Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Should we let them in?

Should we educate them?

Should we heal them?

Should we cloth them?

Should we feed them?

Should we give them the proper papers for legal immigration, send them home and tell them to apply properly?

 

[Ishmael]

In order

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO, if they are caught entering illegally they should NEVER be considered for citizenship again. EVER.

Illegals are just that. Illegals, outside the law, criminals. Treat them that way.

If they don't like their own country, they can damn well go home and change it. Fuck'em.

Ishmael

 

[Basia]

Re: In order

Illegals are just that. Illegals, outside the law, criminals. Treat them that way.

If they don't like their own country, they can damn well go home and change it. Fuck'em.

Ishmael

My father came here illegally, does that mean he should be shipped off and told never to come back. He only just recently got his green card (which has expired a year ago and we are going through the re-application stages). I think that people NEED to be a bit more open minded about immergrants, if you apply the lodgic that every illegal immergrant needs to be sent back, then every decendant of the first immirants needs to be sent back as well, because they did not have the propper papers.

 

[p_p_man]

As a side issue to this thread...

I must admit that my heart went out to the families of all those illegals who disappeared when the Twin Towers were destroyed. Many illegals worked there in menial jobs but their relatives felt that they couldn't report them mising because it would draw the attention of the authorities onto themselves.

They had to bear their grief in silence and without help.

ppman

 

[Pagan_Dragon]

I think they have a right as a human being to find a better place to live. They should be able to live with out there children dieing because of war or no food.

 

[AmishPope]

I'm an American and I love illegal immigrants. Especially Mexicans. They wait on the corner in hope that someone will hire them, and you can pick them up and get them to paint your house for like ten bucks. What A country.

 

[BustyTheClown]

Re: In order

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO

NO, if they are caught entering illegally they should NEVER be considered for citizenship again. EVER.

Illegals are just that. Illegals, outside the law, criminals. Treat them that way.

If they don't like their own country, they can damn well go home and change it. Fuck'em.

Ishmael

How can you say that with a clear conscience? What if America turned into an outright shithole where nobody had any rights whatsoever and you were forced against your wishes and will to flee the country? Would you want the same attitude taken towards you and your own family?

"Fuck you all. Your children don't deserve clothing, food, an education. You don't deserve work to put a roof over the heads of your loved ones, to put food on their table. You are all parasites feeding off a society that does not recognize you as human beings with needs, both physical and otherwise. Fuck you. Go back home. You may be poor as hell, but you should go change your own damn system before mooching off ours."

It is ignorant and pompous to dismiss them as inhuman criminals who deserve to be sent back to whatever rats' nest from which they were escaping. Sure, some of them may just be taking an easy way out, but I seriously doubt people would risk their lives like that if they weren't even more terrified of what would happen if they stayed back. Besides, Amish is crude but correct -- they do many of the jobs most of us wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

You rely more upon these so-called "outside the law" "animals" than you may be willing to admit. Find that place in your heart that screamed about the lesbians and their deaf kids, and I hope you hear it screaming about what you so heartlessly posted.

 

[SINthysist]

Are best with butter and garlic.

Lots of veggies too.

All things must pass...

 

[Wyatt]

Mmmm...Lets see.They've buggared up their own countries to such an extent they want to go to another one.Then when they get there they can't be bothered to change so mainly stay in little enclaves whining on about how great the country they came from was before the Marxist/Fascist/nihilist regime took over.

As for America being founded by immigrants...True

But let's emphasise the word FOUNDED

Not jumped aboard for a free ride to claim a better lifestyle.Free house/education/food and et al.This is the British experience.

If the immigrants were just after Religious/political freedom they would claim asylum in France/Germany/Italy et cetera.The countries they have trekked through to get to the UK to claim Welfare at a VERY high level.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: In order

My father came here illegally, does that mean he should be shipped off and told never to come back. He only just recently got his green card (which has expired a year ago and we are going through the re-application stages). I think that people NEED to be a bit more open minded about immergrants, if you apply the lodgic that every illegal immergrant needs to be sent back, then every decendant of the first immirants needs to be sent back as well, because they did not have the propper papers.

