Recount?

[phrodeau]

Because she suspects something funyn went down and frankly Trump is likely to be a bad president but we have no clue. Is there any reason to doubt Stien is just a decent human being who has seen the exit polls and suspects something hinky went down?

Seems clear to me that Jill Stein is out to secure a place in whichever admin wins the recount.

 

[Conager]

That is abysmal reading comprehension. Of course hackers exist.

Idiot.

 

[Conager]

Seems clear to me that Jill Stein is out to secure a place in whichever admin wins the recount.

As if that is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[hashtag4]

That is abysmal reading comprehension. Of course hackers exist.

Come to think of it, the suspicion of irregularities or other conspiracy theories wouldn't be such outlandish ideas
after all.

Given how Wikileaks decided to conveniently release that info about Hillary during elections, and that the FBI made that statement -even more conveniently so- just a week before the Z day

 

[John Blackhawk]

The point I failed to make is that the person demanding a recount should have a legitimate personal stake in the outcome. No one can argue the Green Party will triumph over all odds with a recount.

I'm inclined to agree I mean if anything it gives hillary an opening to pull some sort of funny business.

 

[toubab]

Whatever the actual reason for Stein asking for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, such recounts are a complete waste of time and whatever money is spent on them. Realistically, there is virtually no chance of the results being overturned in any one of these states, much less all three, which is what it would take for Hillary to prevail.

 

[Not Normal]

The point I failed to make is that the person demanding a recount should have a legitimate personal stake in the outcome. No one can argue the Green Party will triumph over all odds with a recount.

She is a citizen, and thus has a vested interest in the future of the nation.

 

[OldJourno]

She is a citizen, and thus has a vested interest in the future of the nation.

I have a vested interest, too, as do all Americans. That doesn't give me standing. Considering the numbers she pulled on Nov. 8, I don't see how that gives her a standing more compelling than mine.

 

[John Blackhawk]

I have a vested interest, too, as do all Americans. That doesn't give me standing. Considering the numbers she pulled on Nov. 8, I don't see how that gives her a standing more compelling than mine.

well said....

 

[Sean Renaud]

The point I failed to make is that the person demanding a recount should have a legitimate personal stake in the outcome. No one can argue the Green Party will triumph over all odds with a recount.

I have a vested interest, too, as do all Americans. That doesn't give me standing. Considering the numbers she pulled on Nov. 8, I don't see how that gives her a standing more compelling than mine.

It should give you standing, making sure that we have free and accurate elections is everybody's duty and if you had adequate reason to believe there was shenanigans you should be able to file the suit. Now in real life that's not quite the case which sometimes is painfully stupid. Like while I think it was just a snipe at Cruz and blatant racism against Obama are we honestly going to wait until a man born outside this country wins an election to cess out that whole "natural born citizen" nonsense. Which is absolute nonsense by the way, you are an American if you are born in America or to American citizens by birth. You don't need both. I would assume that people would laugh me out of the room if I made the argument that Trump shouldn't be president because he was c-section. That shit worked on Macbeth, coming out through an incision is not a natural birth. But regardless of what the FF wrote down I'm fairly certain that isn't what they MEANT.

Regardless while it's impossible that Jill pulls ahead she is a candidate just like Gary Johnson. They have both the legal standing and the political leeway.

Seems clear to me that Jill Stein is out to secure a place in whichever admin wins the recount.

Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. I'm not sure why it's impossible that she simply wants to do the right thing or more likely just thinks that Trump is sufficiently bad to break the "encase of Emergency" glass.

Whatever the actual reason for Stein asking for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, such recounts are a complete waste of time and whatever money is spent on them. Realistically, there is virtually no chance of the results being overturned in any one of these states, much less all three, which is what it would take for Hillary to prevail.

Agreed. I am curious how close a race you think would qualify for one.

 

[Conager]

It should give you standing, making sure that we have free and accurate elections is everybody's duty and if you had adequate reason to believe there was shenanigans you should be able to file the suit. Now in real life that's not quite the case which sometimes is painfully stupid. Like while I think it was just a snipe at Cruz and blatant racism against Obama are we honestly going to wait until a man born outside this country wins an election to cess out that whole "natural born citizen" nonsense. Which is absolute nonsense by the way, you are an American if you are born in America or to American citizens by birth. You don't need both. I would assume that people would laugh me out of the room if I made the argument that Trump shouldn't be president because he was c-section. That shit worked on Macbeth, coming out through an incision is not a natural birth. But regardless of what the FF wrote down I'm fairly certain that isn't what they MEANT.

Regardless while it's impossible that Jill pulls ahead she is a candidate just like Gary Johnson. They have both the legal standing and the political leeway.



Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't. I'm not sure why it's impossible that she simply wants to do the right thing or more likely just thinks that Trump is sufficiently bad to break the "encase of Emergency" glass.



Agreed. I am curious how close a race you think would qualify for one.

You do realize that making sure that we have free and accurate elections according to Democratic National Committee talking points was racist up until Hillary lost?

True the vote was specifically singled out as a racist organization for simply wanting to purge the voter rolls of the dead and the imaginary.

The party that's against identifying voters doesn't really have any room to concern themselves with who voted, and how often.

 

[phrodeau]

I wonder who has created the most jobs at this moment, Donald Trump or Jill Stein?

 

[Ishmael]

Agreed. I am curious how close a race you think would qualify for one.

Without diving into the rest of your reply, virtually all states have an automatic recount law in effect. In most states if the vote is within 1%, a recount is automatic.

Moving on, if you agree, then what is the point of following your agreement with that question? If a recount were prescribed, it would have been done by now.

