Republican sex scandal! Boys! Pedophilia! Everything except actual sex!

[Pure]

because Republicans are getting so fucked over, i've started a thread in support. it's a little unfair to castigate Republicans for going after the evangelical vote--their votes are just like anyone else's. there is no intrinsic connection between Republican and Evangelical world views. To illustrate: Bush Sr. and much of the family are, by history, Episcopalians.

 

[angela146]

This is the problem - Foley never touched or inappropriately met in person the page. Proving a criminal act was committed will be difficult.

On the other handd, the page may will have a tort for harrassment. The problem is, torts are settled for some dollar amount and just disappear.

And thay may also be difficult. If there was only "talk" it might be difficult to prove much in the way of damages.

I think Foley was really crafty in his behavior. He knew enough about the law to keep himself out of most of the potential legal trouble.

Of course, the political trouble was unavoidable.

 

[angela146]

Bush Sr. and much of the family are, by history, Episcopalians.

That's quite common among evangelicals. The religion of their parents leaves them empty. At a moment of depression/personal crisis, they "find Jesus" are "born again" and embrace the evangelical message.

 

[Jagged]

If a liberal had done it would have been okay right? Aren't they more tolerant of these things after all it wasn't his fault right?

 

[Guest]

If a liberal had done it would have been okay right? Aren't they more tolerant of these things after all it wasn't his fault right?

Liberal? Do you mean a Democrat?

Because of the holier-than-thou moral climate of Congress these days, if a Democrat had engaged in sex chat with an underage young man he would have been dragged from the House of Representatives in chains, already on his way to endure years of Ken Starr's investigative reporting.

 

[elsol]

If a liberal had done it would have been okay right? Aren't they more tolerant of these things after all it wasn't his fault right?

It would definitely been better...

I mean a Democrat getting caught sticking a cigar in a woman's coochie... *shrug*

But a Republican playing telephone hanky-panky with a teenage boy...

Yeah... the Rep doing it is ever-so-much more juicy!

 

[Guest]

It would definitely been better...

I mean a Democrat getting caught sticking a cigar in a woman's coochie... *shrug*

But a Republican playing telephone hanky-panky with a teenage boy...

Yeah... the Rep doing it is ever-so-much more juicy!

Coochie?

 

[3113]

If a liberal had done it would have been okay right? Aren't they more tolerant of these things after all it wasn't his fault right?

Theoretical Liberal Foley:
1) He admits he's gay while running for office and gets voted in as a gay man.
2) He allows himself to be photographed with young men he's dating--he's single after all, and gay and has no shame about the fact that he likes them in, oh, say their twenties.
3) When these e-mails hit the news, he observes that the legal age of consent is 16 in D.C.

He doesn't pretend any different. Doesn't pretend he's against older guys being with young men, doesn't call Clinton's affair with Monica "vile," doesn't ride the evangelical wave of his politcial party which touts itself as the vanguard of "moral values," including voting down gay marriage and being anti-gay on principle.

Given all this...yeah. It sure would have been different. It would have been no surprise at all. I mean, really, was it any surprise when Clinton was revealed as an adulterer? We all pretty much knew he fooled around. We may not have approved of him doing it, and especially disapproved of him doing it in the Oval Office, but it's his and Hilary's business, not ours. They're adults. ALL of them were adults.

Ditto here. Foley would not be getting smashed over the head with this if he's been upfront--"I'm gay. I like young men. Age of conscent in DC is 16." But to say all that, to be elected into office by people who knew all that and were okay with it...he'd have to be a liberal.

And if that were the case, the only thing the liberals would be upset about is that he'd sent the e-mails using government equiptment, on government time (tax-payer's dollar) rather than on his own time. That and the question of sexual harrassment in the office, which Liberals do not approve of. (If it's revealed that he had sex with boys under the age of legal consent, then all bets are off. Liberals don't approve or excuse Pedophilia--or do you think that all those lawyers that fought the Catholic Church to acknowledge it's cover-up of pedophile priests were moral conservatives?).

