Republican Convention notes from Amicus...Governor Palin

[sr71plt]

She really did say no to it... but, there is a second part that is not getting added.

She kept the money. Seriously. AND she continued to build the road that LEADS to the bridge.


See, I'm not so big on the whole "flip-flop" thing when it come to projects and such. New information can legitimately affect your opinion of something. I find the "flip-flop" thing important on BELIEFS. Or on character. Things like honor, truthfulness, commitment to ideals.


But on a bridge? Look, if something is started and it is a waste of money, we shouldn't finish it once we realize it is a waste of money.

That is just bad business. And we've had plenty of bad business decisions the last eight years.

For example: "Let's cut our revenues and then increase our spending." Over and over and over and over.

No, I hadn't heard the other shoe drop on that--which is why I put in the "if that's true." I wasn't asserting that I believed I'd heard the full story. I try not to reach my conclusions before I've had a chance to see both sides of the issues--and then I don't sink my conclusions into concrete anyway, because everything has a way of shifting and new information is always coming to light.

I find it a little peculiar that she could keep earmarked federal money for something other than what it was earmarked for. There's wiggle room, of course, if it's being spent on something coming within the scope of the earmark (like the road leading to the bridge), but just spending it on something else altogether isn't really legal. So, what did she spend it on that isn't within the scope of the earmarked project and is the State of Alaska being pursued on that by the Fed? Still gathering information here.

 

[amicus]

Obama has a wart on the left side of his nose. Each time his image flashes on the screen, I reach to change the channel but can't help but notice that wart.

So why not find picky little things to criticize, it seems as though Palin detractors are focusing on a small, inconsequential issue while ignoring all the rest.

Perhaps that is the best you have to offer?

Such a deal...

Ami...

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Obama has a wart on the left side of his nose. Each time his image flashes on the screen, I reach to change the channel but can't help but notice that wart.

So why not find picky little things to criticize, it seems as though Palin detractors are focusing on a small, inconsequential issue while ignoring all the rest.

Perhaps that is the best you have to offer?

Such a deal...

Ami...

She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.


That ain't small potatoes in a city as little as Wasilla...

 

[amicus]

Dear Selena, my friend, it has become increasingly clear that we occupy opposite places within the spectrum of political thought. I respect that, but it does not deter me from pointing out that you, and posters before you on this thread, are bypassing the major issues of her campaign and history and searching for an anomaly to hang your argument on.

I listened to and watched a biography of Sarah Palin and from all aspects her performance in office has been exemplary as her constituents in Wasila fully approved of her term in office and as Governor, she has an 80 percent approval rating, the highest of any Governor in the US.

No doubt there is something one can find to criticize either in her personal or professional life but the larger picture, I would think, is her basic political philosophy which lines up fairly well with mine, with some major exceptions, but still, her foundation is firm and she appears to be a most admirable person.

Being an atheist, I am not comfortable with her position on 'Creationism', but one has to remember that not a single politician of note has ever claimed even, 'no religious preference', in their resume. In our political system, lip service to religion is a litmus test.

I also am not pleased with the insinuations of library censorship, but the book business is, as you know 90 percent left wing liberal and even school texts push liberal agendas, such as gay rights, gay marriage and a whole host of left wing positions that infuriate many real Americans and they don't want that literature in their schools or their libraries.

I had hoped that a substantive discussion concerning the political positions of the candidates might come forth, rather than a character assassination attempt as seems to be the case.

Amicus...

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I listened to and watched a biography of Sarah Palin and from all aspects her performance in office has been exemplary as her constituents in Wasila fully approved of her term in office and as Governor, she has an 80 percent approval rating, the highest of any Governor in the US.

Bush had a huge approval rating, too... at first. Now it's something like the lowest approval rating in history? She hasn't had a long career... yet. Give her time. (Only, I'm hoping, she won't get that chance... *crossing fingers.*)

No doubt there is something one can find to criticize either in her personal or professional life but the larger picture, I would think, is her basic political philosophy which lines up fairly well with mine, with some major exceptions, but still, her foundation is firm and she appears to be a most admirable person.

There are things we agree on, but you know we also disagree about a great deal, and so her basic political philosophy does not line up with mine... but there are plenty more things beyond the gossipy "pregnant daughter" to take issue with. Plenty of professional issues that are suspect, in my mind, including the censorship, the debt she left her city in, the misuse of funds, the way she hired only loyal supporters and only listened to those she felt were "insiders"--and the way she disposed of or attempted to dispose of those that no longer were on the "in" with her anymore. To me, all of this smacks of the behavior of the man we've already had in the white house for the past 8 years... I don't want a repeat. Even if it's only a CHANCE of a repeat. McCain isn't Bush... close enough, but not quite. Palin? She'd be like the worst re-run hell in history.

I say no thanks to that.

 

[amicus]

Politics has been called the art of compromise, Selena. What you describe as a criticism of Palin, is basically a definition of what it means to hold public office.

Every Mayor or Governor has a Council that must approve or disapprove of legislation and it is common practice for an incumbent to surround themselves with those they trust and those who have similar views. It is silly to think otherwise.

Your, and others, continual criticism of President Bush, is invalid and just a little thinking would indicate why. Bush came into office following eight years of the Clinton contingent that decimated the military and the intelligence service and failed to respond to acts of terrorism around the world.

The terrorist attack of 9/11 was a direct result of the Clinton failure to protect the nation and the new President, just a few months in office, was called upon to rebuild the military, defend the nation and to aggressively deter Jihad bound terrorists around the world.

By all accounts, the Bush administration has done a marvelous job, much to the dismay of the pacifist left.

The entire course of the Bush administration was guided by the constitutional requirement that the commander in chief protect the nation at large, at home and abroad.

