Seeking Advice - German Literotica Community Facing Mass AI Rejections

[ChloeTzang]

As it did for me - and that is why I move on. Because, in the end, no one here could really help me. I have accepted that. I had a good time here at Lit, two wonderful years. Many encouraging comments, over a hundred followers, which is - as I only wrote erotic sci-fi, not that popular on the german side of LIT, is (at least for me), quite an achievement. I won't be able to gain new readers here at Lit, because I'll let them delete all my stories here - except the last one, which is erotic, but also an explanation, why I left. With a hint to my followers, likers and commenters, about the new whereabouts of my stories...

Sorry to hear that - would it be worth using the Feedback Form / Bug Report option first and at least waiting to see if it's addressed that way

 

[Djinn68]

Updated my steps to reflect that

But you omitted the part about the germans

 

[ChloeTzang]

But you omitted the part about the germans

Ag nie, manne!

Corrected!

 

[jsmiam]

I wish I could talk about it more. I really, really do. What I understand about Lit's AI detector, though, cannot be discussed openly. Explaining how you fail the test gives away the test, and leaves Lit in an extremely vulnerable position.

Write it yourself. Edit it yourself (or get another person you trust to edit your work). Submit what you wrote. Fixing something that has already failed the test is difficult to do when you don't understand the criteria.

I'm sorry that my advice is so basic, but it really is the only way.

I do think you owe it to the people who go to your help desk thread to be as forthcoming there as you’ve been here (including subsequent posts). Even a disclaimer on every post you make. I don’t believe you say all the things there that you say here.

Nonetheless, changing subjects, this deserves to be bolded: “if your writing tool offers the end of a sentence to you in this day and age, it’s AI.” So turn that feature off.

Auto-spell check for the one single word you are currently typing (assuming it’s the word you meant) is all you should accept.

But this is a side topic to the OP’s quandary. Lit is falling apart and we should all stop apologizing for it.

 

[Djinn68]

Sorry to hear that - would it be worth using the Feedback Form / Bug Report option first and at least waiting to see if it's addressed that way

I tried it all:

• Feedback Form
• Resubmitting with the assurance that every single word was written by a human being
• PMd Laurel - imploring

To no avail. No answer. The 5th part of an elaborate series, a cooperation with another german author, who writes his own story, in the same imaginary universe, with planned crossovers. 100ds of hours of brainstorming, working on worldbuilding - for naught. Rejected...

Sorry, I do not feel welcome here anymore.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I do think you owe it to the people who go to your help desk thread to be as forthcoming there as you’ve been here (including subsequent posts). Even a disclaimer on every post you make. I don’t believe you say all the things there that you say here.

My AI rejection thread is only for people who used AI on purpose, for whatever reason, and want to walk it back. It is not for false positives.

That being said, I don’t owe anyone anything. I'm just one person, and I'm doing my best. That's what you get, and you can like it or not.

Lit is falling apart and we should all stop apologizing for it.

The submission delays and author notification feed problems (which I think are related but that is pure guesswork on my part) are unrelated to AI rejections.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I tried it all:

• Feedback Form
• Resubmitting with the assurance that every single word was written by a human being
• PMd Laurel - imploring

To no avail. No answer. The 5th part of an elaborate series, a cooperation with another german author, who writes his own story, in the same imaginary universe, with planned crossovers. 100ds of hours of brainstorming, working on worldbuilding - for naught. Rejected...

Sorry, I do not feel welcome here anymore.

PM'd you

 

[jsmiam]

…That's what you get, and you can like it or not….

Exactly. I don’t like people who aren’t forthcoming.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Exactly. I don’t like people who aren’t forthcoming.

I get that I have painted this target on myself. I didn't need to say anything about my understanding of Lit's AI detector. You can be annoyed with how I conduct myself, and that's fine. That's your right.

Until @Laurel decides to weigh in, I'm all you have.

 

[jsmiam]

…Until @Laurel decides to weigh in, I'm all you have.

As far as people keeping you honest (trying, anyway) I guess that makes me all you have too!

 

[millamomud]

On a side note:

I really do appreciate and admire your patient and calm demeanor in this discussion, although we Germans are Stil no step closer to a solution to our problem. @AwkwardMD

 

[AwkwardMD]

On a side note:

I really do appreciate and admire your patient and calm demeanor in this discussion,although we Germans are slno step closer to a solution to our problem. @AwkwardMD

I am truly sorry about that. I suspect, based on my interactions with Djinn before and what little I translated from the thread I was pinged in yesterday and the day before, you lot have tribal knowledged yourselves into a fail state by explaining and combining your processes.