One major difference: No liberal would have said, "It isn't his fault" as some conservatives are now saying about Foley ("Hey, he was molested as a kid! It's not his fault!"). Oh, I'm sorry, were you trying to imply that "it's not his fault" is just a "liberal" excuse?

Any more theoretical questions?

 

[AngeloMichael]

If a liberal had done it would have been okay right? Aren't they more tolerant of these things after all it wasn't his fault right?

Well, apparently FOX News thinks he is a liberal, or a Democrat at least. They were showing images of him and underneath it said Foley D-FL.

An honest mistake or wishful thinking?

 

[3113]

Well, apparently FOX News thinks he is a liberal, or a Democrat at least. They were showing images of him and underneath it said Foley D-FL.

An honest mistake or wishful thinking?

Oh, my Gawd. That's brilliant.

Fox news just changed reality! Tomorrow, every one in middle America is going to think Foley is Democrat...and no Republican is going to tell them different. Just like they now think Iraq and Saddam were behind 9/11.

 

[rgraham666]

Well, apparently FOX News thinks he is a liberal, or a Democrat at least. They were showing images of him and underneath it said Foley D-FL.

An honest mistake or wishful thinking?

LOL!

I vote for revisionist history myself.

 

[shereads]

To illustrate: Bush Sr. and much of the family are, by history, Episcopalians.

Yes, but Bush Sr and the rest of the family also admit they're from Connecticutt. Ever notice that only Dubya speaks with that 'never left Lubbock' accent? Either he's a bit, well, different, as Barbara might say, or its an affectation, or he was left in the desert at birth and raised by jackrabbits.

 

[3113]

or he was left in the desert at birth and raised by jackrabbits.

Jackrabbits would have raised him better.

 

[AngeloMichael]

LOL!

I vote for revisionist history myself.

Can an entire network have a Freudian slip?

 

[elsol]

Given all this...yeah. It sure would have been different. It would have been no surprise at all. I mean, really, was it any surprise when Clinton was revealed as an adulterer? We all pretty much knew he fooled around. We may not have approved of him doing it, and especially disapproved of him doing it in the Oval Office, but it's his and Hilary's business, not ours. They're adults. ALL of them were adults.

You know... what we was REALLY thinking?

"Yoh... but Monice is BUTT!!! What the hell, you telling me the President of the United States of America cannot pull down at least an 8!!! So as ugly as I am, I got to become like fucking God or something to get me a smokin' blonde!!!"

And approved?

Who didn't approve?

I approved!

"Honey... it's an Executive Order, blowjobs ain't sex!... Of course, feel free to take it to Supreme Court and appeal."

 

[3113]

"Yoh... but Monice is BUTT!!! What the hell, you telling me the President of the United States of America cannot pull down at least an 8!!!

Elsol, Elsol... It's not what they look like, it's what they're willing to do that matters. The pretty ones might not be willing to play with your cigar, especially if they're getting other offers.

When it comes to pretty girls, the President of the U.S. ain't got nothing on a Hollywood producer or a guy who owns a record label or a modeling agency.

 

[Pure]

i'm betting anyone a gold mercedes (or Cadillac, for patriots) that a teen will come forward in the next month,say, whom Foley has sexually touched.

 

[shereads]

i'm betting anyone a gold mercedes (or Cadillac, for patriots) that a teen will come forward in the next month,say, whom Foley has sexually touched.

I'm betting you're right except for one key point: it won't be Foley.

 

[elsol]

Elsol, Elsol... It's not what they look like, it's what they're willing to do that matters. The pretty ones might not be willing to play with your cigar, especially if they're getting other offers.

When it comes to pretty girls, the President of the U.S. ain't got nothing on a Hollywood producer or a guy who owns a record label or a modeling agency.

