Recount?

[toubab]

Jill Stein beats deadline in Pennsylvania but faces uphill battle for recount

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016...attle-for-recount/6051480360146/?spt=slh&or=1

"HARRISBURG, Pa., Nov. 28 (UPI) -- Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein officially filed for an election recount in Pennsylvania on Monday, but she needs to do a lot more to actually get elections officials to start reviewing votes -- and she doesn't have much time to do it.

Stein filed a request with the Pennsylvania Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation on Monday, meeting the deadline for a recount. Last week, her campaign successfully filed for similar efforts in Wisconsin, and this week she will file for a recount in Michigan, where the deadline is Wednesday."

"But Stein's fight in the Keystone State will be a very difficult one.

In order to actually trigger a recount statewide, which is the goal, Stein needs to find nearly 30,000 individual voters and have them submit an affidavit requesting the recount -- that's three voters for all 9,163 precincts in the state. If she does find 27,000-plus voters to do that, they must file their affidavits by the end of business Monday.

"We need volunteers to observe #Recount2016 and voters to fill out affidavits to initiate the Pennsylvania recount," Stein tweeted on Monday afternoon.

If those requirements are not satisfied, there will be no recount in Pennsylvania -- at least not without a lawsuit."


Here's the kicker:

""Pennsylvania is using technology from the '80s made by the companies that don't exist anymore. In computer years, that's a very long time ago," Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting, said.

However, the very fact that the voting machines are so old may be the factor that renders the entire motivation for a recount moot.

"They can't be hacked," Gerald Feaser, Jr., elections director for Dauphin County, told the Times, noting that the 30-year-old machines have never been connected to the Internet."

 

[Ms_Ann]

Trump wins Michigan again, eh.

 

[about_average]

"They can't be hacked," Gerald Feaser, Jr., elections director for Dauphin County, told the Times, noting that the 30-year-old machines have never been connected to the Internet."

Nice to see they have a fool for an elections director.

 

[Ishmael]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016...attle-for-recount/6051480360146/?spt=slh&or=1

"HARRISBURG, Pa., Nov. 28 (UPI) -- Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein officially filed for an election recount in Pennsylvania on Monday, but she needs to do a lot more to actually get elections officials to start reviewing votes -- and she doesn't have much time to do it.

Stein filed a request with the Pennsylvania Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation on Monday, meeting the deadline for a recount. Last week, her campaign successfully filed for similar efforts in Wisconsin, and this week she will file for a recount in Michigan, where the deadline is Wednesday."

"But Stein's fight in the Keystone State will be a very difficult one.

In order to actually trigger a recount statewide, which is the goal, Stein needs to find nearly 30,000 individual voters and have them submit an affidavit requesting the recount -- that's three voters for all 9,163 precincts in the state. If she does find 27,000-plus voters to do that, they must file their affidavits by the end of business Monday.

"We need volunteers to observe #Recount2016 and voters to fill out affidavits to initiate the Pennsylvania recount," Stein tweeted on Monday afternoon.

If those requirements are not satisfied, there will be no recount in Pennsylvania -- at least not without a lawsuit."


Here's the kicker:

""Pennsylvania is using technology from the '80s made by the companies that don't exist anymore. In computer years, that's a very long time ago," Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting, said.

However, the very fact that the voting machines are so old may be the factor that renders the entire motivation for a recount moot.

[b]"They can't be hacked[/b]," Gerald Feaser, Jr., elections director for Dauphin County, told the Times, noting that the 30-year-old machines have never been connected to the Internet."

In the context of current understanding of hacking, this is true. But they can be compromised. But due to their lack of connectivity the 'hacker' would have to have physical access to each and every machine. A virtual impossibility. However compromising machines in select districts is a possibility. On the down side, for the 'hacker' that is, there would be a distinct 'fingerprint' that would show that the machine had been compromised and it would have to be an 'inside' job. The difficulties associated with 'hacking' such a machine would be virtually insurmountable for the effort to have any effect on the results. Particularly in a state wide election. The possibility of changing the results of an election increase the further down the ballot you go. ie. local elections where few numbers of votes would have to be changed to effect the outcome.

Given Trump's margin of victory in PA. the attempt at a recount is a joke.

MI uses paper ballots to the possibility of vote change there is next to impossible as well.

Leaving WI out there on it's own, a state with an electoral count that would be insignificant to the outcome even if it were found to be for Clinton.

As an opinion on my part, all states should use paper ballots, there should be no early voting, and the polls close at the advertised time no matter how long the line. Absentee ballots are quite sufficient to cover those instances where a voter can not make it to the polls on election day. Further, voting should take effort on the part of the voter. It's not as if it's an everyday occurrence and it shouldn't be as casual as stopping by the local convenience store for a jug of milk. I further want to see the repeal of 'motor voter.' A law that is rife for the possibility of mischief. If you want to vote you should have to make the effort to register at sanctioned places of registry. And in that registry process, and at the poll, you should have to show that you are who you are, ie. photo ID.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Trump: Millions of people illegally voted for Hillary!

