RW'ers, Tea Baggers, Conservatives, NeoCons' ...hypothetical question...

[BotanyBoy]

If our elected officials were to set their greed aside, and devise/hash out a UHC system that would cost the same amount of money we are going to be paying under Obamacare or less (b/c I think we could do it for far less) would you support it over what we are currently getting?

Discuss...poll....bitch fits....whatever..

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Conservative position is that we should have a single-payer system because that's the most economical way to deliver health care. Life is all about economics.

However, the GB Right Wingers aren't Conservatives.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Conservative position is that we should have a single-payer system because that's the most economical way to deliver health care. Life is all about economics.

However, the GB Right Wingers aren't Conservatives.

Thus the other asshole labels to corral up some more of the GBRW.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Conservative position is that we should have a single-payer system because that's the most economical way to deliver health care. Life is all about economics.

However, the GB Right Wingers aren't Conservatives.

I disagree. The Conservative position is two-fold: "profits before people" and "survival of the fittest, aka the poor and sick have an obligation to shuffle off the mortal coil as soon as possible".

I do agree that GB Right Wingers aren't Conservatives, though. Most of 'em are reactionary wingnuts with unresolved daddy issues.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Looks like you're right rob...murikuh doesn't want UHC...in that case enjoy the ass fucking!!

 

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[mercury14]

The real conservative position is to leave it to the free market and get the government out of it. Only the free market can allocate resources with any degree of efficiency.

The fact that 35 million Americans don't have heath care is proof that the free market has wholly failed to allocate resources efficiently. And the number of uninsured Americans was increasing every year on top of that - increasing at an exponential rate. And before you yammer on about people choosing to be poor and not work, those people already have Medicaid. We had 35 million working Americans and their families that the free market was failing to allocate resources to.

And as icing on the cake, our system was covering the lowest percentage of citizens of any first-world nation at twice the cost. And we weren't even getting better medical outcomes with all that spending either, often times worse.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The real conservative position is to leave it to the free market and get the government out of it. Only the free market can allocate resources with any degree of efficiency.The fact that you don't see any prices on the wall when entering a hospital is testimony to your influence as a consumer on the economic outcome of whatever medical endeavor you are about to enter into. The closest thing to a real market solution in view of the mountains of government regulation preventing free market activity are consumer driven health care plans (CDHPs), CDHPs are becoming more and more popular:

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...-dramatic-growth-consumer-driven-health-plans

Of course the government might come out and prohibit them. Choosing instead to impose their failed will upon those smart enough to do otherwise.

Except that doesn't actually work.

It's right up there with not needing the EPA b/c the free market is responsible and just wouldn't dump toxic waste in peoples back yards to save a buck right??

 

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[BotanyBoy]

Please, don't be an idiot.

Is that supposed to be some kind of counter argument?

Free market has failed to provide the people with adequate HC or even access to HC....fact.

Unless you are willing to have ER's and all medical facilities run like a business and turn anyone who doesn't have cash or insurance out to die in the street, your argument in favor of the free market HC system is completely invalid.

But even if you do advocate turning the indigent out to die, that system still fails to address this nations medical needs to the point those unprovided for become a health threat to those who are provided for....enter the need for government.

If your talking about the EPA? Your delusional...without them the US would be a toxic hole just like china and we all fucking know it. The were created b/c we needed them when the free market failed to address the need to tell business's to pick up their shit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please, don't be an idiot.

When the going gets tough, the Vietnam-era Marines tuck tail and run, throwin' ad-hominem over their shoulder as they slink away....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

America has no free market. That's the problem.

 

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[run_silent]

I stopped paying attention when you used the term "tea baggers". It shows your utter contempt, bigoted, and no concern about diversity of people that disagree with you.

 

[run_silent]

When the going gets tough, the Vietnam-era Marines tuck tail and run, throwin' ad-hominem over their shoulder as they slink away....

I don't understand. Please expand.

 

[fgarvb1]

"Snort"

 

[mercury14]

America has no free market. That's the problem.

... says the man who just got back from his Medicare-funded medical appointment.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The real conservative position is to leave it to the free market and get the government out of it. Only the free market can allocate resources with any degree of efficiency.The fact that you don't see any prices on the wall when entering a hospital is testimony to your influence as a consumer on the economic outcome of whatever medical endeavor you are about to enter into. The closest thing to a real market solution in view of the mountains of government regulation preventing free market activity are consumer driven health care plans (CDHPs), CDHPs are becoming more and more popular:

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper...-dramatic-growth-consumer-driven-health-plans

Of course the government might come out and prohibit them. Choosing instead to impose their failed will upon those smart enough to do otherwise.

The market is notoriously inefficient when it comes to allocation of healthcare. Here is a good read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...health-care-so-ridiculously-expensive/274425/

 

[ChinaBandit]

I disagree. The Conservative position is two-fold: "profits before people" and "survival of the fittest, aka the poor and sick have an obligation to shuffle off the mortal coil as soon as possible".

I do agree that GB Right Wingers aren't Conservatives, though. Most of 'em are reactionary wingnuts with unresolved daddy issues.

Rob, I know you've hit the sack and all with that high body fat / low energy condition of yours.

I'd just like you to know that I'm heading out the door now to make heaps. On my way, I'll drive pass many, many poor people this morning who are, in fact, simply taking breaths, taking up space and using up limited resources on the planet.

Perhaps, I'll fart in recognition of them but my ass won't bleed like yours.

Life IS to compete moron and he who dies with the most toys wins!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rob, I know you've hit the sack and all with that high body fat / low energy condition of yours.

I'd just like you to know that I'm heading out the door now to make heaps. On my way, I'll drive pass many, many poor people this morning who are, in fact, simply taking breaths, taking up space and using up limited resources on the planet.

Perhaps, I'll fart in recognition of them but my ass won't bleed like yours.

Life IS to compete moron and he who dies with the most toys wins!

Thanks for thinking of me.
Give my best to your gook.

 

[richard_daily]

I thought he might figure it out on his own. There hasn't been a truly free market here in my lifetime.

Maybe the destitute can buy health insurance with a can of corn?

 

[richard_daily]

Rob, I know you've hit the sack and all with that high body fat / low energy condition of yours.

I'd just like you to know that I'm heading out the door now to make heaps. On my way, I'll drive pass many, many poor people this morning who are, in fact, simply taking breaths, taking up space and using up limited resources on the planet.

Perhaps, I'll fart in recognition of them but my ass won't bleed like yours.

Life IS to compete moron and he who dies with the most toys wins!

Spoken like a true idiot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I stopped paying attention when you used the term "tea baggers". It shows your utter contempt, bigoted, and no concern about diversity of people that disagree with you.

You mean like I call the DuMZ and lib ninnies?

If you can't handle my fun names for groups I think are silly as fuck then oh god damn well no skin off my ass.

Doesn't mean if they present a solid argument backed up by historical precedence and or empirical data I won't listen to it.

 

[renard_ruse]

This alt needs to find a more coherent character to project. Sometimes its believable, other times it seems like merely a convenient screen name for whatever point of discussion the alt master wants to use it for.

 

[richard_daily]

You mean like I call the DuMZ and lib ninnies?

If you can't handle my fun names for groups I think are silly as fuck then oh god damn well no skin off my ass.

Doesn't mean if they present a solid argument backed up by historical precedence and or empirical data I won't listen to it.

Tea baggers was their original name. These are the same types of people who continued to call Muhammad Ali, Cassius Clay, so now they're just getting it in reverse.