The man has NUKES... the ultimate phallic symbol... "MY NUCLEAR COCK WILL DESTROY YOU!!! *MUHAHAHAHA*"

And I'd rather have to work at convincing a pretty girl... than... errr, well you know, be REAL quick on the light switch.

 

[sophia jane]

I'm betting you're right except for one key point: it won't be Foley.

Let's cross our fingers that it's a Republican, tho. Because if it's a Dem, then the Republicans will look good in comparison.
Which is scary.

 

[elsol]

Republicans... in support of good 'ole family values... you know, where big brothers cornholed their little brothers!

 

[shereads]

Regarding Hastert's announcement that he's set up a toll-free number for page-abuse reports: Now you've done it, you self-serving bastard. You've made me feel sorry for Foley. Do you also eat your young? Dennis Hastert, the House Speaker who's Tough on Naughtiness. A little late, but still...

Get serious. A dedicated toll-free line for this? How many hundreds of callers does Hastert want us to think are out there, who've been hesitating to report naughty IMs from their congressional representative because there wasn't a toll-free number?

Who wants to go first?



Since the call is free, you might as well make it count. If I can make a suggestion, how about reporting your inappropriate encounter as a three-way with Foley and Dennis Hastert on the eve of your 16th birthday.




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[Jenny_Jackson]

Dennis Hastert announced he is setting up a (Republican) House investigating Committee to deal with the Pedophile problem.

There are two problems with that. The REPUBLICANS are going to investigate? Oh Yeah. Foley will be MAN OF THE YEAR when that's over with

And secondly,

The fine print said the investigation will only take a few weeks. So it will be over by the November elections? So why did the Clinton investigation take MONTHS for having consensual sex with an adult when a few weeks is all that's needed for non-consensual child abuse?

 

[rgraham666]

Dennis Hastert announced he is setting up a (Republican) House investigating Committee to deal with the Pedophile problem.

There are two problems with that. The REPUBLICANS are going to investigate? Oh Yeah. Foley will be MAN OF THE YEAR when that's over with

And secondly,

The fine print said the investigation will only take a few weeks. So it will be over by the November elections? So why did the Clinton investigation take MONTHS for having consensual sex with an adult when a few weeks is all that's needed for non-consensual child abuse?

Because they already have a cover story, I mean all the evidence they need, I mean it's not as big a problem as the one you mention.

Oh hell, you know what I mean.

Also, it will be strongly implied that it's all the Democrats fault.

 

[S-Des]

Dennis Hastert announced he is setting up a (Republican) House investigating Committee to deal with the Pedophile problem.

There are two problems with that. The REPUBLICANS are going to investigate? Oh Yeah. Foley will be MAN OF THE YEAR when that's over with

And secondly,

The fine print said the investigation will only take a few weeks. So it will be over by the November elections? So why did the Clinton investigation take MONTHS for having consensual sex with an adult when a few weeks is all that's needed for non-consensual child abuse?

I wish we could clarify the labels on this. NC child abuse? At the moment, all he's accused of is flirting with a 16 year old (which is of legal age in DC anyway, so all he'd be guilty of breaking the internet law he helped write). More could come out later (rumor has another teenager saying he was invited to Foley's house for sex), but there is a lot of assumption going on right now.

Pedophile? Since when was a 16 year-old a pre-pubescent child? Am I wrong here, I've always heard (and have heard dozens of explanations in the last week) that there is another word for attraction to underage teenagers (I believe it was called hebophile...or something like that).

I think this is creepy and nothing I didn't expect from a Republican. However, why blow it up into something it's not, just to make a point? He wasn't trolling the schoolyard for 10 year-old boys, he was flirting with 16-18 year-olds. That makes it gross, but hardly a captial crime. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be fired for it (and charged with a crime if it's determined that he did break the law), just wondering how this got to be such a big deal. Is a pervy old guy hitting on legal-age boys really the biggest thing to worry about in our country today?