You can "personalize this all you want. If your father was still an Illegal, I would've been on the phone to INS before I ever replied to this post.

Let's get one thing straight the words "immigrant" and "illegal alien" are not the same word. They are not interchangeable, they do NOT mean the same thing in any respect.

Soooo if you want to talk about immigrants. People that have entered the country legally, lived by the rules. START A THREAD ON THE SUBJECT. If you want to talk about all the contributions to the country that immigrants have made. START A THREAD ON THE SUBJECT. But don't FUCKING argue immigrants in the same thread as illegal aliens because THEY ARE NOT the same thing.

And YES, no proper papers, out of the country ya go. No argument, no exceptions. "Gee officer, I was only going 5 miles an hour over the limit, I shouldn't get a ticket for THAT."

I'm going to keep this attitude up through this whole thread until people get it through their heads that immigrants and illegal aliens are not the same subject or class of people. Until people understand that illegal is just that, illegal. My God, don't you have a fucking dictionary?

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

I think they have a right as a human being to find a better place to live. They should be able to live with out there children dieing because of war or no food.

They have NO rights what so ever. They are illegal. None citizens, outside the law.

The United States, and any other country in the world for that matter, has no obligation to become the recipient of individuals that, for what ever reason, find life a little to hard for them in their country of birth. No country on the face of the earth could sustain such an onslaught and retain it's national identity, or it's national treasury.

Ishmael

 

[SINthysist]

*SNAP*

Yes, illegal is undesireable.

How come it is the the mass merchants of America can find us if we fit a demographic,

but the guv'ment hasn't the slightest clue as to where the illegals are, and they're the ones in charge of them?

I say, let MasterCard hunt them down and validate if they're good little consumers, whom haven't seen the light, or if they

gotta go, gotta go...

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: In order

How can you say that with a clear conscience? What if America turned into an outright shithole where nobody had any rights whatsoever and you were forced against your wishes and will to flee the country? Would you want the same attitude taken towards you and your own family?

"Fuck you all. Your children don't deserve clothing, food, an education. You don't deserve work to put a roof over the heads of your loved ones, to put food on their table. You are all parasites feeding off a society that does not recognize you as human beings with needs, both physical and otherwise. Fuck you. Go back home. You may be poor as hell, but you should go change your own damn system before mooching off ours."

It is ignorant and pompous to dismiss them as inhuman criminals who deserve to be sent back to whatever rats' nest from which they were escaping. Sure, some of them may just be taking an easy way out, but I seriously doubt people would risk their lives like that if they weren't even more terrified of what would happen if they stayed back. Besides, Amish is crude but correct -- they do many of the jobs most of us wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

You rely more upon these so-called "outside the law" "animals" than you may be willing to admit. Find that place in your heart that screamed about the lesbians and their deaf kids, and I hope you hear it screaming about what you so heartlessly posted.

If the United States turned into a 'shithole' it would be because WE allowed, nay aided and abetted, it. Are we then to be allowed to go turn some other country into a 'shithole'?

Not one human being on the face of the earth was born with a gaurantee taped to their ass. While the plight of many on the face of the earth is indeed unfortunate, it is not the obligation of any one country to take them in and 'make things better' for them.

So what about the jobs? They will get done anyway if they are truly necessary jobs. The fact that you (plural, non-personal form of the article here) want a yard boy is NO excuse to tolerate illegal behavior.

What does the word 'lesbians' have to do with this thread? Further, should you go back, you will find that I never used that word in my posts in a perjorative manner. So once again you attempt to muddy the water by bringing up irrevelant subjects. Or for that matter, the word 'animals'. Please, find that word in my post's and point it out to me.

