rubio's a bought and paid for nra promoter

[butters]

Mass shootings don’t happen in countries that regulate gun ownership. And when they do, they’re curtailed in civilized societies such as New Zealand, which immediately banned assault weapons after back-to-back mass shootings, terrorist attacks on two mosques, in 2019.

But, according to Rubio, we should surrender to fate instead of seeking solutions as a country capable of launching space missions but not stopping angry young men from gunning down large numbers of people in a matter of minutes.

For Rubio, the No. 1 concern isn’t the safety of our children, or anyone else, but the gun industry’s ability to sell fancier and more powerful rifles. After all, the National Rifle Association has contributed $3.3 million to his political campaigns, funding his career.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=57da255f84ee4e05ad18157cc0d5897b

 

[LittleDixie]

There is a reason why the right to bear arms is the 2nd thing the founders enshrined in the constitution.

The United States should always protect the 2A.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I am the NRA.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I am the NRA.

I wish it was an acronym for No Retards Allowed but that will never be the case.

 

[butters]

There is a reason why the right to bear arms is the 2nd thing the founders enshrined in the constitution.

The United States should always protect the 2A.

well regulated

that means controlled. it means licensed, trained, checks, not just anyone having a weapon capable of mass murder in a short burst. Raise the age limit to 21; background checks a given; training a must; secure the loophole of 'not being allowed to purchase a rifle before x age but can have one to use or own at any age; the removal of the rights to have access to weapons if medical/psychiatric conditions warrant that. The 2nd A is NOT a carte blanche for every bobble head to own guns.

 

[ll74]

I am the NRA.

I hope you're not also bankrupt.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I hope you're not also bankrupt.

Probably. He wines about the cost of living in my beautiful state as much as PoorBoi did.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

As numerous constitutional scholars have noted, ”well regulated” had a different meaning in the 18th century than it does today. It meant well organized and effectively run. It did not refer to government regulation as it we use the term today.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

As numerous constitutional scholars have noted, ”well regulated” had a different meaning in the 18th century than it does today. It meant well organized and effectively run. It did not refer to government regulation as it we use the term today.

Prove your theory.

 

[ll74]

SCOTUS already ruled on the "well regulated militia" aspect

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Prove your theory.

See District of Columbia v. Heller

 

[LukSkyFokker]

See District of Columbia v. Heller

Prove your theory.

 

[Rightguide]

Mass shootings don't happen because of the Second Amendment or the NRA, to say so is to be stupid or evil. One or the other. The strictest gun laws in the nation do not prevent gun crime in those places where they are enforced. I know you hate to hear it but it's the truth.

 

[ll74]

Mass shootings don't happen because of the Second Amendment or the NRA, to say so is to be stupid or evil. One or the other. The strictest gun laws in the nation do not prevent gun crime in those places where they are enforced. I know you hate to hear it but it's the truth.

Mass shootings happen because of guns.

Without guns, less people die.

I've never advocated removing an Amendment from the Constitution.

 

[LittleDixie]

well regulated

that means controlled. it means licensed, trained, checks, not just anyone having a weapon capable of mass murder in a short burst. Raise the age limit to 21; background checks a given; training a must; secure the loophole of 'not being allowed to purchase a rifle before x age but can have one to use or own at any age; the removal of the rights to have access to weapons if medical/psychiatric conditions warrant that. The 2nd A is NOT a carte blanche for every bobble head to own guns.

Incorrect. "Well regulated" meant "in proper working order".

 

[butters]

"It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected."

context is everything; in this case, the meaning of well-regulated is set out loud and clear.

the 2nd came about with the intent that the gov't could use states' militias which, in that day and age meant men trained in the use of their firearms: Article 1, Section 8:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

https://medium.com/technology-taxes...ed a gun,Firing a 1792 gun was a slow process

What Madison & Hamilton Wanted
Madison and Hamilton were Federalists who advocated the adoption of the new constitution in order to create a stronger federal government than the old and relatively weak central government that existed under the Articles of Confederation.
They wanted the new federal government to have the military power to protect itself from invasion and revolts, but they did not have the money nor the desire to create a large, standing federal army.

