Readers confused between fiction and fact

[TooSmallDave]

I'm sorry if this is a little out of line or has been said many times. I'm new to this, having submitted a dozen stories over the past few weeks. But I have been really shocked at the nastiness and vitriol of some of the responses to my stories. I get that if I can write stuff I wouldn't do in real life they can write things they wouldn't say in real life. But what's got me is the confusion between reality and fiction. They actually start laying into me and my fictional cheating wife demanding that I write something awful and violent and misogynistic about this poor horny frustrated woman who is no more than a figment of my overwrought imagination.
I do enjoy writing this stuff but I didn't know there were so many strange insecure men in the world.
Dave

 

[Payne_Hall]

This is without looking and might be totally wrong, but are some of these in Loving Wives? Call it a question based on a crazy, left field, wild idea.

 

[NotWise]

I'm sorry if this is a little out of line or has been said many times. I'm new to this, having submitted a dozen stories over the past few weeks. But I have been really shocked at the nastiness and vitriol of some of the responses to my stories. I get that if I can write stuff I wouldn't do in real life they can write things they wouldn't say in real life. But what's got me is the confusion between reality and fiction. They actually start laying into me and my fictional cheating wife demanding that I write something awful and violent and misogynistic about this poor horny frustrated woman who is no more than a figment of my overwrought imagination.
I do enjoy writing this stuff but I didn't know there were so many strange insecure men in the world.
Dave

It sounds like your talking about your cuckold stories in LW. That's the way things go there. It usually isn't so bad in other categories.

 

[TadOverdon]

I hear ya, guy. I just started posting my stories here last week and I've had a very similar thing happen.

After I got the gist of it, though, I've decided that it's just funny.

First, the one kink that brings out the angry in porn lovers (a subset of them) is cuckold. Let's eschew examination of larger cultural trends in social media interaction and just stipulate that a certain type of guy reacts to cuckoldry like someone just zipped his fly up with his dick sticking through it.

Hard.

Maybe more than once.

And the other thing the OP mentions, which I've noticed in the most negative comments, is that when ragging on cuckoldry there is a sudden deep critical concern about the plausibility of the behavior and motivations and real-world ramifications of porn sex.

Now, people do like different erotic milieus. It makes complete sense that a lot of people only like fantasies that they can believe might possibly happen in the real world, and are completely turned off or bored by stories that take place in what I've seen called "Pornotopia," that alternative universe in which everyone's horny, good-looking, can have sex repeatedly for three days, will never file a harassment complaint with HR as long as the boss is a stud or a babe (and they all are) and respond with instant uncontrollable lust when a family member is exposed as being unusually well-endowed.

And of course a lot of readers like there to be a "moral universe" even in porn, a storytelling world in which likeable and good people end well and unkind and selfish people suffer. That just makes sense, doesn't it? But fantasy kinks are whatever turns people on, and I'm pretty sure that it's been established that there are a lot of folks who (in fantasy) seek out humiliation and other dark behaviors.

But disinterest, dislike, even disapproval of those fantasies only seems to become really important enough to provoke negative story comments if some guy's wife is gleefully taking up the tailpipe while he's forced to helplessly watch.

 

[SamScribble]

I get that if I can write stuff I wouldn't do in real life they can write things they wouldn't say in real life. But what's got me is the confusion between reality and fiction. They actually start laying into me and my fictional cheating wife demanding that I write something awful and violent and misogynistic about this poor horny frustrated woman who is no more than a figment of my overwrought imagination.
Dave

On a positive note, in fiction there are factual facts and fictional facts. A good writer can make it difficult for the reader to tell one from another. Maybe you're just a good writer.

 

[KeithD]

It happens. Can't do much about the voting, but you can erase the comments as being misguided and move on.

 

[lovecraft68]

That audience is the lowest form of scum on the internet. Think they're bad in LW, you should see some of the channels on youtube where a spineless insecure bitter incel tries to sound like an alpha and pretend he doesn't need women "Better bachelor" "Strong successful male" the sad thing is how big their followings are.

Guess something about them has to be big.

 

[Payne_Hall]

That audience is the lowest form of scum on the internet. Think they're bad in LW, you should see some of the channels on youtube where a spineless insecure bitter incel tries to sound like an alpha and pretend he doesn't need women "Better bachelor" "Strong successful male" the sad thing is how big their followings are.

Guess something about them has to be big.

Goddammit, Lovecraft, I was blissfully unaware of this existence and, like an idiot, saw “it’s bad” and knew better... and looked it up anyway.

