SCARY - Is Ashcroft the New King of the States?

[lavender]

 

[Pokerman]

Under this legislation, a French citizen vacationing in New York could be arrested, "certified" without evidence, jailed without trial and incarcerated for the rest of his life without ever being charged with a crime.

I dont think this is correct. An 'alien' is generally someone who comes to this country to live, not on vacation. Hence the term "illegal aliens".

Now, if someone comes here on a tourist visa and doesn't leave when the visa expires, he or she becomes an illegal alien.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Check out this article. Feedback. Do you find this to be disturbing? Or is this just normal state of events after September 11?

This has little or nothing to do with Sept 11. I can't help but think that a whole hell of a lot of these 'ideas' were sitting there waiting for an opportunity to be presented. The 'Office of Homeland Security" for example.

I've been hearing more and more disturbing rumors regarding who knew what and when about Sept 11. I know I read too much, and I talk to my conspiracy theorist mom too often, but what do you suppose the higher ups are willing to let happen in order to further they're political and governmental goals?

Ashcroft is a Nazi. When we Missouri folks elected a dead man to the Senate office instead of him, we thought that would be the end of him. Little did we know that he'd end up being in charge of our justice system.

 

[lavender]

 

[FlamingoBlue]

I hate to say that I told you so, but...

That right wing cock sucker is a serious danger to this country. In his own way, he can do mor damage to our civil rights than OSL, because George W. likes Ashcroft. Look for Ashcroft on the ready list for the Supreme Court.

Ashcroft; the washed up. right wing former Senator from Missouri who lost the last election to a dead guy. Now he's our Attorney General. Terrific.

Pleas note that hsi attempt to erode the Washington law has been enjoined by a Federal Judge. Thank goodness the voice of one fundementalist in the U.S. can't override the vote of the people. At least not yet.

blue

 

[InSaNe]

Re: I hate to say that I told you so, but...

That right wing cock sucker is a serious danger to this country. In his own way, he can do mor damage to our civil rights than OSL, because George W. likes Ashcroft. Look for Ashcroft on the ready list for the Supreme Court.

Ashcroft; the washed up. right wing former Senator from Missouri who lost the last election to a dead guy. Now he's our Attorney General. Terrific.

Pleas note that hsi attempt to erode the Washington law has been enjoined by a Federal Judge. Thank goodness the voice of one fundementalist in the U.S. can't override the vote of the people. At least not yet.

blue

I second that.....

 

[Calamity Jane]

After Gov. Carnahan died, the Lt. Governor (acting Gov at the time) announced that if Carnahan was still elected, then his (Carnahan's wife) would fill the Senate seat.

Ashcroft immediately began contesting that, even though it's a clearly written law that the Governor gets to pick who fills a slot when this type of thing happens. There was no time to have a new candidate added to the ballot. When that attempt failed, there was a grassroots type campaign started (that Ashcroft claimed he had no part in) asking people to ignore the Democrat section of the ballot and instead write in Carnahan's wife if they wanted her to serve. The premise was that we should elect her directly instead of by default. Of course, it's nearly impossible for a write in candidate to win.

Anyway,it wouldn't surprise me that things happened as your friend said they did. Missouri, from what I understand, has traditionally voted Democrat in national elections. Kansas is supposed to be the Republican state.

 

[A_Jacks]

Yes, Kansas is conservative and Misery is a bunch of Bush-Wackin' Democrats, hee hee.

What scares me is today's revelations that the client-lawyer relationship would be voided for terrorists.

I think the argument should be that they are soldiers captured in time of war and as such are not criminals but POW's who do not have constitutional rights. We need to stop treating these events as criminal acts, but acts of war. Commit a "crime" out of uniform and you are a spy, deserving of torture and then summary execution.

But then I'm a proud gun-toting far right Libertarian nutcase.

And just why are the Republicans expanding the fucking government exponentially.

 

[xwizard4]

Thanks

Thanks, Lavender, for posting that article. It's about time people started waking up to this farce the government is perpetrating called
"Operation Enduring Freedom".

If it's anything, it's exactly the opposite of freedom.

 

[xzchief]

Re: Re: SCARY - Is Ashcroft the New King of the States?

Ashcroft is a Nazi. When we Missouri folks elected a dead man to the Senate office instead of him, we thought that would be the end of him. Little did we know that he'd end up being in charge of our justice system.