Everyone wants a better life for themselves and their children. More money, a better job, better schools. Is that an excuse for illegal behavior? Using your (personal, possesive form of the article here) logic, I should be able to rob a bank and not be punished because my kids need to go to college.

I suggest that if you truly feel that way, write your elected officials. Demand that the doors to the country be thrown open to anyone and everyone. Change the law. If you don't want to do that, just what is it you do want to do and how much are you willing to pay for it?

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Re: As a side issue to this thread...

I must admit that my heart went out to the families of all those illegals who disappeared when the Twin Towers were destroyed. Many illegals worked there in menial jobs but their relatives felt that they couldn't report them mising because it would draw the attention of the authorities onto themselves.

They had to bear their grief in silence and without help.

ppman

My heart also goes out to ALL the families of the victims of 9/11.

The fact that they could not jump on the gravy train that the government provided in the aftermath does NOT bother me at all.

In fact p_p_man, the fact that my government decided to be the unpremiumed insurer of the victims ex post facto DOES bother the shit out of me.

But, as you say, that is a subject for a seperate thread.

Ishmael

 

[Rex1960]

Should we let them in?
Should we educate them?
Should we heal them?
Should we cloth them?
Should we feed them?
Should we give them the proper papers for legal immigration, send them home and tell them to apply properly?

As the post subject tells "regardless of my country"
No
No
No
No
No

but.. who really want to leave his country by any reason may choose where to go... any country may choose how to handle...

all you americans - no offending , just a question:
what if native americans said "No" once upon a time ?

Rex

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

all you americans - no offending , just a question:
what if native americans said "No" once upon a time ?

Rex

Damn good example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy.

Ishmael

 

[heterotic]

Re: Re: Re: Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

Damn good example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy.

Ishmael

I'm cracking up. I'm seriously rolling on the floor in front of my computer, that made my morning.

 

[Rex1960]

definately

Damn good example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy.
Ishmael

No need to comment that point. So so true.

Rex

 

[BustyTheClown]

Re: Re: Re: Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

Damn good example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy.

Ishmael

You took an excellent point by Rex and turned it into something that isn't even relevant. The Native Americans had their land ripped from them because they simply didn't have enough destructive power against Europeans. That has no fucking thing to do with immigration policies. If you want to talk about that, though, you can examine what the Native Americans did with each other -- they were incredibly territorial and would defend said territory fiercly. If that isn't some sort of informal immigration policy I don't know what is.

I disagree that it would totally be our doing if American turned into a shithole, by the way. And were you suggesting that the illegal immigrants are making it such? Anyway, what happened to America being a place where people from any walk of life can come and be welcome? Europeans didn't have a pass to get in here at first; by *your* logic, it was their fault that Europe was hostile towards its own citizens and instead of getting the fuck out of there, they should have gone back home with their tail between their legs and possibly been killed, all because they shouldn't go someplace if they don't have the proper papers. Yes, I realize there wasn't any system to regulate who was coming into the country when Europeans first set foot here, but it's still comparable.

I put "animal" in quotes outside my quote of your post because the way you were talking about "aliens" made it sound like you thought they were animals without any right to a happy life. And by the way, it's not like their life here is a whole hell of a lot better than it was back home. I'm sure they're discriminated against plenty by people like you who have no sense of compassion for people in need of someplace to live where they won't live in squalor or die.

Like I said, you're heartless. Humanity should extend across the law. It's not like they kill anyone to get here. They are people seeking a better life, and I don't see who the hell you are to deny it to them.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

You took an excellent point by Rex and turned it into something that isn't even relevant. The Native Americans had their land ripped from them because they simply didn't have enough destructive power against Europeans. That has no fucking thing to do with immigration policies. If you want to talk about that, though, you can examine what the Native Americans did with each other -- they were incredibly territorial and would defend said territory fiercly. If that isn't some sort of informal immigration policy I don't know what is.

