isn't she beautiful, Matt?" She kissed Rosie on the forehead. Rosie smelled tobacco and patchouli on her hair.

Ginny beckoned to Matt." Come on, let's go back up."

No. Stay here with me.

"Ok. In a minute. I'm going to hang out here with Rosie for a bit."

Rosie retorted, "Mrs Lamb wants to see your skinny hairy legs. Now."

"With the greatest respect, I very much doubt that, Miss. Besides, there is a distinct chill wind today".

"If you don't do it now, I'll turn you into a frog!"

"Perhaps later, Miss." Perhaps when Mrs Lamb's asleep and you're all tucked up in bed, Miss.

 

[Athalia]

From one of my stories, "Hot Tub Service Girl." Two ladies are in the hot tub, testing out the jets:

"Then let me show you something." I positioned myself so that my crotch was just in front of one of the jets. "Just let it run on your pussy. See, you can spread your pussy lips and get more pressure, or close them and get less. You can also move forward or backward." I demonstrated as I talked. "And look, you can pull your clittie hood up and let it beat right on your clit when you want."

"Ooh, let me try! Does it work?"

"Oh, yeah! I've been getting myself off this way for ages. My parents never caught on."

Since the speaker is in her first year in college, the inference is that she's been masturbating long before that. But the story passed. I gave it a lot of thought, and asked some of the others on the forum about it, before I posted the story.

 

[EmilyMiller]

From one of my stories, "Hot Tub Service Girl." Two ladies are in the hot tub, testing out the jets:

"Then let me show you something." I positioned myself so that my crotch was just in front of one of the jets. "Just let it run on your pussy. See, you can spread your pussy lips and get more pressure, or close them and get less. You can also move forward or backward." I demonstrated as I talked. "And look, you can pull your clittie hood up and let it beat right on your clit when you want."

"Ooh, let me try! Does it work?"

"Oh, yeah! I've been getting myself off this way for ages. My parents never caught on."

Since the speaker is in her first year in college, the inference is that she's been masturbating long before that. But the story passed. I gave it a lot of thought, and asked some of the others on the forum about it, before I posted the story.

That was kinda what I did. My story was set a few days after my 18th. But I mentioned that my vibrator had been a friend for many years (or some such). I guess it just depends.

Em

 

[Duleigh]

I have two characters that were raped as teenagers, I just mentioned that it happened and didn't include any details other than the emotional trauma that it caused and there was no problem with getting the story posted.

 

[AlexBailey]

The best info the OP can possibly get for her question is in Ogg’s stickied post.

You shouldn’t bother with any other questions until you’ve read this:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/simple-answer-to-queries-about-lits-under-18-rule.1545753/