It's also ironic to me that Hillary would jump back in after having already conceded. Isn't she doing the exact thing she spent the last several weeks of the campaign accusing Trump of planning to do. And holding that up as evidence of his unfitness for office? The irony certainly isn't lost on me, how about you?

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

Agreed. I am curious how close a race you think would qualify for one.

Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are definitely not close enough for a recount, in my opinion. Michigan perhaps would be, except they use paper ballots exclusively, so there is almost no chance of hacking being a problem and also very little chance of their having miscounted paper ballots by over 10,000.

The chance of Hillary coming out on top after these recounts is as close to zero as it gets without being zero.

 

[Not Normal]

I have a vested interest, too, as do all Americans. That doesn't give me standing. Considering the numbers she pulled on Nov. 8, I don't see how that gives her a standing more compelling than mine.

Actually, was think you, her, I, or anyone should be able to get involved and request a recount, or demand oversight, or express concerns. I don't think she has more standing than you.

 

[John Blackhawk]

I think the basic problem here is when we hear a candidate like Jill Stein call for a recount its easier to think there is something nefarious going on since we're talking about politicians here. Then we try to apply logic with the facts at hand. In which case i think i see what everyone else sees Jill stein isn't going to make any difference so why the hell is she calling for a recount? I mean the only one that may benefit here is HRC. I mean when has there been a news story about a politician with an actual good moral code?

 

[Ishmael]

I think the basic problem here is when we hear a candidate like Jill Stein call for a recount its easier to think there is something nefarious going on since we're talking about politicians here. Then we try to apply logic with the facts at hand. In which case i think i see what everyone else sees Jill stein isn't going to make any difference so why the hell is she calling for a recount? I mean the only one that may benefit here is HRC. I mean when has there been a news story about a politician with an actual good moral code?

In reality there is no benefit to Clinton, at least not as if she's going to overturn the election.

But what it does do is to plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of her supporters. After all, why call for a recount unless there is evidence of nefarious behavior.......even if there really isn't. The goal here is to de-legitimize Trumps election. Just as the left did to Bush in 2000. Even if the recount, as it undoubtedly will, shows that Trump still won, the suspicion that Clinton, and by extension they, were cheated out of the election is all that is required.

They have no real evidence, but their agenda is on the line and they're going to do ANYTHING can to push their agenda forward and block anything Trump may have planned.

Ishmael

 

[Saint Peter]

Just as the left did to Bush in 2000.

Ah, yes. The year 20-0-0. The year brother Jeb fucked over the country and gave the election to the half wit.

good
fucking
times

 

[Ishmael]

Ah, yes. The year 20-0-0. The year brother Jeb fucked over the country and gave the election to the half wit.

good
fucking
times

Just in case you missed it.

The NYT, WaPo, and a third rag, I think it was the ChiTrib, formed a consortium and paid for recounts in key counties in FL. They had the results in Apr. of 2001, and they all printed their findings in May of 2001. Page 8 under the fold. Why? Because their recounts showed that Bush won by an even greater margin, almost twice the 'official' figure. Now I readily admit that even twice isn't all that great a margin, but it was still funny to see those rags spend all that money just to have it blow up in their face.

Why is it that it is the left that is showing itself to be incapable of accepting defeat? They treat the electoral process as if it's a court decision subject to endless appeals. I know the answer to that, do you?

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

It's a scam, says the sore winner.

"This recount is just a way for Jill Stein to fill her coffers with money, most of which she will never even spend on this ridiculous recount."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/1...effort-in-wisconsin-trump-says-move-scam.html

 

[phrodeau]

Just in case you missed it.

The NYT, WaPo, and a third rag, I think it was the ChiTrib, formed a consortium and paid for recounts in key counties in FL. They had the results in Apr. of 2001, and they all printed their findings in May of 2001. Page 8 under the fold. Why? Because their recounts showed that Bush won by an even greater margin, almost twice the 'official' figure. Now I readily admit that even twice isn't all that great a margin, but it was still funny to see those rags spend all that money just to have it blow up in their face.

Why is it that it is the left that is showing itself to be incapable of accepting defeat? They treat the electoral process as if it's a court decision subject to endless appeals. I know the answer to that, do you?

Ishmael

That right there is proof enough that the 2000 election in Florida was miscounted and therefore not legitimate.

 

[Ishmael]

That right there is proof enough that the 2000 election in Florida was miscounted and therefore not legitimate.

Exactly, Bush should have been president, not Gore.

Ishmael

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Some self-styled expert and partisan hack speculates that it might be possible to hack machine and goes on to give a really unlikely series of events on how that might happen.

He has no particular knowledge of the machines, their programming, or their software. He has not examined them in any way, he just says he's computer expert and that if he wanted to he could hack them.

It's so ridiculous that even the White House when asked to comment has said they've seen absolutely no evidence and there's no reason to believe that machines were hacked. But what is politico's headline?

"White House insists hackers did not sway election even as recount begins."

That is abysmal journalism. Nothing in the article suggests what the headline implies.

That headline presupposes the actual existence of hackers. That some sort of hack was done but it was simply insufficient to sway the election.

The desperation in the air tastes delicious.

If it is possible for individuals and governments to hack into the most sophisticated government and corporate tech systems, why is it difficult to believe that elections could be hacked?

 

[Ishmael]

If it is possible for individuals and governments to hack into the most sophisticated government and corporate tech systems, why is it difficult to believe that elections could be hacked?

Can and were. Two different notions. Anything is possible but it occurs to me that you'd better show proof that something DID happen before you take action. A hack is like any other crime scene, there is always evidence left behind. Show me the evidence, not some nebulous "it could have happened' bull shit.

Ishmael

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Not sure why there is any issue with getting the count right. It would seem like any real American would want that.