Reflections on Gentleman Doms

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Dominant Traits - Submission is Earned Not Ordered

In my seemingly endless quest to identify and describe the essence of Dominance and submission I have often found it easier to describe what it is not versus what it is. My writing it turns out has been less an act of description and more an effort to identify boundaries, framing D/s into something coherent and tangible. So once again I am going to begin with the contrast of what Dominance is not, and in so doing hopefully allude to what it is.

The greatest misconception I see from aspiring and wannabe Doms is that Dominance is about asserting active control and giving orders to satisfy one’s own desires. There is no doubt that the carrying out of commands can be a manifestation and indeed a fringe benefit of being a Dominant, but the selfish motivation is all wrong. Hubris, hedonism and narcissism are not the bedrock on which Dominance is built. Indeed, they are the enemy and even antithesis of successful dominance.

A submissive does not initially kneel because she has been ordered to. A submissive kneels because a Dominant has entered her world who recognized her deep seated need to kneel before another and serve them completely. But she does not kneel simply because she is in the company of one claiming to be a Dominant. Rather, she does so because someone has finally proven themselves worthy of her gifts and has successfully unlocked her desire to grant them without reservation.

The Dominant does not accomplish this through orders but rather through patient questioning and attentive active listening. The Dominant does not order a submissive to her knees to serve him but rather creates an environment of trust, desire and anticipation within which the submissive falls to her knees in devoted service of her own volition. Despite the pornographic BDSM imagery of force and even brutality and humiliation between a Dominant and submissive, long before there is kink and physical power exchange there is generally a full and complete emotional exchange of power. This is not done through bludgeoning or brutality but rather through patient and loving drawing out of desire. It is coaxing not command.

When my Muse first knelt for me I did not order her to her knees, she asked permission to do so. My job as Dominant was not to command but rather to enable. She reached the decision that I was the one she wanted to kneel before on her own. I simply created the environment where she felt comfortable, safe and desirous of doing so and I have the duty to continually and unfailingly nurture that environment for as long as our relationship continues. It is work. It is hard work.

A Dominant doesn’t get to enjoy this level of devotion and service by sitting back imperiously giving orders. They do so by continually and actively investing in the betterment of the relationship and the people within it. That means not only continually working to draw out the best in a submissive, but also continually seeking to be a better and more worthy Dominant. It is an active pursuit that takes hard work and unflinching dedication.

It is true that as a Dominant I get to give orders and often benefit directly from their being carried out; it is indeed good to be in command. But while I may be in command today, I have to continually earn the position, and could lose it in a heartbeat through misdeed or neglect. It is a revokable honor. But I did not gain the status of command by giving orders. I can give orders because the position of command has been granted me by a submissive. This is a distinction that seems to be lost on many.

Menacingly snarling out orders like “On your knees slut” does not make anyone a Dominant, but being a Dominant earns the ability to give such orders. Before any of that, the respect and desire of a submissive must be earned and that is an act of drawing out, not commanding. Only after submission is truly earned and freely given can a Dominant presume to have the right and ability to give orders. And even at that, obedience is only obtained when there is will and desire to do so. It is the job of the dominant to foster that desire.

I would argue that the title of Dominant or Master is NOT something one confers upon oneself as I so often see here on Tumblr and elsewhere. It is an identity and honorific that is earned from and bestowed by a submissive. I may believe myself to have a dominant personality, but I am not a “Dominant” or “Master” until a submissive identifies me as hers and we agree to that relationship. Anything less is mere posturing and bluster.

So the bottom line is that submission is earned not ordered. Dominance is a gentle act of drawing out not commanding; indeed it is a high form of seduction versus brutality. And while Dominants have egos, the act of dominance is not an ego-driven domineering state. It is perhaps most surprisingly an act of vulnerability and love.

Caption © For The Love of a Submissive, 2013

I offer this piece of writing tentatively. I know there has been quite a lot of discussion on this thread about whether submission is "earned" or not and whether it is a "gift" to one's Dom or not. I would suggest that I have seen this debated quite a bit back and forth by quite a number of people and I think it depends very much on one's experience, one's definition and understanding of these words and how they "feel" to them in the context of a power exchange sexual relationship. I do not believe there is a right and wrong answer to this particular question. I would ask the reader of the above writing to read past these particular questions and see if there are other insights that might be useful to further the conversation here.

cb :heart::heart::heart:
 
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Sometimes submission
has nothing to do with collars and crops.
Sometimes there are no chains,
no ropes.
There are no leather straps involved.
Sometimes you are not on your knees
or spread wide across a bed.
Sometimes submission
is a gentle surrender
to a man who at times
needs love as much as you.

blackvelevet Source: theotherpoems

CB - I saw this and thought it would fit with your contributions.:rose:
 
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Dominant Traits - Submission is Earned Not Ordered

In my seemingly endless quest to identify and describe the essence of Dominance and submission I have often found it easier to describe what it is not versus what it is. My writing it turns out has been less an act of description and more an effort to identify boundaries, framing D/s into something coherent and tangible. So once again I am going to begin with the contrast of what Dominance is not, and in so doing hopefully allude to what it is.