Their solution to this problem — how to protect the federal government from attack without creating a large standing army — was for the Federal government to have control of the existing state militias and to be able to use them to put down any invasion, rebellion or armed threat to the Federal government’s authority.
This solution was set out in Article I, Section 8 (The Powers Of Congress) of the new Constitution, which provided:
The Congress shall have Power . . .
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The federalists’ opponents who feared a strong federal government were concerned about this language and Hamilton responded to their objections in Federalist Paper 29 (Concerning The Militia) which he wrote in support of Article I, Section 8's authorizing Federal control of state militias.
But, of course, state militias couldn’t protect the federal government from insurrection if they weren’t armed. How could the federal government guarantee that the members of the militias would always have the guns they needed to protect the federal government from invasion and insurrection?
Answer: By including in the Bill of Rights a provision guaranteeing that the members of the militia could not be separated from the guns they would need to protect the federal government from invasion and insurrection — “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State. . . .” Second Amendment begins.

And, in fact, Hamilton’s and Madison’s fear that the federal government might need armed soldiers to defend it against a rebellion proved well founded when in 1794 Washington used the powers granted under Article I, Section 8 to call up the militias of six states to put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

 

[phrodeau]

The Preamble ordains and establishes the Constitution to promote the general welfare and insure domestic tranquility. The current interpretation of the Second Amendment does neither of those.

 

[pecksniff]

There is a reason why the right to bear arms is the 2nd thing the founders enshrined in the constitution.

There is not any good reason.

 

[pecksniff]

Mass shootings don't happen because of the Second Amendment or the NRA, to say so is to be stupid or evil. One or the other. The strictest gun laws in the nation do not prevent gun crime in those places where they are enforced. I know you hate to hear it but it's the truth.

Gun laws do prevent gun crime in many countries, such as the UK and Japan.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I am the NRA.

You're a moron who lies about the bible to scare other morons into buying more weapons of mass destruction? Yes. Yes, you are.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=12496daa7cb14498e8bca9cc1961ac2a

republican GOP Congressman, supporter of the nra till now, has changed his stance following Buffalo:

“If an assault weapons ban bill came to the floor that would ban something like an AR-15, I would vote for it,” he said, according to The Buffalo News. “So I want to be clear: I would vote for it.”

Jacobs, a Republican from New York who was endorsed by the NRA in 2020, also said he is in favor of raising the age for some gun purchases to 21.

"Individuals cannot buy beer, they cannot get cigarettes until 21. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that the age limit at least for these highly lethal, high-capacity semi automatic weapons should be 21," he said.

in an earlier version of this story, it said he planned on introducing a bill to ban body armour except for where it was required for work etc..., but that doesn't show in this later version.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You're a moron who lies about the bible to scare other morons into buying more weapons of mass destruction? Yes. Yes, you are.

Hate to break it to you, but I’m not Wayne LaPierre. I’m in CA this weekend, not Houston. Check with Butters. Maybe she can help you. She’s been posting updates from the convention.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I am the NRA.

You're a moron who lies about the bible to scare other morons into buying more weapons of mass destruction? Yes. Yes, you are.


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Hate to break it to you, but I’m not Wayne LaPierre.

Ok, boomer.

 

[LittleDixie]

There is not any good reason.

There's absolutely a good reason! We became independent because we had the arms to fight off the British.

Wherever you see oppression throughout history, ask yourself "what if these people had a bunch of guns?". A superior force with superior weapons will dominate those around it. It's why slavery was possible, its how the Conquistadors did it, it's how the settlers pushed the Native Americans almost entirely out of North America, it's how the Nazis systematically ghettoized and then genocided the Jews and the homosexuals and the communists...

People with guns change the calculation. Hell, you can even see it in the dynamic of this school shooting where the cops were out hiding behind their cars and beating up the concerned parents. Having a gun makes you dangerous and anyone who wants to pick a fight is going to think twice about the risks.

The grass roots of the anti-gun movement is well intentioned. I am not so callous that I don't see this as tragic. It's horrible, and I am 100% on your side that this as a terrible thing. But, your emotion is being hijacked by people in power who want to remove the fangs from the American citizen, slowly, and by degree until the government can simply do whatever it wants to whomever it wants without any pushback.

Since 99.95% of gun owners will never kill someone with a gun, I think that statistic clearly shows that they are not the problem. The demonization of gun owners is misplaced anger and it plays into a fascist/autocratic future.