Sandy Hook, One Year Later: No Gun Control in Sight

[jeninflorida]

Im confident that we all can agree obama has proven himself untrust worthy due to his many lies


Nsa untrust worthy due to their lies in front of congress

Therefore no sane person should EVER trust those in government!

 

[StrangeLife]

Therefore no sane person should EVER trust those in government!

True that. I would even go so far as to say that it's the duty of anybody living in a democracy to be keep close tabs on the government.


As far as the NSA goes, they're basically doing what we asked them to do after 9/11, so I credit Bush with that problem. But Obama hasn't done anything to rein them back in, so he is guilty of neglect.

 

[trysail]

For those of us who are sailormen, Sandy Hook means but one thing:


a well protected anchorage adjacent to New York Harbo(u)r.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Wpdms_usgs_photo_sandy_hook.jpg​

 

[StrangeLife]

For those of us who are sailormen, Sandy Hook means but one thing:


a well protected anchorage adjacent to New York Harbo(u)r.

Or the daughter of Captain Hook and Tinkerbell....

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/267/d/2/captain_hook__s_daughter_by_vclements-d5fr067.png

 

[jeninflorida]

True that. I would even go so far as to say that it's the duty of anybody living in a democracy to be keep close tabs on the government.


As far as the NSA goes, they're basically doing what we asked them to do after 9/11, so I credit Bush with that problem. But Obama hasn't done anything to rein them back in, so he is guilty of neglect.

Obana is the perfect example of government gone wrong. Our founding fathers would hang obama for treason as hes worse then the british they were trying to escape

Whats sad are the gb left wing fuck ups who are blinded by welfare to see reality

 

[dan_c00000]

Obana is the perfect example of government gone wrong. Our founding fathers would hang obama for treason as hes worse then the british they were trying to escape

Whats sad are the gb left wing fuck ups who are blinded by welfare to see reality

I think you mean "than". That's used to compare things.

Anyway, you do know guys like Thomas Jefferson would have agreed with Obama and liberals on a lot of things? For example, Thomas Jefferson wasn't a big fan of Christianity or Christmas.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So are you saying that if Wal Mart sold stuff that you were interested in at reduced prices you would patronize the store?

No...you couldn't pay me to patron those crony fuckers.

But I would look and go "Holy shit!! Wal Mart is now selling top shelf weaponry, I didn't know they did top shelf anything!"

and that's about it.

All these years I thought it was the Dems who introduced, support and run campaigns on the virtues of welfare. Imagine how silly I feel.

They do, but they run on welfare for poor people.

Not welfare for billionaires to get more billions while extolling capitalism and the virtues of freedom while they gladly let mega corp extort the people....that's the republicans MO.

 

[richard_daily]

^^^^ I assume you have some kind point? One that isn't retarded I hope?



True, but guns also break, get lost, get stolen (which doesn't deplete the number of guns total obviously) but the point remains that 300 million guns doesn't work out in reality to 300 million armed citizens. I own two rifles, a shotgun and two pistols. (all hand me downs from my grandfather to my father and from him to me) and I intend to buy another rifle in the next year or to. You put me in a room with five Non-Gun owners and it looks like everybody has a gun when in reality one crazy guy has six and five people have none.

Five sheep ripe for the slaughter I might add.

You just proved the start of your statement a straw man, since you said that guns break, but you got 5 guns handed down from 2 generations ago. Yes, guns break, but you can legally own guns from more than 100 years ago with no background check and no restrictions, this still fire perfectly well.

And when you're talking about a 5% increase every year, extrapolate the data (assuming it's consistent, which I am only saying for the sake of argument), and you'll see that gun use and ownership is hardly on the decline.

And do you consider yourself a crazy guy for having 5 hand me down guns, and wanting to buy a rifle next year?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You don't know what a strawman is do you? Anyway moving right along.

That doesn't change the core facts which is that assuming people are lying in their interviews that the guns are becoming increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few people.

And fuck yeah I'm the crazy one. I want to fight off my government if they try to enslave me, despite the fact that not only do I know there is nothing I could hope to do if they were really set upon it, a best case scenario looks like Syria or Egypt and a more likely scenario looks like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq etc but more to the point that even if I were to somehow win I'd still lose because no matter what people claim fighting is still evil when you do it against America.

 

[StrangeLife]

You just proved the start of your statement a straw man, since you said that guns break, but you got 5 guns handed down from 2 generations ago. Yes, guns break, but you can legally own guns from more than 100 years ago with no background check and no restrictions, this still fire perfectly well.

And when you're talking about a 5% increase every year, extrapolate the data (assuming it's consistent, which I am only saying for the sake of argument), and you'll see that gun use and ownership is hardly on the decline.

And do you consider yourself a crazy guy for having 5 hand me down guns, and wanting to buy a rifle next year?

Agree - guns do have long lifespans. Even bad ones are sturdily built and a gun is still pricey enough to make most people repair it rather than throw it out when it breaks. I have guns that was owned by my dad and even a few from my granddad - all in perfectly useable condition and ready for world war Z.

The biggest drain in the legal gun-pool are the ones that are lost or stolen - currently around 250.000 every year nation wide. They don't "disappear" of course. It only means that the ATF loses track of them. But even if we assume them to be completely gone, it's still a far cry from the 17 million yearly new comers. A 5% growth rate means a double-time of 14 years, so if we extrapolate the total number of guns in the US will have doubled in 2028. Since the population growth rate is a lot less - around 0.8% - the concentration of guns will go up.

So I'm still not seeing any sign of a decline in gun-ownership in the US. In 2010 39% of all American households contained at least one gun and despite the GSS survey (which I believe is flawed) I don't see that changing anytime soon.