And although the left and the left media made a huge issue of the response to Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath, FEMA and the Federal Government, the Coast Guard and the military were all present and accounted for, rendering service that was exceptional in quality and depth.

You and many others do not understand the workings of the layers of government within the United States. The laggardness and unpreparedness of the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana, were the largest obstacles to Federal services reaching the people of New Orleans.

The Federal government is held at bay as both the State and the Municipalities are the primary providers in emergency situations, the Federal government is there as a back up to state and local agencies. They cannot act independently but must coordinate and seek permission and approval.

The failure was not at the federal level, rather the state and local.

The mindset of the left completely ignores the primacy of local government and local response in their headlong rush into a huge super government managing all things. There are jurisdictional protocols that protect both city and state from federal interventions. That is the way our constitution is formed, to always protect the individual rights of people and cooperative entities such as cities and states.

And the obscene effort by the left and the media, to chastize the federal government because there were black people in New Orleans is ludicrous. The same effort for all regions is mandated by law and the same effort would be and has been exerted in any and all regions to provide assistance.

I don't mind that others hold different opinions, but the left, instead of explaining and promoting their agenda openly, resort to criticism without substance and never defend their socialist underpinings.

That does irritate me from time to time.

If you want the socialism of Obama and the radical left, at least be honest and come out of the closet and defend it.

To continually criticize that which you do not understand is petty and not worthy of anyone of this forum.

Amicus...

 

[freshface]

No, I hadn't heard the other shoe drop on that--which is why I put in the "if that's true." I wasn't asserting that I believed I'd heard the full story. I try not to reach my conclusions before I've had a chance to see both sides of the issues--and then I don't sink my conclusions into concrete anyway, because everything has a way of shifting and new information is always coming to light.

I find it a little peculiar that she could keep earmarked federal money for something other than what it was earmarked for. There's wiggle room, of course, if it's being spent on something coming within the scope of the earmark (like the road leading to the bridge), but just spending it on something else altogether isn't really legal. So, what did she spend it on that isn't within the scope of the earmarked project and is the State of Alaska being pursued on that by the Fed? Still gathering information here.

She was for it before she was against it. When the bridge became a laughing stock across the country she came out against it.

In the final bill, the 300+ million was still earmarked for Alaska roads, just not specifically for that bridge.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Politics has been called the art of compromise, Selena. What you describe as a criticism of Palin, is basically a definition of what it means to hold public office.....To continually criticize that which you do not understand is petty and not worthy of anyone of this forum.
Amicus...

Do you know what's amusingly ironic about this? My uneducated and ignorant *ahem* vote counts just as much as yours. Thanks to an amendment to that constitution you like to tout so much. And although you have suggested time and again on this board that I -- and every other woman -- shouldn't HAVE a vote at all... you're now defending a woman running for the 2nd highest public office in the land.

Should Sarah Palin not have a vote either?

You're as much of a bundle of contradictions as any woman, Ami.

Oops, was that sexist? *snerk*

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SELENA

Voting is the illusion of empowerment. Your vote never opens doors; your money opens doors.

The world wouldnt invest billions in lobbying if mere voting did the trick.

Take campaign costs. Pols need billions of dollars to buy up resources their opponents can use.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Voting is the illusion of empowerment.

The last two elections have certainly proven that.

 

[amicus]

No, Selena, much as it tickles you to think so, there are no contradictions in my assertions.

The history of voting in the United States is an interesting one, should you care to make yourself aware of it.

With 90 percent of all black voters casting their ballots for one party and one party only, the one that bribes them with the promise of government handouts, many have wondered that perhaps there should be some means to determine if a voter could actually read and write.

As for women voting, I have questioned the fact of women supporting women's issues without regard to the legitimacy of such legislation and the burden it places on others. Rather places them, in general, in the 'black' contingent, using government for their own minority desires.

The second strike against you, and the radical left women, is that any politician that protects human life is automatically on your black list, regardless of any other issue. Which means that most here, are one issue voters, which is somewhat a denigration of the privilege in participating in the political process.

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

You know what the problem is: Not only are you dealing with THE USUAL SUSPECTS here, youre also dealing with THE SPECIAL NEEDS crowd, too.

I've been wondering why they dont get simple ideas and concepts, then it dawned on me: SPECIAL NEEDS! Thats it!

 

[cloudy]

http://donald.tetto.org/mccain/slogan_clueless.jpg

http://donald.tetto.org/mccain/slogan_vaginas.jpg

 

[Liar]

http://donald.tetto.org/mccain/slogan_vaginas.jpg

Heh, I must be really tired. My first thought was "Does John McCain have a vagi... oh you mean Clinton."

 

[amicus]

Alas, poor Cloudy has descended to the depths of the radical left blogosphere, she must have forgotten where she was posting.

Move over, Move On.Org, here comes our lil squaw.

(look out for sarah baracuda, cloudy, she bites)

I do love my work!

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No one has ever accused Hillary of vagina possession. Certainly NEVER vagina possession with intent to sell.

 

[amicus]

Dunno, JBJ, Obama is sicking the shedog on sarah baracuda, if they ever meet face to farce, sarah will clean her clock.

gee, thas good, ami...!

heh...amicus...

 

[jomar]

AMICUS

You know what the problem is: Not only are you dealing with THE USUAL SUSPECTS here, youre also dealing with THE SPECIAL NEEDS crowd, too.

I've been wondering why they dont get simple ideas and concepts, then it dawned on me: SPECIAL NEEDS! Thats it!

With that tag line, your AV could use Barney Fife, or the Reno 911 crowd.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JOMAR

The other day I saw a really old woman tooling down the street in her cart, and I thought "The cops need to crack down on these clowns...no tag, no license, no vehicle inspection sticker." I smiled as I imagined a big Crown Vic pushing her off the road into a ditch. Damn scofflaw!