I laughed my ass off when the late Mel Carnahan beat Ashcroft last year. In retrospect, I almost wish you'd reelected Ashcroft. He'd have very little power in the Senate, certainly not enough to go on the rampage of civil rights he's forged since the day he started as Attorney General.

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Thats scary as fuck...

And I want to go and visit?

I dont know bout you guys who live there but I REALLY dont trust the American government at times.

 

[fgarvb1]

be carful with that alien shit i thought you were talking about NASA for a few seconds. NASA has powers like that.

 

[modest mouse]

You would be hard pressed to find a more strident critic of Bull shit or Ashcroft than I. But I really do not find much of this surprising. I, personally, thought Bush was quite obviuosly opposed to civil liberties from way back when he was a bought-and-paid-for Texas governor...unless of course you mean having a handgun.

While I would not dispute the lunacy and potential abuse of such legislation...it is important to note that the Constitution only applies to citizens. You do not gain some fabulous Constutional power when you enter the country. I hear little uproar when tax money is spent to transport and educate children from Mexico to AZ and NM schools. Once a concept is bent one way, it is that much easier for those in power to corrupt it the other way.

I believe the serious discussion by the Bush administration involving prayer in public school and financial support for faith-based charity is far more hideous and frightening. This goes directly against the underlying precept of the Constitution disavowing the Tyranny of the Majority.



As far as Aschcroft's appointment to AG being a brokering of the election results...I think it far more plausible and less paranoid that his appointment is a gesture to the Religious Right which threw votes and money to Bush. He will need them when he runs again and they vote in a large block (as all good lemmings do), which can mean victory throughout the South.

It seems increasingly likely that no man worthy of being President would ever get elected.

 

[xzchief]

It seems increasingly likely that no man worthy of being President would ever get elected.

That sentence, in a nutshell, is why the government is in serious trouble.

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by lavender
This is America. How could Congress, even in its darkest moment of panic, eliminate due process and put the United States on par with terror states that arrest people and throw them away without trials?

Considering the atrocities Congress has committed over the past 100 years, and particularly over the past 50, I don't find it difficult at all to believe they did it deliberately and carefully with full awareness. It seems I recall there was some serious objection in the House particularly from Republicans over this stuff.

Originally posted by FlamingoBlue
Pleas note that hsi attempt to erode the Washington law has been enjoined by a Federal Judge. Thank goodness the voice of one fundementalist in the U.S. can't override the vote of the people. At least not yet.

Actually, I'm already conditioned to the point that I hardly do more than shrug it off after living under the EXTREMELY Fascist Liberal Democrat state of California for several years. When a public referendum measure passes the popular vote of which the Liberal Fascist establishment Democrats disapprove, they immediately go to court. Proposition 187 which sought to outlaw racial discrimination is a notable example [isn't the dichotomy here ironic? ]. There was another proposition which would have prevented illegal immigrants from receiving public aid (money STOLEN from me and other citizens) but the Democrats went to court to overturn it. So much for the "voice of the people" in California. That's only tolerated if the "voice of the people" echoes the voice of the politicos, i. e. vox politico, vox dei!

 

[XXplorher]

See, there is never a circumstance where you can get something from absolutely nothing in science.

Oh really?!
THAT’S news to me. Science you say? Look it up again!
‘Nothing’ does come from ‘something’ (maybe I’m misunderstanding your objective). How did you get here?

Your ego means – someone brought you in, personally?


There was a whole bunch of crap I said after that, but given that I ain’t all that sober, and I promised my pecker some pussy…….. I gotta go now. I’ll post it later. If anyone gives a shit about ‘science’.

UncleBill
Yet you accept, without question, the mystic's declaration that god has always existed. If, as you say, because you're human and want a beginning, why don't you want a beginning for god?


Jesus!! (no pun intended) THERE it is. Argue with THAT?! You nailed it to the cross, Bill.
Man, that’s huge. Immense.

...properly understood and practiced religion is not evil...

And what does THAT mean?

I..........got-ta........go......get........lai---id.........now.........

buy bye~!

 

[Guest]

another bush, another recession, another war

 

[Thomas Paine]

All I can add is what my good friend *g* Ben Franklin once said: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "