Save The Internet!

[Kurokami]

I think intellectual property is “bullshit” because you may as well call it intellectual control. Yes it may be a great idea in a setting of starving artists and honest people, but let’s be real, that is not the world we live in. Intellectual property opens the door to many dirty and damaging practices, for example monopolies on very important things, potentially things such as wheat, corn, even water. The day that becomes reality would be infamous for sure.

I'm honestly not sure what this means: are you saying that one might gain a copyright over the concept of wheat or water? Besides which, yes, intellectual property is definitely intellectual control. It's controlling in that it says "this here is my idea, don't fucking steal it." It's intellectual control in the same way laws preventing theft are property control.

Of course education also factors in on this. Pay per read, pay per view, pay per everything, more expensive schooling for less people, as we already see. One college text book can now cost more than tuition use to for one semester, and that is factoring inflation.

Yes, that's right: you pay for the things you want to own. The expense of something doesn't justify theft either. Because cars? Those are really expensive, and I don't own one. But I'd like to...

Is it really so farfetched to find a way of compensating those who make contributions to public property?

But it's not public property, even if one were getting compensated for it. Taking Keroin as an example, she spent the time doing the writing, she jumped through the hoops to get it published, she expended the effort to create the work. How is it any less hers because it's merely an idea that's been transcribed onto paper? How is that writing a public work, yet a farmer's cattle is private property, as is everything in a supermarket? Despite their intangible nature, ideas don't just come out of nowhere, fully formed. It takes time and effort to write something, to say nothing of the production side that comes with filming a movie or recording an album, and the creators of such things deserve to be compensated and furthermore, to exert some control over what is definitely their property. Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society where people own the things they sell.

On piracy, it’s not just young generations and “this is mine” attitude. I could turn the same argument and claim old people are just technophobes and stuck in the past. Remember taping, that was piracy, or lending a book to someone, or even selling used books. The internet just facilitates communication to a revolutionary degree, and we are still trying to find ways of working with it. You can’t stop change, you have to adapt to it.

No, no, you're right: if something is old, it can't be a crime. That's why murder is legal

Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like a surly git here, because I honestly don't want to come off as confrontational with you Captor, but this idea is really flawed.

 

[YourCaptor]

I'm honestly not sure what this means: are you saying that one might gain a copyright over the concept of wheat or water? Besides which, yes, intellectual property is definitely intellectual control. It's controlling in that it says "this here is my idea, don't fucking steal it." It's intellectual control in the same way laws preventing theft are property control.



Yes, that's right: you pay for the things you want to own. The expense of something doesn't justify theft either. Because cars? Those are really expensive, and I don't own one. But I'd like to...



But it's not public property, even if one were getting compensated for it. Taking Keroin as an example, she spent the time doing the writing, she jumped through the hoops to get it published, she expended the effort to create the work. How is it any less hers because it's merely an idea that's been transcribed onto paper? How is that writing a public work, yet a farmer's cattle is private property, as is everything in a supermarket? Despite their intangible nature, ideas don't just come out of nowhere, fully formed. It takes time and effort to write something, to say nothing of the production side that comes with filming a movie or recording an album, and the creators of such things deserve to be compensated and furthermore, to exert some control over what is definitely their property. Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society where people own the things they sell.



No, no, you're right: if something is old, it can't be a crime. That's why murder is legal

Honestly, I'm not trying to sound like a surly git here, because I honestly don't want to come off as confrontational with you Captor, but this idea is really flawed.

Not the concept, genetic strains, molecular structures, etc, you can copyright these. Say whoever develops the cure for cancers says, fuck you all it’s mine and I’m not sharing. Who’s the criminal?

If education is too expensive, people won’t be educated.

The above are all examples of why intellectual property should be public property.

I don’t know what you mean by, “exert some control over what is definitely their property”.

I’m illustrating the point that older people partook in piracy too; it’s not a new phenomenon.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

One for the irony files and mildly relevant, since we're linking up people against piracy using material and not crediting the source...