Stein: A recount is on the way. You're welcome!

Trump: * crickets cherping *

chirping

di nada

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There is no way Stein or anybody else can meet all the requirements for a recount in Pennsylvania without getting a court order to extend the deadline for meeting those requirements. Pennsylvania makes it very, very difficult to get a recount.

This recount idea is bizarre. It's doomed from the start.

Apparently, the Democrats even managed to turn this effort into a clusterfuck.

All that money wasted. If you're a Democrat...,



That's what you do!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I agree on the early voting.

It is a sham designed to help political activists round up the mentally incompetent, flatter them, tell them how important they are, who to vote for to "protect" themselves and not have to do it on election day and strain their precious resources...

 

[about_average]

In the context of current understanding of hacking, this is true.

You love stating as fact something you obviously have very limited understanding of, don't you?

 

[Magnetron]

The voting technology in Carrie is about 40 years old.



It ended badly for everyone.

 

[Lancecastor]

I agree on the early voting.

It is a sham designed to help political activists round up the mentally incompetent, flatter them, tell them how important they are, who to vote for to "protect" themselves and not have to do it on election day and strain their precious resources...

When i first got started in politics, i was the guy who drove little old ladies to the polls.

The candidate had a list of all the schoolteachers from every school he attended.

Every vote counts.

 

[Magnetron]

http://wbay.com/2016/11/22/discrepancies-in-unofficial-outagamie-county-election-results-explained/

Trump lead in Wisconsin shrinks 17% weeks before Stein's Recount begins

 

[Lancecastor]

USA Presidential Elections have been decided by The Carlyle Group for nearly 30 years.

But this Recount stuff is a good way to bolster faith in democracy.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

As an opinion on my part, all states should use paper ballots, there should be no early voting, and the polls close at the advertised time no matter how long the line. Absentee ballots are quite sufficient to cover those instances where a voter can not make it to the polls on election day.

Provided that there are sufficient polling places I'd tend to agree with you. Particularly on the paper ballots.

Disagree on the "polls close at the advertised time no matter how long the line". That is nonsensical.

 

[domroger]

Disagree on the "polls close at the advertised time no matter how long the line". That is nonsensical.

That does not happen in any civilised country .But with the rush by the GOP to get back to the Good Old Days ,expect it in the US soon .

 

[MeeMie]

Words of wisdom

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016...itutionalized-non-citizen-voters-flood-rolls/

 

[Magnetron]

Words of wisdom

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016...itutionalized-non-citizen-voters-flood-rolls/

Words of wisdom

Don't waste your time at Breitbart.com

 

[BoyNextDoor]

That does not happen in any civilised country .But with the rush by the GOP to get back to the Good Old Days ,expect it in the US soon .

I am looking for places where we can all get along.

Voting on Tuesday is a relic of when people needed a day of travel to the county seat to vote (Sunday is for God, so travel on Monday and vote on Tuesday ...). Add to that voting on Saturdays, Presidential elections being national holidays ... and similar and I think we are onto something very interesting.

But the key is the paper ballot - 100%

 

[Beco]

$12 million bucks now....tax payers foot the bill

 

[Christobal]

Let them keep digging for the outcome that that will be the same. Maybe then they will be quiet. Not that I think they will but at least there will one less thing they can claim happened.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Of all the things to piss and moan about - getting elections results as accurate as possible is not one of them.

 

[Christobal]

Of all the things to piss and moan about - getting elections results as accurate as possible is not one of them.

I agree. Let whoever dig as much as they want.

Edited to add.

It would be nice if they said we checked into it and nothing happened. I won't be holding my breath on that one.

 

[OldJourno]

Of all the things to piss and moan about - getting elections results as accurate as possible is not one of them.

Right. So we'll know Trump won Michigan by 10,786 votes instead of 10,783.

 

[sr71plt]

Right. So we'll know Trump won Michigan by 10,786 votes instead of 10,783.

Your concern indicates you're afraid of something.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Of all the things to piss and moan about - getting elections results as accurate as possible is not one of them.

I agree 100%

This is a good argument.

However, the demands are coming from a candidate who has nothing to gain and is suddenly awash in cash. She is bilking the anger of those who are grieving and in the process of grieving, the first steps of which are denial and anger. There is no mathematical chance of overturning the election.

So why is she actually doing this if it is not PR and possible future stature.

I just read that even the Green party has disowned her...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Your concern indicates you're afraid of something.

The only people who are afraid of something are those who think they have a valid shot at reversing their nightmare...