Republicans

Since Donald Trump was sworn into office I've heard Republicans proclaim that collusion isn't a crime, fraud isn't a crime, sexual assault isn't a crime, perjury isn't a crime and lying to the FBI isn't a crime.

Once upon a time, didn't the Republican Party claim to be the Party of Law and Order?

Republicans now believe that if Trump can get away with this, then he should get away with this. There are no more principles, not even ones they feel they need to pretend to believe in. There is only Trump; he alone is what they serve.

The story of the Republican embrace of torture reminds us that Trump didn’t create the moral vacuum that lies within the GOP. He exploited it to get elected and counts on it to survive, but it was there before. And their pathetic sycophancy toward him shows that there are absolutely no actions they will not defend, even those done for the worst possible reasons.

Remember that when every Republican in the Senate votes to acquit Trump of the charges against him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-no-longer-even-pretend-they-have-principles/
 
Mike Pompeo has called out NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly for - get this - telling lies.
 
Republicans can’t wait to give Trump a pass on impeachment so he’ll quit threatening them: Rick Wilson

In yet another typically scorching column for the Daily Beast, GOP campaign consultant Rick Wilson said Republicans lawmakers want Donald Trump’s impeachment trial to get over with so he will quit threatening them and he can get back to running his “gangster government.”

“’Head on a pike.’ ‘Take her out.’ A rigged Senate impeachment trial with a foregone conclusion where one party isn’t even bothering to pretend they have the least commitment to truth, the rule of law, or the good of the country. Calls for the arrests and court-martial of whistleblowers and truth-tellers. An endless assault on a free press,” he began. “Taken separately, these are troubling glimpses inside the political hurricane of the moment, but as a mosaic, they portend something so much more dangerous. The enemy is always within for Trump.”

“When I saw that the president’s political team had threatened his own allies with the message, ‘Vote against the President and your head will be on a pike’, my first thought was that Steve Bannon’s latest batch of bathtub meth was a tad too strong, but on a moment’s reflection, I realized this was just where we are now as a nation. The Republicans senators live in cringing terror of a Trump-driven primary and of hostile tweets from his mob of mouth-breathing Yokel Haram followers,” he continued. ” Unless you’re an aficionado of various medieval savageries or modern political systems defined by the consistent use of violence, the phrase ‘head on a pike’ might not be familiar to you. ”

Nazi, Nazi, I don't see no fuckin' Nazis!:)
 
Trump’s threats to Senate Republicans count as jury tampering or jury suborning. Either way, what he’s doing is illegal.

Well that WOULD be illegal, I should think. You know. If it had happened.

In other news, emerging reports have some Dem Senators on video conspiring to suborn perjury from some new "witnesses". That'll go over well next week.
 
Columnist drops the hammer on ‘Stalinist’ GOP for running a bogus ‘show trial’ to exonerate Trump


In a brutal column for the Daily Beast, longtime political observer Michael Tomasky went all-in on an attack on Republican senators for turning the impeachment trial of Donald Trump into a “Stalinist show trial” where the outcome is known before it even starts.

Reflecting on the impassioned case laid out by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) over the past three days, Tomasky wondered what it would take to get through to Republicans who seem uninterested in fulfilling their constitutional duties.

While praising Schiff’s presentation over the first two days, the columnist said Thursday night was the best of all.

“Watch it if you haven’t,” he wrote. “He looked to his left—right at Senate Republicans—as he said: ‘Do we really have any doubt about the facts here? Does anybody really question whether the President is capable of what he’s charged with? No one is really making the argument, Donald Trump would never do such a thing, because of course we know that he would, and of course we know that he did.'”

With 50% of the people now ready to see Trumpski thrown out of office with great biggly prejudiced, there may be some wavering in Don's support?:)
 
John Bolton went to Bill Barr with concerns about Giuliani’s ‘shadow foreign policy’ in Ukraine: report

Attorney General Bill Barr was cited recently by Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas as being part of the “team” of people workign to create a conspiracy to help get President Donald Trump reelected.

“Attorney General Barr was basically on the team,” said Parnas in an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow. “Mr. Barr had to know about everything.”

“Mr. Bolton also said that after the president’s July phone call with the president of Ukraine, he raised with Attorney General William P. Barr his concerns about Mr. Giuliani, who was pursuing a shadow Ukraine policy encouraged by the president, and told Mr. Barr that the president had mentioned him on the call,” the New York Times reported.

According to Barr’s spokesperson, however, Barr didn’t learn about the call from Bolton and didn’t find out about it until mid-August.