Here, before all dvds etc start, we sit through a spiel talking about piracy being a crime Kuro will know the one

Anyways, it's been found recently that the music used in that advertisement, is in itself, stolen, uncredited, etc

 

[JMohegan]

<Sigh> Yeah, Obama needs the $$ from both sides for his reelection bid, and there's no way to reconcile the two sides over *these* bills, so he does the politician thing and comes out with an "official statement" that essentially says nothing except, "This really isn't good, but I'm not going to come out for it or against it because I need your donations to get reelected, so we'll wait until after the election to actually *do* anything one way or the other."

The statement was perceived by most as coming out against the proposed laws as written.

See, for example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...obama_n_1207615.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics

Rupert Murdoch sounded off on Saturday about the White House's rejection of SOPA and PIPA, the controversial anti-piracy bills currently being debated in Congress.

"So Obama has thrown in his lot with Silicon Valley paymasters who threaten all software creators with piracy, plain thievery," he wrote on Twitter. "Piracy leader is Google who streams movies free, sells advts around them. No wonder pouring millions into lobbying."

Murdoch has lobbied aggressively for the bills, which many critics call web censorship. On Saturday, the White House announced that it would not support the legislation.

Supporters of the legislation--including Murdoch's News Corp, which owns 20th Century Fox films and various successful TV shows--argue that the bills would help protect copyright.

Google is one of the most vocal opponents of SOPA and PIPA. Co-founder Sergey Brin has said that the bills "give the U.S. government and copyright holders extraordinary powers including the ability to hijack DNS and censor search results (and this is even without so much as a proper court trial)."

 

[Etoile]

Great place for info: http://www.reddit.com/r/sopa

 

[Baudie]

Save the internet!

And my job. Especially my job.

Also Lit. And probably nearly every other site you visit and enjoy.

I've been trying. But I'm almost out of drive space.

 

[txblush]

Great place for info: http://www.reddit.com/r/sopa

Thanks for the link Etoile.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

 

[Keroin]

Wikipedia is blacked out today. Interesting move.

 

[seela]

Wikipedia is blacked out today. Interesting move.

As with most cencorship, there's a way around it. Just click stop (or what's the red cross called) after it's loaded the wiki page, but not yet loaded the black page.

 

[DVS]

Wikipedia is blacked out today. Interesting move.

Several sites have done this, as a unified protest.

Just a few of the more notable sites...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Of the bloggers that I host, only one person wanted to stay up today.
http://probablepossible.com
http://shoeshineinc.com

 

[Velvet Bubbles]

I've been trying. But I'm almost out of drive space.

I couldn't stop giggling when I read this. It's hard to find any humor in this situation. It terrifies me what they're trying to do. Legislation keeps getting worse and worse that I wonder when "THEY" are going to wake up and realize what's going on.

 

[BiBunny]

God, I love the Internet.

ETA: Also, dammit, I somehow missed that there was a protest plugin for Wordpress. Nearly all my sites are WP. I wish I'd known sooner, and that would've been another 35 or so sites blacked out. Seems stupid to do it now, though.

 

[Stella_Omega]

God, I love the Internet.

ETA: Also, dammit, I somehow missed that there was a protest plugin for Wordpress. Nearly all my sites are WP. I wish I'd known sooner, and that would've been another 35 or so sites blacked out. Seems stupid to do it now, though.

The day isn't over.

And, the blackout is schedualed also for the day before the votes, so the plugin is good for two days.

BB, do you have your wp sites set up individually, or as a multipress installation? I converted all of mine to MP and wow it's helpful!

 

[BiBunny]

The day isn't over.

And, the blackout is schedualed also for the day before the votes, so the plugin is good for two days.

BB, do you have your wp sites set up individually, or as a multipress installation? I converted all of mine to MP and wow it's helpful!