The greatest misconception I see from aspiring and wannabe Doms is that Dominance is about asserting active control and giving orders to satisfy one’s own desires. There is no doubt that the carrying out of commands can be a manifestation and indeed a fringe benefit of being a Dominant, but the selfish motivation is all wrong. Hubris, hedonism and narcissism are not the bedrock on which Dominance is built. Indeed, they are the enemy and even antithesis of successful dominance.

A submissive does not initially kneel because she has been ordered to. A submissive kneels because a Dominant has entered her world who recognized her deep seated need to kneel before another and serve them completely. But she does not kneel simply because she is in the company of one claiming to be a Dominant. Rather, she does so because someone has finally proven themselves worthy of her gifts and has successfully unlocked her desire to grant them without reservation.

The Dominant does not accomplish this through orders but rather through patient questioning and attentive active listening. The Dominant does not order a submissive to her knees to serve him but rather creates an environment of trust, desire and anticipation within which the submissive falls to her knees in devoted service of her own volition. Despite the pornographic BDSM imagery of force and even brutality and humiliation between a Dominant and submissive, long before there is kink and physical power exchange there is generally a full and complete emotional exchange of power. This is not done through bludgeoning or brutality but rather through patient and loving drawing out of desire. It is coaxing not command.

When my Muse first knelt for me I did not order her to her knees, she asked permission to do so. My job as Dominant was not to command but rather to enable. She reached the decision that I was the one she wanted to kneel before on her own. I simply created the environment where she felt comfortable, safe and desirous of doing so and I have the duty to continually and unfailingly nurture that environment for as long as our relationship continues. It is work. It is hard work.

A Dominant doesn’t get to enjoy this level of devotion and service by sitting back imperiously giving orders. They do so by continually and actively investing in the betterment of the relationship and the people within it. That means not only continually working to draw out the best in a submissive, but also continually seeking to be a better and more worthy Dominant. It is an active pursuit that takes hard work and unflinching dedication.

It is true that as a Dominant I get to give orders and often benefit directly from their being carried out; it is indeed good to be in command. But while I may be in command today, I have to continually earn the position, and could lose it in a heartbeat through misdeed or neglect. It is a revokable honor. But I did not gain the status of command by giving orders. I can give orders because the position of command has been granted me by a submissive. This is a distinction that seems to be lost on many.

Menacingly snarling out orders like “On your knees slut” does not make anyone a Dominant, but being a Dominant earns the ability to give such orders. Before any of that, the respect and desire of a submissive must be earned and that is an act of drawing out, not commanding. Only after submission is truly earned and freely given can a Dominant presume to have the right and ability to give orders. And even at that, obedience is only obtained when there is will and desire to do so. It is the job of the dominant to foster that desire.

I would argue that the title of Dominant or Master is NOT something one confers upon oneself as I so often see here on Tumblr and elsewhere. It is an identity and honorific that is earned from and bestowed by a submissive. I may believe myself to have a dominant personality, but I am not a “Dominant” or “Master” until a submissive identifies me as hers and we agree to that relationship. Anything less is mere posturing and bluster.

So the bottom line is that submission is earned not ordered. Dominance is a gentle act of drawing out not commanding; indeed it is a high form of seduction versus brutality. And while Dominants have egos, the act of dominance is not an ego-driven domineering state. It is perhaps most surprisingly an act of vulnerability and love.

Caption © For The Love of a Submissive, 2013

I offer this piece of writing tentatively. I know there has been quite a lot of discussion on this thread about whether submission is "earned" or not and whether it is a "gift" to one's Dom or not. I would suggest that I have seen this debated quite a bit back and forth by quite a number of people and I think it depends very much on one's experience, one's definition and understanding of these words and how they "feel" to them in the context of a power exchange sexual relationship. I do not believe there is a right and wrong answer to this particular question. I would ask the reader of the above writing to read past these particular questions and see if there are other insights that might be useful to further the conversation here.

cb :heart::heart::heart:

Hi my name is Ash, well not really but for lit purposes it is.

