Secrets of writing for NonConsent/Reluctance

[BuckyDuckman]

I need some help/suggestions with how to write for the NonConsent/Reluctance category without it coming across as rape. To me, no means no - so how do you write around that idea? Any advice?

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I need some help/suggestions with how to write for the NonConsent/Reluctance category without it coming across as rape. To me, no means no - so how do you write around that idea? Any advice?

Write in a different category?

The only ones I seem to see is "Husband decides to arrange wife's rapey-kink with some friends" "Fellas decide to rape, but girl is secretly thrilled"

If you want to go really nuts, you could involve blackmail. Or have it be a female CEO bullying a timid male secretary if you want to switcharoo the genders and make it somehow less rapey.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

One popular way to do it is to use the role-play rape fantasy angle. I've read a few where a woman is assaulted, either does or does not fight back, but either way the perpetrator accomplishes his objective. At the end, it is revealed that the perp. is her husband, and they had planned the whole thing. Personally, I find this approach kind of lame, but I know for a fact that there are many others who like it.

Personally, I prefer the Non-con/Reluctance stories where the emphasis is on reluctance, rather than non-consent. I will read stories where sex is the only way out of a bad situation. Blackmail is the obvious and most overdone example, but there are others that work just as well, such as workplace power disparities, economic stress, or any other situation that can be described as desperation.

 

[sr71plt]

Any advice?

Yes. Why try to write it if you can't enjoy it or rationalize the category in your own mind?

 

[PennLady]

Yes. Why try to write it if you can't enjoy it or rationalize the category in your own mind?

Maybe he's just curious and is looking to try something different.

 

[sr71plt]

Maybe he's just curious and is looking to try something different.

Perhaps. But the weakest of beginnings of a writer in doing this is to ask a committee for ideas. It's always at that point that I ask "Why the hell do you think you need to do this--especially by having others do the work for you?"

 

[PennLady]

Perhaps. But the weakest of beginnings of a writer in doing this is to ask a committee for ideas. It's always at that point that I ask "Why the hell do you think you need to do this--especially by having others do the work for you?"

Point taken, but I think sometimes it helps to hear what other people think. A thought from someone else might shake loose something in the original questioner's mind.

And actually one thing I forgot to say was that he should read other stories in the category. That's the best way to see what other authors do and how they deal with various issues.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Yes. Why try to write it if you can't enjoy it or rationalize the category in your own mind?

He didn't say that he didn't enjoy it or that he couldn't rationalize the category. Rather, he asked for advice on how to write a story that fit within the parameters of the category yet didn't venture into an area he wanted to avoid. I think asking and receiving advice is one of the purposes of this forum.

As for the reason why he asked, that's best left up to him. But often, others on this board encourage writers to try things with which they are unfamiliar in order to stretch their boundaries. Maybe he's trying to write something for the survivor contest. Or maybe he wrote something that didn't go over well, and he's trying to get a sense of what other writers in that category have found those readers to prefer. I can't answer for him, but it is certainly a valid question to ask in this forum.

 

[sr71plt]

sometimes it helps to hear what other people think.

Yep. And I was saying what I think. One rarely writes effectively by starting off asking a committee for ideas or how to do it.

(I say "rarely," because John Jakes did just that--and James Michener sort of did it too.)

I see no reason why he shouldn't have this food for thought along with all of the "Here, I'll do your work for you" responses.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

It's genuinely so fun reading all the conjecture that I'm reluctant to comment.

Yes. Why try to write it if you can't enjoy it or rationalize the category in your own mind?

Filling in blanks on the Survivor Contest. Didn't suggest I can't enjoy writing in this direction, just looking for suggestions on staying within Lit's "no rape stories" guidelines.

Maybe he's just curious and is looking to try something different.

Ding, ding, ding! Bob, tell the lady what she's won! That's why I joined the Survivor Contest - as a way to challenge myself to consider new subject matter. For example, "incest/taboo" is an area I would have avoided, but once I got over the hump, I found it to be a fascinating topic.

Perhaps. But the weakest of beginnings of a writer in doing this is to ask a committee for ideas. It's always at that point that I ask "Why the hell do you think you need to do this--especially by having others do the work for you?"

Ding, ding, ding! Bob, tell the man what he's won!

Okay, not quite. I am guilty of taking a shortcut by tossing out the question than doing any research. Felt faster to ask the community of writers in the AH forum. They're friendly folks. They'll offer a few suggestions. And, they have (for which I'm grateful).

Point taken, but I think sometimes it helps to hear what other people think. A thought from someone else might shake loose something in the original questioner's mind.

Ah, wise one! Take another spin on the prize wheel!

I see no reason why he shouldn't have this food for thought along with all of the "Here, I'll do your work for you" responses.

Point taken, though I do appreciate the suggestions I've received so far. I'm guilty of using the AH forum as a shortcut - but that doesn't lessen my appreciation for the replies.

Be well!

 

[Stella_Omega]

It occurs to me that I could manage reluctance/non-con if I made both partners reluctant.

But I doubt the readers of that category would like that very much.

 

[lovecraft68]

Thing is to me non/con and reluctance are completely different.

Reluctance is just that, the person initially has some reservations. These are typically sleazy type scenarios such as say a coed who is short on the rent and the landlord says he'll let her ride if she'll ride so to speak.

Its still sleazy and maybe a little coerced but the coercion is more the scenario than the person. Its okay you can take it or leave it then the girl(or it could be a guy) wrestles with it and goes through with it. Most stories I've read the other party at some point gets into it,

My story Sweet reluctance is along those line sif you want to check it out

http://www.literotica.com/s/sweet-reluctance

Now the thing with non consent is by definition it is rape. No means no and it happens anyway. You can still give it a shot with the other party taken forcefully initially, but you have to have them begin to enjoy it or its rape.