This is the same quality, incidentally, that keeps seeing how bad LW is and thinks, “What’s the worst that could happen if I tried it?”

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Welcome to Lit, TSD. It’s an experience we all share. Loving Wives is infamous among Lit writers for the rabid comments, but it’s only worst by comparison. As Keith notes, you can erase the truly bill comments. If it really bothers you, you can turn off voting and anonymous comments. Most of us get used to such odium in time.

Anyway, welcome again. Don’t let a few pinheads ruin your experience.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

They’re angry because you made them cum and they feel guilty about it.

 

[HeyAll]

On a similar note, there are readers who leave comments saying a particular story is too unrealstic. But if you look at their Favorites list, it's filled with stories with similar premises or ones even less believable.

 

[Bramblethorn]

They’re angry because you made them cum and they feel guilty about it.

This reminds me of a story I recently heard from a professional dominatrix talking about being shown the tricks of the trade, in her newbie days, by a more experienced lady. She got a lot of guys who wanted to be pegged, but next to the pegging gear she had a secret shelf with a baseball bat. Because some of those guys couldn't deal with the shame about what got them off, and would get violently angry after they'd come - "you made me gay!" kind of thing.

 

[TadOverdon]

On a similar note, there are readers who leave comments saying a particular story is too unrealstic. But if you look at their Favorites list, it's filled with stories with similar premises or ones even less believable.

Quite so.

I've got a number of critical comments on my stories so far. There was only one and, I hope, will continue to be only one that I've deleted. And that was because it was vituperative and personal and demeaning. It was left by another author on the site.

So, I looked at said author's own work, which was just fine and not what I like but certainly no less "deviant," than they'd accused my stories of being. And while the few real criticisms of my story that they'd made which didn't fall into the realm of accusatory name-calling concerned how unrealistic my story was, much of their own writing is set in arbitrary and convenient fantasy worlds as well. And there's not one thing wrong with that, either.

What amused me, though, was that on their bio page they ask anyone who posts criticism to be helpful and kind about it.

And I just thought, "Huh. Yeah, okay."

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

This reminds me of a story I recently heard from a professional dominatrix talking about being shown the tricks of the trade, in her newbie days, by a more experienced lady. She got a lot of guys who wanted to be pegged, but next to the pegging gear she had a secret shelf with a baseball bat. Because some of those guys couldn't deal with the shame about what got them off, and would get violently angry after they'd come - "you made me gay!" kind of thing.

Ah, men. Imagine thinking having sex with a woman is 'gay'. Naturally, these guys also set aside their commitment to family values and strict heterosexuality when it comes to lesbians/bisexual women in their porn/erotica.

 

[XerXesXu]

I'm sorry if this is a little out of line or has been said many times. I'm new to this, having submitted a dozen stories over the past few weeks. But I have been really shocked at the nastiness and vitriol of some of the responses to my stories. I get that if I can write stuff I wouldn't do in real life they can write things they wouldn't say in real life. But what's got me is the confusion between reality and fiction. They actually start laying into me and my fictional cheating wife demanding that I write something awful and violent and misogynistic about this poor horny frustrated woman who is no more than a figment of my overwrought imagination.
I do enjoy writing this stuff but I didn't know there were so many strange insecure men in the world.
Dave

Is there such a thing as readers remorse. He reads the story, thrilled, with his dick in his hand, and after he comes he's smitten by remorse. It was your fault, you seduced him, you literary Jezebel. Your not getting paid, no positive review, just denial and purging condemnation.

Are such negative reviews, in fact, positive. You have moved your reader emotionally. The main thing is they read and didn't fall asleep.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Ah, men. Imagine thinking having sex with a woman is 'gay'. Naturally, these guys also set aside their commitment to family values and strict heterosexuality when it comes to lesbians/bisexual women in their porn/erotica.

Some people are unclear on the concept. I remember a relationship drama post where the poster's boyfriend wouldn't wash his ass because that was too gay for him.

 

[lovecraft68]

Goddammit, Lovecraft, I was blissfully unaware of this existence and, like an idiot, saw “it’s bad” and knew better... and looked it up anyway.

This is the same quality, incidentally, that keeps seeing how bad LW is and thinks, “What’s the worst that could happen if I tried it?”

I think I may have said this before, but the lowlifes in LW here prove the difference between a free venue that allows anon and a selling platform.

The same stories that are roasted by these half witted cretins sell well in the market and aren't trashed or trolled....because someone has to pay a whopping $3-$4 for the story and sign up with a CC meaning gasp real info exists somewhere.