I am an enabler, a pusher, a dealer of drugs more fine, than anything that is illegal. I peddle self esteem. I am a Daddy Dom.... My Little lurks on here, so if she does not want answer she may through me. I do not control as much as enable, and give my strength. In return I get her innocence and love. I have been the Real Dom before, I have held everything from true Pain Sluts, Celebrities, to Lesbians who just needed to reach another state. I am the happiest I have ever been. We have the start of a true partnership.

Now let clarify my feeling on some points, we all have our own POV, and I will discuss your POV all you want, I will not tolerate any disrespect of my Little, or our situation, nor will I disrespect yours.

Point 1 BDSM is an incorrect name it really should be Ds/SM (B), why you ask, bondage threads everywhere from DD/lg to animal role play, to hangers, and exstream body molders. And it should be shown as a coordinates grid. Dom to the north, Sub to the south, Sado to the east and Maso to the west. I do not self identify with as a Sado, or a Maso so I am in the middle for that plane. However I feel in the Bedroom I am very Dominate so I would be high on that plane, so my Coordanates are 8,0.

Point 2. Comunication and negotiation are everything, from the disturbing trend, of subs not knowing their colors, to a lack of even a verbal contract, setting hard and soft limits. and contracts should be renegotiated frequently as life changes, and brings new external factors.

Point 3. Why sex plays a heavy role in our community, it is seperate from Fetish. If you need to order a some person around, or have your dick bitten, to orgasm, you have a fetish, not a kink. It is common to have both, I do not.

Point 4. A gentleman Dom builds he does not degrade, unless it is to help rebuild, I use the scouts unofficial motto. Leave it better than you found it.

Point 5. I am a long winded fellow.

Ash
 
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Question for the consideration of the Doms in the room:

How did you come to understand yourself as a Dom? Was this a slow process or a thunderclap? Did you just realize or did you have a relationship with a submissive who helped you "discover" your nature?

I was lost trying to find my way in the Big City of Atlanta, I was a LARPer, and thought I could make it anywhere. I met a girl who quickly became a best friend, who had a job at a night club in Atlanta. She took me there first, on a night off. I had never seen any sort of BDSM, and I was enraptured. I am a very passionate and intnse person, so I threw my self in by researching on the then Alta Vista search engine. Gem my friend, was/is a sub, and was my first, and recognized what was in me, before I do, she secured me a mentor ship with the owner. So I would have to say a relationship with a sub was my gateway.
 
Ok, I'll answer this since no-one else has yet.

For me, I knew I was different from the first time I started fantasising about the girls I knew. I always thought about tying them up, taking them against their will and I thought I was defective as I never saw it on the TV.

Then at the age of 20 I met someone who would eventually become my first sub and my now ex-wife, who had some D/s experience and who, during some very long conversations over a few years, gave me the basics of what D/s was

Since then it's been 18 years of constant learning and discovering new facets of myself and the things I enjoy.

So no real thunderbolt moment, it's part of who I have always been, sexually at least, and it just took someone with the right vocabulary to let me put it into words.

I was lost trying to find my way in the Big City of Atlanta, I was a LARPer, and thought I could make it anywhere. I met a girl who quickly became a best friend, who had a job at a night club in Atlanta. She took me there first, on a night off. I had never seen any sort of BDSM, and I was enraptured. I am a very passionate and intnse person, so I threw my self in by researching on the then Alta Vista search engine. Gem my friend, was/is a sub, and was my first, and recognized what was in me, before I do, she secured me a mentor ship with the owner. So I would have to say a relationship with a sub was my gateway.

Thank you Mal and Ash...
Next???
:heart:
 
Gentlemen? Truly nothing to add here?
Indulge me on my bday weekend.
Surely someone has something to add to this thread.