That last part is a paraphrasing lits very vague and never enforced rape rule. It is not really all that vague-has to be consent somewhere at some point-but it really is never enforced. Testimony to that can be found in all the rape stories here.

But for you seeing you're in my school of no means no, but you;re still looking to try out the category give the sleaze angle a shot. My story did fairly well over there so you don;t need to write rape to be well received over there. In fact when I have found actual rape stories many comments are flaming it.

But there are the sickos who like it and they might low vote you, but in the end you should be writing it for you.

Just be aware of the vast difference between the two. Because the thing is even "no" through 90% of the story and "oh, yes" through the last 10% still goes to reluctance.

Non consent is pure rape. despite the sites best efforts to talk out of both sides of their mouth on the subject

 

[lovecraft68]

It occurs to me that I could manage reluctance/non-con if I made both partners reluctant.

But I doubt the readers of that category would like that very much.

Interesting, maybe a whack job with money to burn tells two people he'll help them out, but he wants to watch them have sex. Maybe they don;t even like each other.

Maybe business partners in need of a loan to secure a big job and the guy with the money comes up with that little trick.

It could be fun, but would be tricky to write.

 

[PennLady]

Yep. And I was saying what I think. One rarely writes effectively by starting off asking a committee for ideas or how to do it.

(I say "rarely," because John Jakes did just that--and James Michener sort of did it too.)

I see no reason why he shouldn't have this food for thought along with all of the "Here, I'll do your work for you" responses.

Again, point taken, but I didn't see the OP as a request for anyone to do work for him. I just saw a request for opinions, experience, etc.

 

[sr71plt]

Reluctance is just that, the person initially has some reservations. . .

Its still sleazy and maybe a little coerced but the coercion is more the scenario than the person.

I don't agree that sleazy is required for reluctance. Reluctance is simply some form of inhibition--at that time--to do something. A reluctance story can be something the receiver has thought about and been curious about and even planned to do when they got up the courage, and all it required was a push over a barrier. Doesn't even have to be a high barrier. The "push" that puts the receiver over the barrier can be encouragement--or even their own dropping of their inhibitions. It doesn't have to involve coercion at all. Sleazy isn't ipso facto married to reluctance at all--or coercion. This is prejudicial/shallow thinking.

 

[sr71plt]

Again, point taken, but I didn't see the OP as a request for anyone to do work for him. I just saw a request for opinions, experience, etc.

Well, then, he's admitted it was--so I guess I read him correctly.

 

[lovecraft68]

Again, point taken, but I didn't see the OP as a request for anyone to do work for him. I just saw a request for opinions, experience, etc.

....

 

[sr71plt]

It occurs to me that I could manage reluctance/non-con if I made both partners reluctant.

But I doubt the readers of that category would like that very much.

I did that with a story called "Shell Shocked" (Which I later, embarrassingly, without remembering the earlier one, nearly duplicated with "Day the Earth Moved.") Both were well received, according to the comments.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

It occurs to me that I could manage reluctance/non-con if I made both partners reluctant.

But I doubt the readers of that category would like that very much.

I wrote one that way, and it was actually rather successful. The Cunt of Monte Cristo. In my story, they were alternately reluctant. I think the greater feat would be to make them reluctant at the same time.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You both have allayed my fears

 

[sr71plt]

You both have allayed my fears

Now that I think about it, I think that was the premise of writing the story--what would work if both were reluctant?

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't agree that sleazy is required for reluctance. Reluctance is simply some form of inhibition--at that time--to do something. A reluctance story can be something the receiver has thought about and been curious about and even planned to do when they got up the courage, and all it required was a push over a barrier. Doesn't even have to be a high barrier. The "push" that puts the receiver over the barrier can be encouragement--or even their own dropping of their inhibitions. It doesn't have to involve coercion at all. Sleazy isn't ipso facto married to reluctance at all--or coercion. This is prejudicial/shallow thinking.

I'll rephrase that to my take on it always goes with the sleaze factor. Done a lot of role plays along those lines so its what I tend to go with.

Things where as you say it takes a little "push" to cross the line I kind of think of as more "curiosity" tempered with some nervousness. The first time I ever let a woman tie me up, I was a little hesitant, that thought of "Hey, I really will be helpless here" crossed my mind, but I don't I was reluctant, I was just unsure.

Reluctant, to me, denotes you really don;t want to, but know you have to.

Just my take on it.

 

[PennLady]

Well, then, he's admitted it was--so I guess I read him correctly.

Well, perhaps a little tomayto/tomahto there. He said he was looking to shortcut on research and so he asked here instead. I don't consider that doing work for anyone; after all, you don't have to answer the question. I've done the same myself, and recently, when I asked for suggestions on what kind of job a person might have, other than a teacher, that puts them around children on a regular basis. I was drawing a blank, and I'm not good at researching that sort of thing. I got some good responses that helped me out.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wrote one that way, and it was actually rather successful. The Cunt of Monte Cristo. In my story, they were alternately reluctant. I think the greater feat would be to make them reluctant at the same time.

Sounds like the last few times I had sex with my ex wife. By then we'd pretty much had it with each other, but neither would pull the trigger and leave and one does have needs after a while..... sigh.

 

[PennLady]

Reluctant, to me, denotes you really don;t want to, but know you have to.

Just my take on it.

Not unreasonable, but not true in every reluctance case. You may be reluctant to try a certain type of food, but then you do it and find out you like it (or not). That's one type of reluctance, anyway.

Maybe coercion needs to be a third side of non-con/reluctance.