Regarding Ukraine

[Rightguide]

I want Russia to lose. at the very least I want Putin to be punished.

Yes, but then some of us are here to deal in reality and the art of the possible. Not just what is morally right or wrong.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Yes, but then some of us are here to deal in reality and the art of the possible. Not just what is morally right or wrong.

If the Russian people do not suffer because of this war Putin or his successor will be tempted to invade other countries.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Yes, but then some of us are here to deal in reality and the art of the possible. Not just what is morally right or wrong.

Reality Putin is a war criminal
The rest of the world would arrest him
Trump gave him a firm butt licking

The possible?? He should have been arrested!! International problem? Yeah. like continuing to kill civilians isn’t ???

It would have taken balls worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize!! It would keep Cheney and Bush from ever travel abroad!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sanctions don’t hurt Russia, they hurt our allies. China happily buys Russia’s sanctioned oil and gas, refines it, and sells it back to Europe at a markup, pocketing the profit. Ukraine lacks the power to cripple Russia’s vast energy network, yet Russia has already proven it can wipe out Ukraine’s refineries and power grid at will. On the battlefield, Ukraine has been beaten. What remains is not strategy or military advantage, but sacrifice, sacrifice for the fading illusions and misplaced principles of Volodymyr Zelensky.

That doesn't seem to be the case. Their economy seems to have taken substantial hits. Obviously they can still offload to China but we can of course sanction China also. That was the plan wasn't it?

 

[Rightguide]

Reality Putin is a war criminal
The rest of the world would arrest him
Trump gave him a firm butt licking

The possible?? He should have been arrested!! International problem? Yeah. like continuing to kill civilians isn’t ???

It would have taken balls worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize!! It would keep Cheney and Bush from ever travel abroad!

So how do any of the above assumptions on your part further the cause of either side in the War in Ukraine?

 

[Rightguide]

That doesn't seem to be the case. Their economy seems to have taken substantial hits. Obviously they can still offload to China but we can of course sanction China also. That was the plan wasn't it?

Sean, take a close look at the Russian economy. It's almost self-sustaining. It has vast resources stretching over 11 time zones. Its economy is now on a war footing. Russia is processing 30-35,000 troops a month, and Ukraine is admitting 60-year-old men into its army. The writing is on the wall. It's clear to me the Russians are in the driver's seat on this one, and there is little anyone can do about it at this stage, that includes us.

 

[Rightguide]

If the Russian people do not suffer because of this war Putin or his successor will be tempted to invade other countries.

I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence of a Russian willingness to move westward into Europe. How do you think we can make the Russian people "suffer" without going to war with Russia?

 

[JohnEngelman]

I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence of a Russian willingness to move westward into Europe. How do you think we can make the Russian people "suffer" without going to war with Russia?

AI Overview

The Ukraine war has significantly impacted Russia by triggering international sanctions, causing the withdrawal of foreign companies, and disrupting its defense-industrial base by diverting arms to the battlefield and missing international delivery deadlines. While Russia initially weathered economic sanctions, long-term effects are predicted to emerge from the loss of skilled workers and damage to its economy. The conflict has also affected Russia's international influence, leading to a reshaped global arms market and a potential shift in geopolitical dynamics, with China poised to benefit from Russia's reduced export capacity, according to RAND.

Economic Impacts

• Sanctions and Market Withdrawal:
  Over 40 nations have implemented sanctions against Russia, including financial restrictions and export controls, with many Western companies also withdrawing from the Russian market.
  
  
• Long-Term Economic Damage:
  While Russia initially managed to mitigate the immediate financial shock, the sustained sanctions, combined with the departure of foreign firms and potential damage to its energy exports, are expected to severely harm the Russian economy in the medium to long term, according to Bruegel.
  
  
• Loss of Talent:
  The war has prompted the emigration of skilled workers, particularly in the tech sector, which could weaken Russia's long-term participation in the knowledge economy, notes the University of Virginia School
• https://www.google.com/search?q=Ukr...3LjG4B-sSwgcIMC4xLjIyLjfIB7QB&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[dmallord]

Yes, but then some of us are here to deal in reality and the art of the possible. Not just what is morally right or wrong.

That places you outside of morally right and wrong? Figures.

 

[dmallord]

I don't think so. I haven't seen any evidence of a Russian willingness to move westward into Europe. How do you think we can make the Russian people "suffer" without going to war with Russia?

You are not paying attention to Russian history or to Putin's proclamations are you? But, I'm leaning in that direction also, for different reasons:

• Stagnant front lines for three years by Russian troops.
• Over 1,000,000 dead Russians on the battlefields. Some outside recruits are failing Russia on the fronts.
• The Russian summer advancements fell apart without gains. Troops are turning on Russian leaders in the field.
• Ukraine is advancing reclaiming old territory.
• Crimea is being heavily targeted and Russians are leaving in droves.
• Russian mechanized units have been so degraded that infantry advancement is without support.
• Russia has lost 20% of its oil refinery capacity due to just a handful of Ukrainian drones, with more to come.
• Winter is coming and Russian homes and factories are without oil for heating.
• Ukraine's innovative missile designs are extending their range into Russia's heartland. More lost oil refineries.
• Russian economists say it is now in a recession. Bank accounts are frozen at home and abroad.
• The EU is bolstering the war effort.
• Trump is pissed over Putin making him look like a TACO. [Will Trump provide the holdback Ukrainian aid?]

Give Ukraine tools and funds, and it will break Russia's once invincible armies' backbones in another year.

 

[Pad_Foot]

That doesn't seem to be the case. Their economy seems to have taken substantial hits. Obviously they can still offload to China but we can of course sanction China also. That was the plan wasn't it?

Sure but T A C. O
And… Putin said “no”