Slinger? Dessentes? subtleDom? Callmetim? Bueller???

~~~:heart::rose::heart:~~~​
 
Gentleman, does not mean you are Gentle man... Surly there must be others on Lit, that self identify this way?
 
Gentleman, does not mean you are Gentle man... Surly there must be others on Lit, that self identify this way?

I obviously don't identify as a gentleman ;) But from a female and little perspective, being a gentleman is about knowing when to be gentle and when to be not gentle. Personally, while gentleness and tenderness have their place, so do their opposites, and are every bit as important.

A gentleman is the entire picture. And more than being physically 'gentle' it is about the way he conducts himself.

I know that personally, I can relax with this kind of man. I know he's reading me. My reactions. I can relax because that makes me feel safe, that when out in public, he won't be boorish or embarrassing. But when the time is right, I know he's going to take my breath away. He's an animal, who brings out my animal. :heart:
 
New to this thread, but as my nick perhaps suggests, I've always found old fashioned good manners, a certain ritual formality and respect for others essential in BDSM play - and also very hot!

Not merely consent, but 'please' and 'thank you'.
 
New to this thread, but as my nick perhaps suggests, I've always found old fashioned good manners, a certain ritual formality and respect for others essential in BDSM play - and also very hot!

Not merely consent, but 'please' and 'thank you'.

Thank you, I find the lack of Formailty amongst the Dominate set appalling.
 
I am sorry, I do not know what this means? Would please enlighten me?

I'm pretty sure fyp = for your pleasure

in a different context I would suggest it means "fixed your post"

Honey? Yes?:heart:

Yes. :)

I took the liberty of volunteering my services as editor to DaddyAsh and replacing 'Dominate' (verb) with 'dominant' (adjective),
which is what he meant to put, I'm sure. ;):rose:
 
Yes. :)

I took the liberty of volunteering my services as editor to DaddyAsh and replacing 'Dominate' (verb) with 'dominant' (adjective),
which is what he meant to put, I'm sure. ;):rose:

Thank You very much,

I have a Florida Public School Education, with Dyslexia on top of it..... So I tend to miss things on proof reading before hitting the post button.
 
Recognizing that this is not exclusively a DD/lg thread (perhaps substitute in your mind "babygirl" for pyl/sub name of choice)
- does the above ring true for other Dominants in the room? Why or why not?

Yes, though "Daddy" and "girl" are not in constant use for us. I think that the thrust of the words in the graphic would apply to any solid relationship between adults. In fact, the underlying assumption seems to be that it ought to be surprising that the Daddy could learn from his girl. It's not and it ought not to be surprising.
 
Gentlemen? Truly nothing to add here?
Indulge me on my bday weekend.
Surely someone has something to add to this thread.

Slinger? Dessentes? subtleDom? Callmetim? Bueller???

~~~:heart::rose::heart:~~~​

I'm sorry I didn't see this during your birthday weekend but I suppose I'll give it a go. I'm really not sure what you're looking for specifically but I'll talk about my personal experience.

I'm not into the BDSM lifestyle at all, and in fact some of it kind of freaks me out from a personal comfort level standpoint, (no offense to anyone who's into it, I just mean a lot of what goes on is not inside my personal comfort zone) but I do skew toward the dominant side and every woman (and girl in my high school days I guess) I've ever done anything with has at least leaned toward the submissive end of the spectrum. In fact all my friends with whom this has come up are at least a little bit submissive too so I think that's interesting. (I only like to be friends with women. I don't get along with guys that well. I have too much alpha male in me I guess)

So I guess what I would consider my "thing" as far as this goes is a lot more about serving my partner's needs as opposed to mine. I know that's kind of the opposite of what a lot of people consider a "dom" to be but the way I discovered I was a little on the dom side is when the first person I was ever with told me she liked to be held down, liked it a little bit rough, and wanted to be "taken" and "used." Being pretty young at the time I don't think I quite got what that meant but I took to it pretty fast. As in I decide what positions we're going to do and when, I control the pace, that kind of thing. I had a conversation with some people here recently about this too but I've also had a number of experiences with what I think they call "clothed male naked female" or "CMNF" as I've heard it referred to as here. I think that's part of it too. There's definitely a power dynamic there.

And I'm also attracted sexually and romantically to women who are a little younger than me. Like mid-20s, probably. The first person I ever really talked to here a couple of weeks ago just turned 26 and some of my favorite people to talk to online and over the phone are a little younger than that. I had a bit of a crush on someone who's only 22 not too long ago too.

So I don't know if that qualifies me as a "dom" but I definitely do like some lighter stuff. And I honestly don't care if someone likes me or not but I do try to be nice to people in general, unless I think you're an asshole and then I'd rather not deal with you but if I have to I have no problem telling you what I think about you, but I've been described as a "gentleman" many times. I don't know if I agree with that as I can definitely be a dick from time to time but I generally do like to be relatively easy going and treat people well in general. If you're minding your business and not being an asshole to people who don't deserve it I'll usually leave you alone, for example.
 
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