SCOTUS rules in favor of Little Sisters of the Poor in ObamaCare contraception case

[Rightguide]

2 dissenters, both citing the minimal cost of contraceptives are a basis to overturn moral beliefs.

As if morals are based on money...

Leftist ideology before truth, justice, law, and logic.

 

[chillywilly2]

But US Supreme Court decision 7-2, they get to opt out.

But you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ the OP's linky instead of just shooting off your keyboard.

I read what he posted...followed too many shit links in here to click on it.

so..your country is fucked..thats what I figured

so does the government step in and cover it for the people employed there that are being screwed?

 

[FlowersForFun]

It's the authoritarian father complex: Do as I say, not as I do.

And they either refuse to acknowledge it or they don't actually see it.

I’m not losing anything. However I do believe the decision should have been 9-0 the other way. Call me inflexible on church/state issues.

You support state authority to violate freedom of religion for the sake of economic equity, yes we know.

THAT is yet another in a long list of examples of why you're a leftist, NOT a liberal.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8b9888847b83fe4abae950e3ec8a2a42/tumblr_mgowsmuHcL1s2ofm8o1_r1_500.gif

 

[FlowersForFun]

Leftist ideology before truth, justice, law, and logic.

Adre is no doubt a Biden voter.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBeTLhlXsAEc6Ad.jpg

 

[Adre]

Which is basically my point here.

You believe that your personal opinion is the one that controls EVERYTHING. Except that's not how it works. Not in ANY country on this planet.

Their beliefs are not required to conform to your opinions. Nor are their beliefs required to be based on monetary cost.

YOU and they believe religious principles trump individual access to health services commonly available in this country. Seems you’re the authoritarian here.

 

[HisArpy]

All Catholic medical organization cannot ** BY DOGMA ** participate in birth control of any sort whether it be abortion or contraceptives.

At it's core, religion attempts to control the base instincts of mankind in order to lift us up from our animalistic natures. Religion was used to establish "social norms" to control the conduct of people. One of the controls to do that is to limit intercourse to reproduction rather than giving in to the base instinct of just fucking for the purpose of fucking and fuck the consequences.

Sex is free, fun, and enjoyable. In the days of no or poor contraception, it led to an exploding birthrate that the community couldn't support. That was bad for society and caused needless death and social instability.

Today, with readily available birth control and abortion, sex doesn't lead to that end (in most cases) but that doesn't change the strictures that, at the core, established the religion and it's values. Control thyself are 2 words that can be found in just about everything in religion if you condense the language enough.

And, if that's your foundational guiding principle, forcing you to SUPPORT the licentiousness of others as part of your employment practices would be anathema.

 

[HisArpy]

YOU and they believe religious principles trump individual access to health services commonly available in this country. Seems you’re the authoritarian here.

It's not authoritarian to allow people to CHOOSE their path in life.

 

[Adre]

It's not authoritarian to allow people to CHOOSE their path in life.

If that path determines the rights of others, yes it is authoritarian.

 

[icanhelp1]

And they either refuse to acknowledge it or they don't actually see it.




You support state authority to violate freedom of religion for the sake of economic equity, yes we know.

THAT is yet another in a long list of examples of why you're a leftist, NOT a liberal.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8b9888847b83fe4abae950e3ec8a2a42/tumblr_mgowsmuHcL1s2ofm8o1_r1_500.gif

Atheist leftist don't recognize religious freedom only the freedom granted by the state, they're ok with killing babies, contraceptives are an insignificant matter.

 

[HisArpy]

I read what he posted...followed too many shit links in here to click on it.

so..your country is fucked..thats what I figured

so does the government step in and cover it for the people employed there that are being screwed?

No one is forcing them to work for the church-based employer. If they want benefits that suit them and their lifestyle better they're more than capable of finding employment elsewhere.

"At will" and all that jazz.

 

[Adre]

Atheist leftist don't recognize religious freedom only the freedom granted by the state, they're ok with killing babies, contraceptives are an insignificant matter.

Oh, the old rubbers kill babies lunacy.

 

[HisArpy]

If that path determines the rights of others, yes it is authoritarian.

^ someone doesn't understand what the word "authoritarian" means.

 

[Rightguide]

YOU and they believe religious principles trump individual access to health services commonly available in this country. Seems you’re the authoritarian here.

No, they believe the First Amendment protects them from government overreach, that is, the government asserting authority unauthorized by the Constitution.

 

[icanhelp1]

At it's core, religion attempts to control the base instincts of mankind in order to lift us up from our animalistic natures. Religion was used to establish "social norms" to control the conduct of people. One of the controls to do that is to limit intercourse to reproduction rather than giving in to the base instinct of just fucking for the purpose of fucking and fuck the consequences.

Sex is free, fun, and enjoyable. In the days of no or poor contraception, it led to an exploding birthrate that the community couldn't support. That was bad for society and caused needless death and social instability.

Today, with readily available birth control and abortion, sex doesn't lead to that end (in most cases) but that doesn't change the strictures that, at the core, established the religion and it's values. Control thyself are 2 words that can be found in just about everything in religion if you condense the language enough.

And, if that's your foundational guiding principle, forcing you to SUPPORT the licentiousness of others as part of your employment practices would be anathema.

