Repeal the 19th Amendment?(Women's right to vote)

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The idea came to me, noting my adversity to feminist issues, to query the possible repeal of the 19th amendment. I was not too surprised to discover that others had the same idea before me. I googled the above key words and found a treasure trove!



"...Polemics (pronounced /pəˈlɛmɪks/, /poʊ-/) is the practice of disputing or controverting religious, philosophical, or political matters. As such, a polemic text on a topic is often written specifically to dispute or refute a position or theory that is widely viewed to be beyond reproach..."

I guess, like Ms. Coulter, one might refer to the ole Amicus as a 'polemicist?'



http://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2007/10/ann-coulter-wants-to-repeal-19th.html

Friday, October 5, 2007
Ann Coulter wants to repeal the 19th Amendment

Now why would Ann Coulter want to do that? And many of you are probably asking, "what is the 19th Amendment." The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x711840

"...The Nineteenth Amendment caused government spending to skyrocket, which converted the United States, its Constitution, and its Bill of Rights, into a totalitarian state. Professor John Lott of the Law School University of Chicago proved statistically that it was women's suffrage, and nothing else, which caused this unbridled government growth. Spending too much for government destroyed private property rights, plunged the US into huge debts and destroyed Personal Savings. Professor Lott demonstrated that the reason the increase in federal expenditures resulting from the First World War didn't return to its previous historic level was due solely to the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment in 1921. This unbridled government growth is why one third of the men in the world who are behind bars are American men, why an American man is 1,000 times more likely than a Japanese or an Italian or a Greek man to be convicted of rape, why more Americans per capita are incarcerated for just drinking and driving than Japanese are for all crimes combined even though a non-drinking woman driver is five times more likely to have a fatal accident than a drinking man driver, why existing adultery and sodomy laws are not upheld, and why the US is the only industrialized nation with a negative Personal Savings rate..."

There are many more 'polemical' arguments one might offer: Abortion is one, a large one, female politicians who vote for 'women's issues', judges, government clerks, teachers, librarians, all of whom influence society by their choices and advocacies. One might suggest also that the frantic concern with animal rights, pristine nature, ecological conservation and preservation is also indicative of the feminine influence on society.

I refer you back to my essay of some years ago on this forum, "The Feminine Mistake!"

Just how much of a benefit has over 80 years of female participation in political affairs provided?

Ahem....now be fair and honest and yes, those words do have absolute, unchanging definitions...

ami...
 
"How kind of you..." (In the voice of Audrey Hepburn in the film, "My Fair Lady".

:)

ami
 
In this time of great uncertainty, how lovely it is to see that some things do remain the same.

Thank you ami, for your complete predictability.

:rose:
 
Why, thank you Sweets, if only my choice in partners amongst the fairer sex had been as predictable as my philosophy... sighs, tunneled testosterone I guess, such a deal!

;):rose:

ami
 
I heard, via the grapevine, that she goes into a catatonic state when my screen name is mentioned....

;)

Amicus...
 
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I knew long ago that our political differences were unresolvable, but do ya think you could quit hogging the covers at night?

thanks...

Ami:rose::)

Only if you remove the life-size poster of Ann Coulter over the bed.

She really creeps me out.
 
This is one of your better ideas, Ami.

We could also solve the job market problem by introducing the notion of 'Stay at Home Mums'... this will instantly invoke the idea of 'nuclear family', help discipline the kids and get back to some good 'ol family cooking. And given the energy crisis, lets get back to real fires in a real hearth, we can use the smaller kids to sweep the chimneys. :rolleyes:
 
This is one of your better ideas, Ami.

We could also solve the job market problem by introducing the notion of 'Stay at Home Mums'... this will instantly invoke the idea of 'nuclear family', help discipline the kids and get back to some good 'ol family cooking. And given the energy crisis, lets get back to real fires in a real hearth, we can use the smaller kids to sweep the chimneys. :rolleyes:


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I know you are tongue in cheek, Neon, thas okay, however...

An increasing number of women, young and old, have stated a wish that things could be a bit less hectic, but that it takes two salaries to raise a family, buy a home, car, all that...

Now...there was a time in American History when that was possible, one breadwinner could support a family in a comfortable style, even lower middle class people.

Forty years of research allows me to conclude that government taxation, regulation and control have created inflation and high costs of essential goods and services.