I disagree that it would totally be our doing if American turned into a shithole, by the way. And were you suggesting that the illegal immigrants are making it such? Anyway, what happened to America being a place where people from any walk of life can come and be welcome? Europeans didn't have a pass to get in here at first; by *your* logic, it was their fault that Europe was hostile towards its own citizens and instead of getting the fuck out of there, they should have gone back home with their tail between their legs and possibly been killed, all because they shouldn't go someplace if they don't have the proper papers. Yes, I realize there wasn't any system to regulate who was coming into the country when Europeans first set foot here, but it's still comparable.

I put "animal" in quotes outside my quote of your post because the way you were talking about "aliens" made it sound like you thought they were animals without any right to a happy life. And by the way, it's not like their life here is a whole hell of a lot better than it was back home. I'm sure they're discriminated against plenty by people like you who have no sense of compassion for people in need of someplace to live where they won't live in squalor or die.

Like I said, you're heartless. Humanity should extend across the law. It's not like they kill anyone to get here. They are people seeking a better life, and I don't see who the hell you are to deny it to them.

Your logic is inseperable from your imagination.

Which is often the case when someone who is paying little or nothing in the form of taxes demands that the rest of us dig deeper in our pockets so that "they" can "feel" better about themselves.

Quit school, renounce all things material, go amongst them and heal.

Ishmael

 

[heterotic]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Regardless of your country, illegal immigrants

I disagree that it would totally be our doing if American turned into a shithole, by the way.

I'll address a very limited section here: Doesn't government by the people and for the people mean that whatever happens is our fault? Even if a government isn't "by the people and for the people" in so many words, it is formed of the actions of individual people. If everyone in Iraq stopped doing what Saddam Hussein told them to do, at the same time, he would have no power whatsoever.

Obviously, the details of a revolution are more complicated then that, but the direction a country takes is fundamentally the responsibility of its citizens.

 

[AskACumSlut]

Without illegal immigrants in Texas, California, Georgia, Florida, Colorado, etc...who would fill all those low paying jobs? No one until they became higher paying jobs that increased the cost of all goods and services across the board. Government statistics and any rational economist knows this.

It's easy to be a cockhead like Mr. Ishmael once your people are safe and secure in the land of milk and honey. But put him and his people on the other side of the fence and I'm sure the argument would be just as vehemently slanted for entry.

 

[kotori]

We could just do away with borders and then let everybody come and go as they like. What's with all this nation-state stuff anyway? Capital moves freely from one place to another, workers should as well.

You-hoo! We won the Cold War, remember? And we're winning the war to make all the world like western/euopean/north american? What's the problem?

 

[heterotic]

I think people's only real problem with it is being forced to pay someone else's way through life.

 

[Ishmael]

Without illegal immigrants in Texas, California, Georgia, Florida, Colorado, etc...who would fill all those low paying jobs? No one until they became higher paying jobs that increased the cost of all goods and services across the board. Government statistics and any rational economist knows this.

It's easy to be a cockhead like Mr. Ishmael once your people are safe and secure in the land of milk and honey. But put him and his people on the other side of the fence and I'm sure the argument would be just as vehemently slanted for entry.

"Illegal immigrants" is an oxymoron used by the vapid to bastardize the language to suit their own agenda. There are immigrants and there are illegal aliens. Which would you like to discuss?

If the ranting cum-slut would really like to put her cum where her mouth is, please, open your doors to all the homeless in your town/city/county. Impress us with your deeds, for your words aren't doing the job. Report to us just how well they are fitting into your household, the contributions they are making, the massive home expansion project they are funding out of their own pocket so that more and more may come through your front door. How your utilitiy payments haven't changed because they are so parsimonious with what you have offered freely. The day by day serenity that you must feel, and the overwhelming sense of having control of your own destiny. However, don't insult my intelligence by telling me it's "not the same thing" because it's exactly the same thing, the only difference is the magnitude.

Ishmael