I suspect that all of the stories you are all worried about are functionally toxic, and that your best bets (for now) would be to shelf those works and write something new. I do not make that suggestion lightly, as I know I would be devastated to lose a week's (or a month's) worth of work. However, Literotica is a better site for all of the variety and complexity of voices, in every language.

I hope not everyone gives up.

 

[AwkwardMD]

As far as people keeping you honest (trying, anyway) I guess that makes me all you have too!

In my day job I work for a medical device company that makes [blank]. I don’t make [blank], I do calibrations. I spend my time checking calipers and micrometers and thread gages and pressure gages and thermometers. I schedule the specialists to come and check our CMMs. I have a spectrophotometer for measuring color.

I enable everyone else to be able to do their job with confidence and accuracy. That's how I view my attempts to keep some measure of calm around AI rejections.

 

[millamomud]

I am truly sorry about that. I suspect, based on my interactions with Djinn before and what little I translated from the thread I was pinged in yesterday and the day before, you lot have tribal knowledged yourselves into a fail state by explaining and combining your processes.

I suspect that all of the stories you are all worried about are functionally toxic, and that your best bets (for now) would be to shelf those works and write something new. I do not make that suggestion lightly, as I know I would be devastated to lose a week's (or a month's) worth of work. However, Literotica is a better site for all of the variety and complexity of voices, in every language.

I hope not everyone gives up.

What bugs me how a fifth or ninth chapter, pasted from. The same document could possibly be rejected, when all the other chapters were deemed safe.

If there was a problem, it surely would already be present in chapter one, wouldn't it?

 

[AwkwardMD]

What bugs me how a fifth or ninth chapter, pasted from. The same document could possibly be rejected, when all the other chapters were deemed safe.

If there was a problem, it surely would already be present in chapter one, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily. The AI detector can only scan what you put in front of it, and the content can only be checked in isolation.

You might have more luck submitting the whole thing.

 

[millamomud]

Not necessarily. The AI detector can only scan what you put in front of it, and the content can only be checked in isolation.

You might have more luck submitting the whole thing.

Yeah, that’s something I have been thinking about too, pulling all the chapters and re-submitting them as one big pile

If the detector really checks each submission in isolation, that might actually help, since the full context and style are more coherent across a longer piece?

Initially I was not sure if it’s worth the effort, though I'll think about it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I have no faith in automated "AI detectors" and I don't think Literotica's "solution" to this issue is a good one, but I'm not sure good solutions exist - at least none that are possible without massively re-engineering the way Lit works, and I doubt L&M have the spoons for that.

When you hear the techbro slogan "move fast and break things", what goes unspoken is that they mean breaking other people's things. Not their own. Literotica is one of those things. Anger over this situation should be directed accordingly.

 

[Britva415]

The problem is you have to get it past the AI Rejection to get it to Laurel with a note to admin.

What do you mean by "get it past?"

I can't tell if you mean get an approval and get it published, I j which case there's no reason to write a note, or if you mean get a rejection notice which cites suspected AI use, or if you mean escaping the Indefinitely Long Pending glitch.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What do you mean by "get it past?"

I can't tell if you mean get an approval and get it published, I j which case there's no reason to write a note, or if you mean get a rejection notice which cites suspected AI use, or if you mean escaping the Indefinitely Long Pending glitch.

For the AI rejection notice - those are generated automatically, so when you resubmit, a Note to Admin may or may not be seen by Laurel but it;s worth trying if you can. From what was said, this may not be possible in German, not sure why. In that case, using the Feedback Form and a Bug Report is the next step.

For the Pending glitch where it stays in pending for a long time, what seems to work is to Delete and resubmit. If THAT does not work, delete and resubmit with a Note to Admin explaining.

 

[ChloeTzang]

After getting a rejection the first step is to resubmit with a note to the admin saying "I did not use AI to write this"

Unfortunately, that step is functionally useless to the Germans asking for help. I think non-English reviews are beyond Laurel's abilities.

Question: Are you saying "functionally useless" because that step is not available, or because you could still submit with a note but the story is in German and Laurel has no ability to read German and verify for herself?

 

[jsmiam]

In my day job I work for a medical device company that makes [blank]. I don’t make [blank], I do calibrations. I spend my time checking calipers and micrometers and thread gages and pressure gages and thermometers. I schedule the specialists to come and check our CMMs. I have a spectrophotometer for measuring color.

I enable everyone else to be able to do their job with confidence and accuracy. That's how I view my attempts to keep some measure of calm around AI rejections.