It won't happen of course, but if the role of big government could be reversed and people could determine how to spend what they earn on a basis of rational self interest; I wonder how many working Moms would instantly become stay at home Moms?

Just a thought...

Amicus...
 
Not a fan of this idea, but some very modest property qualifications, now . . .

I wouldn't even oppose a little wealth re-'strib toward this goal (gasp) - say, give young semi-indigents a grand or two for an IRA account or for a real-property downpayment - with the only condition being that they (and everyone esle) can't vote unless they've socked at least that amount aside in some form of long-term asset. It's not that I'm (that much of) an elitist - rather, I just want everyone who goes into the polling booth to feel like they have some "skin in the game."
 
Not a fan of this idea, but some very modest property qualifications, now . . .

I wouldn't even oppose a little wealth re-'strib toward this goal (gasp) - say, give young semi-indigents a grand or two for an IRA account or for a real-property downpayment - with the only condition being that they (and everyone esle) can't vote unless they've socked at least that amount aside in some form of long-term asset. It's not that I'm (that much of) an elitist - rather, I just want everyone who goes into the polling booth to feel like they have some "skin in the game."

I've often said much the same thing: if you don't have a stake in society, in the form of property or other assets, why should you have a vote? Otherwise, you'll just vote to take it away from the haves, and give it to yourself and the other have-nots.
 
..and those over the age of 60, those without a school certificate, those that don't own guns, those that are physically disabled, those that don't have a passport, those that have a foreign passport, those that are non-white, fuck it those that are non-Arian...
 
I've often said much the same thing: if you don't have a stake in society, in the form of property or other assets, why should you have a vote? Otherwise, you'll just vote to take it away from the haves, and give it to yourself and the other have-nots.


Well, because of the flip side. If you can take away someone's vote (and thus increase the power of your own), you'd be prone to just keep doing that until you controlled it all. (Soon after that, you'd be dead, of course, because voting isn't the only way to make one's opinion heard.)
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
It's not that I'm (that much of) an elitist - rather, I just want everyone who goes into the polling booth to feel like they have some "skin in the game."


I've often said much the same thing: if you don't have a stake in society, in the form of property or other assets, why should you have a vote? Otherwise, you'll just vote to take it away from the haves, and give it to yourself and the other have-nots.
1.- I live in a society. I conform to it's rules, routines and duties. That's "skin in the game" enough. If I can so arbitrarily be taken away the right to have a say in how the society is run, why should I have any mortal obligation to follow it's rules?

2.- What are "other assetts"?
 
I often reference the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in defending the concepts of human freedom, as expressed in those documents. I seldom have addressed the portion that failed to give women, native Americans or Blacks equality under the law.

While one can pick and choose those aspects one finds favorable in contemporary times, perhaps there was some logic and practicality in limiting the vote, that applies now as well as then?

Just a question mind you...:)

Amicus...
 
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1.- I live in a society. I conform to it's rules, routines and duties. That's "skin in the game" enough. If I can so arbitrarily be taken away the right to have a say in how the society is run, why should I have any mortal obligation to follow it's rules?

2.- What are "other assetts"?

1. As a matter of psychology there are some people who feel that they will always be on the short end of the stick and so will forever be in a position from which they take more from society than give. Though they may conform to the society's "rules and routines," they may feel that its "duties" will never apply to them. Their voting behavior is likely to reflect this, and I don't think that's a healthy thing for a democracy. Among other things is gives leverage to demagogues. A relatively low-cost means of mitigating this somewhat seems reasonable to me.

2. Oh, tits and ass, ability to dance, good singing voice, you know.

Seriously, financial assets like stocks and bonds, or real estate like a home or 160 acres on the prarie (with or without mule).
 
It was, perhaps, idealistic in concept, but the wisdom of the founding fathers, thought it beyond all possibility that a two thirds majority of the representatives of the people would do something stupid, like banning alchohol, passing an 'income tax', or, giving women unbridled rights to determine the course of society.

Although the Framers made it quite difficult to change, modify, amend the Constitution, it seems they didn't go quite far enough.

There are some requirement to exercising the right to vote, age is one, lack of a felonious record is another. One can understand the reluctance to include other qualifications, but the danger does exist that the 'have nots' will simply vote freedom away and that would be disastrous, not just to America, but to the world.

Amicus...
 
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