They're all individual, but I really, really, really need to upgrade to multipress. I just haven't done it yet.

I think I will go activate the plugin. Screw it.

Edit: Shit, I didn't realize there were a zillion of them. Which one are you using, Stella?

 

[Stella_Omega]

They're all individual, but I really, really, really need to upgrade to multipress. I just haven't done it yet.

I think I will go activate the plugin. Screw it.

Edit: Shit, I didn't realize there were a zillion of them. Which one are you using, Stella?

I used this one because some of my bloggers wanted to be able to let people come to their site after the splash page; http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/sopa-blackout-plugin/

There are probably others that have similar capabilities and maybe better graphics because yanno-- we're graphics snobs like that But midnight was coming up last night and I was suddenly in a hurry

can I just say that migrating to multipress was SO MUCH GEEKY FUN and pretty easy to do. You don't have to do all of them at once, either.

 

[BiBunny]

I used this one because some of my bloggers wanted to be able to let people come to their site after the splash page; http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/sopa-blackout-plugin/

There are probably others that have similar capabilities and maybe better graphics because yanno-- we're graphics snobs like that But midnight was coming up last night and I was suddenly in a hurry

can I just say that migrating to multipress was SO MUCH GEEKY FUN and pretty easy to do. You don't have to do all of them at once, either.

Thank you.

I definitely need to get off my ass and do multipress. I've heard many good things.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Wikipedia is blacked out today. Interesting move.

God, that pissed me off. I needed Wiki today!

 

[seela]

God, that pissed me off. I needed Wiki today!

Like I pointed out in my earlier post, it was possible to work around the blackout even with no higher computer skills. Just stop the page from loading before that blackness comes.

I want to think that the Wiki people wanted it to be that way. To show, how stupid internet censorship is, because there's always a way to bypass it. Because if it wasn't deliberate, it was a really, really lame attempt. For a very good cause, but still, the execution left a lot to be desired for if they were aiming at people not being able to use Wiki at all.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Like I pointed out in my earlier post, it was possible to work around the blackout even with no higher computer skills. Just stop the page from loading before that blackness comes.

I want to think that the Wiki people wanted it to be that way. To show, how stupid internet censorship is, because there's always a way to bypass it. Because if it wasn't deliberate, it was a really, really lame attempt. For a very good cause, but still, the execution left a lot to be desired for if they were aiming at people not being able to use Wiki at all.

Eh, I was already mega frustrated with some stuff going on, so I didn't bother trying.



Oh dear.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407119_10150538513569445_13320939444_8607462_1650971380_n.jpg

 

[DVS]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407119_10150538513569445_13320939444_8607462_1650971380_n.jpg

It's so sad that so many members had such terrible advice from their advisers. If you have no knowledge of something, you need someone you can trust to give you the correct information.

But, they are quick at knowing how to keep their jobs. Once they saw the opposition chiming in, they figured out the advice they had received might be wrong. Of course, that's why we pay them so much. Their job is so important, it's important to get the brightest people.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

It's so sad that so many members had such terrible advice from their advisers. If you have no knowledge of something, you need someone you can trust to give you the correct information.

But, they are quick at knowing how to keep their jobs. Once they saw the opposition chiming in, they figured out the advice they had received might be wrong. Of course, that's why we pay them so much. Their job is so important, it's important to get the brightest people.

That's 166 members of Congress accounted for. Where are the other 273? Sitting around with their thumbs up some intern's ass, waiting for a staff member to tell them what they think? (Or, more honestly, waiting for a staff member to tell them what the opinion polls say, so they can "vote their conscience?" )

 

[BiBunny]

That's 166 members of Congress accounted for. Where are the other 273? Sitting around with their thumbs up some intern's ass, waiting for a staff member to tell them what they think? (Or, more honestly, waiting for a staff member to tell them what the opinion polls say, so they can "vote their conscience?" )

That's it. They'll straddle the fence 'til the last minute.