Ironically we basically agree on AI. And in many cases it’s the seemingly innocuous act of accepting sentence completions from word processors and/or accepting sentence rewrites from grammar checkers that is the gotcha for many but not all people. Or not realizing their shiny new computer may do it almost invisibly.

It’s you saying you don’t owe disclosure of anything you say, when you say so much, is what I disagree with. And you’ve said a few contradictory things on this topic over time.

I don’t see that as controversial. It seems like the accurate thing to do.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Ironically we basically agree on AI. And in many cases it’s the seemingly innocuous act of accepting sentence completions from word processors and/or accepting sentence rewrites from grammar checkers that is the gotcha for many but not all people. Or not realizing their shiny new computer may do it almost invisibly.

It’s you saying you don’t owe disclosure of anything you say, when you say so much, is what I disagree with. And you’ve said a few contradictory things on this topic over time.

I don’t see that as controversial. It seems like the accurate thing to do.

Okay

 

[Djinn68]

I have no faith in automated "AI detectors" and I don't think Literotica's "solution" to this issue is a good one, but I'm not sure good solutions exist - at least none that are possible without massively re-engineering the way Lit works, and I doubt L&M have the spoons for that.

When you hear the techbro slogan "move fast and break things", what goes unspoken is that they mean breaking other people's things. Not their own. Literotica is one of those things. Anger over this situation should be directed accordingly.

Like every other tool in human history, AI can bei used for good or for bad purposes. You "could" kill a person with a fork - but you wouldn't blame the "forkbro-company" producing the item for that, would you?

To be honest: AI has made my life easier: At work, as well as writing my stories. Just to clarify: I write every single word of my stories myself, but I do use AI for research, analysis, feedback.

If there is one constant in the universe, then it's change. We all need to adapt to new situations, including technologies. So does Lit.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Like every other tool in human history, AI can bei used for good or for bad purposes. You "could" kill a person with a fork - but you wouldn't blame the "forkbro-company" producing the item for that, would you?

If the forkbros designed a fork whose prongs were just the right size and shape to fit in a power socket, and then ran ads showing happy people sticking forks in power sockets without anything bad happening, I do actually think it'd be reasonable to blame the forkbro company when people start getting electrocuted. Even if there were applications for which these forks were somewhat better than existing fork technology, I think it'd be reasonable to consider it a net harm to society.

That's approximately where we are with AI marketing. If it were only being marketed for the purposes that it's actually fit for, I'd have much less issue with it. But if it were only marketed for those purposes, the manufacturers would go broke, so they mislead people about what it is and isn't fit for.

To be honest: AI has made my life easier: At work, as well as writing my stories. Just to clarify: I write every single word of my stories myself, but I do use AI for research, analysis, feedback.

Case in point: AI is garbage for those purposes. We've discussed the problems repeatedly on this forum. Here's an example I provided last time around:



There are no less than three errors in Google's answer to this very simple question. (Or two if one interprets the question as asking about elements which have four different letters in their name.) Why would anybody trust story feedback from a bot that can't reliably count to four?

Earlier, I asked GPT to "write a three-paragraph literature review on the scientific evidence for the effects of smoking, following Harvard citation style, and including all cited sources". What it gave me looked plausible enough, but when I checked the sources it cited, all but one of them were fake. That's not an isolated issue; quite a few lawyers have come unstuck using AIs to draft filings, only to get disciplined for submitting fake case citations or misrepresenting real ones.

Various attempts have been made to make LLMs less prone to this sort of thing, but it's still a major problem because the problem they're designed to solve isn't one of analysis or understanding; it's about producing text that looks like a human might have written it.

So at the end of the day what we have is...a slightly easier-to-use search engine that lies quite a bit and makes it really easy for people to generate untrustworthy-but-convincing content at high volume.

If there is one constant in the universe, then it's change. We all need to adapt to new situations, including technologies. So does Lit.

Jumping in the sea would also be "change", and yet the Sam Altmans of the world are mysteriously reluctant to embrace that particular situation. Maybe when they do I'll be more enthusiastic about AI.

 

[Djinn68]

As if misleading marketing was exclusively done by tech-companies... and you said it right there:

makes it really easy for people to generate untrustworthy-but-convincing content at high volume.

It's not the tech. It's the people using it. AI is not inherently good or bad. Is it a flawless tool? Far from it! Can it be useful? Yes, definetely. Do people still need to think for themselves? YES!

You don't need to be enthusiastic about AI. You simply need to acknowledge that it is not going away anytime soon, instead of playing the blame-game.