In a marriage*** Fucking for the sake of fucking is encouraged*** by the Catholic church. It is the foundation for the creation of the family unit... which is in it's own right the lowest level of government... has deteriorated through time. As the family unit dissolves so goes the moral fabric of our society. Secularism is antithetical to a healthy God fearing society, the proof is in our urban culture where there are no rules and where contraceptives, abortion and lack of self control flourish to the detriment of our cities. If you're looking for a good use for the word *** systemic*** it's not systemic racism that's the problem, it's the systemic failure of the family unit that is at the core of the demise of our urban communities.

 

[FlowersForFun]

If that path determines the rights of others, yes it is authoritarian.

LMFAO!!

^ someone doesn't understand what the word "authoritarian" means.

He doesn't seem to understand what authority in it's most basic sense of the term is.

No wonder the guy who almost ALWAYS supports forcing people to toe that "progressive" line under threat of violence by the state (what Adre explicitly supports in this case and many others) thinks he's a liberal.

Which means he doesn't understand why that makes actual liberals laugh so hard

 

[chillywilly2]

At it's core, religion attempts to control the base instincts of mankind in order to lift us up from our animalistic natures. Religion was used to establish "social norms" to control the conduct of people. One of the controls to do that is to limit intercourse to reproduction rather than giving in to the base instinct of just fucking for the purpose of fucking and fuck the consequences.

Sex is free, fun, and enjoyable. In the days of no or poor contraception, it led to an exploding birthrate that the community couldn't support. That was bad for society and caused needless death and social instability.

Today, with readily available birth control and abortion, sex doesn't lead to that end (in most cases) but that doesn't change the strictures that, at the core, established the religion and it's values. Control thyself are 2 words that can be found in just about everything in religion if you condense the language enough.

And, if that's your foundational guiding principle, forcing you to SUPPORT the licentiousness of others as part of your employment practices would be anathema.

So you believe religions should run the country.
Can you say which ones you want most or are they all equal

 

[FlowersForFun]

Secularism is antithetical to a healthy God fearing society, the proof is in our urban culture where there are no rules and where contraceptives, abortion and lack of self control flourish to the detriment of our cities.

It's also absolutely required for a prosperous and free society.

 

[FlowersForFun]

So you believe religions should run the country.

Where did he even suggest that??

Do you even read bro??

 

[icanhelp1]

LMFAO!!



He doesn't seem to understand what authority in it's most basic sense of the term is.

No wonder the guy who almost ALWAYS supports forcing people to toe that "progressive" line under threat of violence by the state (what Adre explicitly supports in this case and many others) thinks he's a liberal.

Which means he doesn't understand why that makes actual liberals laugh so hard

When was the distribution of contraceptive made a right?

 

[FlowersForFun]

When was the distribution of contraceptive made a right?

AFAIK it wasn't.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's also absolutely required for a prosperous and free society.

The separation of church and state is essential but when secularism attempts to overpower religious freedom... which is happening as we speak... we fail to be a healthy society. There's not much difference in today's secular and agnostic. IMHO

 

[FlowersForFun]

The separation of church and state is essential but when secularism attempts to overpower religious freedom... which is happening as we speak... we fail to be a healthy society. There's not much difference in today's secular and agnostic. IMHO

That I agree with, you can't let secularism become the religion of the state...as Adre so desperately wishes it was so that it could be forced upon all.

 

[chillywilly2]

Where did he even suggest that??

Do you even read bro??

Thats what he said...church trumps state
Government mandated that contraception is part of health care that employers must pay for and the church said fuck you, we ain't paying and he agrees with it so

 

[chillywilly2]

That I agree with, you can't let secularism become the religion of the state...as Adre so desperately wishes it was so that it could be forced upon all.

Trump wishes it was too...lunatic

 

[icanhelp1]

Thats what he said...church trumps state
Government mandated that contraception is part of health care that employers must pay for and the church said fuck you, we ain't paying and he agrees with it so

Government can't force any one or entity to go against their religious belief 1st A
and *yes* Religious belief trump's state mandate as stated by SCOTUS

"Religious liberty is a foundational principle of enduring importance in America, enshrined in our Constitution and other sources of federal law. As James Madison explained in his Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, the free exercise of religion “is in its nature an unalienable right” because the duty owed to one's Creator “is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.” [1] liberty is not merely a right to personal religious beliefs or even to in a sacred place. It also encompasses religious observance and practice. Except in the narrowest circumstances, no one should be forced to choose between living out his or her faith and complying with the law. Therefore, to the greatest extent practicable and permitted by law, religious observance and practice should be reasonably accommodated in all government activity, including employment, contracting, and programming. The following twenty principles should guide administrative agencies and executive departments in carrying out this task. These principles should be understood and interpreted in light of the legal analysis set forth in the appendix to this memorandum."

"The Free Exercise Clause protects not just the right to believe or the right to worship; it protects the right to perform or abstain from performing certain physical acts in accordance with one's beliefs. Federal statutes, including the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (“RFRA”), support that protection, broadly defining the exercise of religion to encompass all aspects of observance and practice, whether or not central to, or required by, a particular religious faith."