Barr seeks to excuse himself, with his ignorance! :):rolleyes:
 
Oh, you were there. Didn't realize.

IF it happened, it was someone from the Pelosi/Pencil Neck team.



Wait a minute, let me make sure I understand your argument here...it didn't happen, or maybe it did but I couldn't possibly know that unless I was in the room because there's no such thing as a reliable source, but if it did happen it must have been a Democrat making the threats against hir own party. You're sure of that, but you're also sure it didn't happen, even though you weren't in the room any more than I was.
Your ability to deflect is truly a glory to behold.
 
Wait a minute, let me make sure I understand your argument here...it didn't happen, or maybe it did but I couldn't possibly know that unless I was in the room because there's no such thing as a reliable source, but if it did happen it must have been a Democrat making the threats against hir own party. You're sure of that, but you're also sure it didn't happen, even though you weren't in the room any more than I was.
Your ability to deflect is truly a glory to behold.

How do I know what happened? I wasn't there. I haven't spoken with anyone that actually was there.

All I know about that matter is Pencil Neck accused Trump of threatening the Senate, none of whom knew anything about this. Now YOU claim that "someone" really did threaten the Senate, but you're not really sure who. But you heard about it, so it MUST be true.
 
First of all, he didn't accuse Trump himself of threatening senators, he accused a member of his staff of doing so. There is no evidence that he's lying (before you say it, "I hate him" isn't evidence). Secondly, you have no way of knowing "none of" the Senate know anything about it. What you do know is that they haven't said they know anything about it. That's a rather big difference.


Oh, and even Schiff himself has said he doesn't know if the threat was actually made; only that a source he trusts made the claim. Given Trump's track record, it's a completely plausible claim.
 
can bolton ask to testify before the senate without being subpoenaed?

he should have done so before congress, and it looks as if he's planning on keeping all the juicy stuff for his upcoming book (just another self-serving republican) as it's unlikely he'll be invited to testify by the senate. rumours about the content of his book's draft by people claiming to have read it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/poli...trump/index.html?cid=web-alerts&nsid=51298619
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump in August told his then-national security adviser John Bolton that he wanted to continue holding military aid to Ukraine until the country helped with investigations into Democrats -- including former Vice President Joe Biden -- the New York Times reported Sunday, citing multiple people's descriptions of an unpublished draft manuscript by Bolton.

Trump's purported statement, as described by Bolton, would directly tie the US military aid freeze with the President's requests that Ukraine announce investigations into his political rivals -- undermining a key pillar of the President's impeachment defense that the two circumstances are unrelated.
 
First of all, he didn't accuse Trump himself of threatening senators, he accused a member of his staff of doing so. There is no evidence that he's lying (before you say it, "I hate him" isn't evidence). Secondly, you have no way of knowing "none of" the Senate know anything about it. What you do know is that they haven't said they know anything about it. That's a rather big difference.


Oh, and even Schiff himself has said he doesn't know if the threat was actually made; only that a source he trusts made the claim. Given Trump's track record, it's a completely plausible claim.

Except for the part where a bunch of actual Senators called "BULLSHIT". To name a few: Collins, Murkowski, Burrasso, Lankford.

Like you just said:

"I hate him" isn't evidence

You aren't going to get a conviction. At least not one based on the evidence.
 
Yes, I'm aware of what some senators said. That alone doesn't prove anything.



I know. But we'll see how the Republicans absolute indifference plays in November, won't we?

So you accept that the threats are confirmed because you heard a third or fourth hand claim that they happened, and never mind the DIRECT evidence given, disputing it. Sounds familiar. Hey! That's just like the actual impeachment!

As for the other point, we sure will.

I put up with Obama for 8 years. I KNOW I can handle it if Trump loses. (I don't even really like the guy).

But can you handle it if he wins?
 
Lindsey Graham abruptly cancels planned press conference in wake of John Bolton bombshell

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) abruptly canceled a planned press conference that had been scheduled for Monday morning after a bombshell report claimed that former national security adviser John Bolton is backing up a key allegation in the impeachment case against President Donald Trump.

Graham was originally set to talk at 11:30 a.m. on Monday alongside several of his fellow Republican senators, but Politico’s Jake Sherman reveals that press event has now been shut down.

Earlier in the morning, Graham floated a potential willingness to call Bolton to testify, although he qualified this by saying that Trump should also get to request any witnesses he wanted as well.

“If there is a desire and decision by the Senate to call Democratic witnesses, then at a minimum the Senate should allow President Trump to call all relevant witnesses he has requested,” the senator wrote on Twitter.

Oh My! :)
 
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