As an aside...wouldn't you love to meet one of those yutzes you looked up on youtube in person? "Strong successful male" ohhh....scary. The other guy should call himself "obviously a bachelor"

 

[lovecraft68]

the poster's boyfriend who wouldn't wash his ass because that was too gay for him.

Touching his ass to wash it was "gay"

Now at that point you wonder...who the hell raised this guy? That stuff generally doesn't come from nowhere.

Yeesh.

 

[SimonDoom]

Welcome to Literotica. What you've experienced is no different from what many, many other Literotica authors have experienced.

Here's the thing to keep in mind: Literotica is a big place, with a humongous readership, and rest assured there are many readers who like the kinds of stories you want to write. I scanned your story list and your stories seem to emphasize themes of cuckoldry and male humiliation. Many, many readers love these stories. So you are in the right place if you want to reach them.

However . . . there's a vocal and fanatical minority that hates cuckoldry and hates male humiliation. And they're going to downvote your stories and leave you nasty comments, and you can't do anything about it other than to delete those comments after they appear.

Don't let the bad eggs stop you from enjoying your connection with the good ones.

 

[AlphaLyon]

Best category for cuckolding?

TooSmallDave - I read your story (the one with the lowest score) and I don't understand how people are angry/shocked with the content, given its title. Perhaps because it was in LW instead of fetish?
Your writing could be more polished (numerous grammatical, structural, and linguistic errors), but considering the undeserved vitriol you received, I'm sorry for what you've had to go through with that. I have had a similar experience here, but I'm going to tell you what others have told me: write what you want to write, and the only way to improve is to keep working at it. Perhaps enlisting the services of an editor could help?
Keep your head up and ignore the haters without anything constructive to critique with.

It sounds like your talking about your cuckold stories in LW.

Not to hijack the thread, but what category would you (or anyone else) consider appropriate for cuck stories? I'm currently writing one up now, and can't figure out the best place for it to reach a receptive audience.
- Exhibitionist & Voyeur since the husband watches?
- Fetish since cuck'ing can be considered a fetish?
- Gay Male since there is a chapter where the cuck gets fucked by the bull?
- Loving Wives is obviously NOT the place for it, even though the cuckolding comes about from a place of "sexual therapy" and focuses on the woman's pleasure.

If I give each submission a genre category based on the actions that happen in that particular chapter, will people be less interested in following?

It's so bizarre trying to figure out where to put this particular type of story.

 

[TadOverdon]

I think I may have said this before, but the lowlifes in LW here prove the difference between a free venue that allows anon and a selling platform.

The same stories that are roasted by these half witted cretins sell well in the market and aren't trashed or trolled....because someone has to pay a whopping $3-$4 for the story and sign up with a CC meaning gasp real info exists somewhere.

Well, it's less mean on selling platforms, but I've received a single one-star review with the explanation attached that because I didn't include cuckolding among the tags it was "misrepresented" and therefore deserved a bad review on that basis alone.

I did take their point. The husband-has-to-watch element was there, in one chapter of an eleven chapter book, and being new to this didn't consider it very important. I've been pretty careful since although I do slip up. Online buyers expect much more specific consumer labeling as to content than I was used to back when I bought my books in <gasp> bookstores. You picked up a novel, read the blurb, paged through it and decided. If you misjudged, well, live and learn.

 

[lovecraft68]

Welcome to Literotica. What you've experienced is no different from what many, many other Literotica authors have experienced.

Here's the thing to keep in mind: Literotica is a big place, with a humongous readership, and rest assured there are many readers who like the kinds of stories you want to write. I scanned your story list and your stories seem to emphasize themes of cuckoldry and male humiliation. Many, many readers love these stories. So you are in the right place if you want to reach them.

However . . . there's a vocal and fanatical minority that hates cuckoldry and hates male humiliation. And they're going to downvote your stories and leave you nasty comments, and you can't do anything about it other than to delete those comments after they appear.

Don't let the bad eggs stop you from enjoying your connection with the good ones.

Considering the amount of hate those stories get in LW do you think its a minority over there? In any other category I agree the decent readers far outnumber the trolls, but LW is an ugly exception, hate is the norm there....except for burn the bitch stories which they love because women get hurt.

So I think that in LW, its the decent readers who are outnumbered. I think people are truly writing for themselves when they write there. That or they like poking the trolls.

Or they write BTB stories because they're no better than the hate fueled incels that dwell there other than they've learned to type with their hooves.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I've had readers who thought, on this site and others, that the events described actually happened to me. I usually respond, "I can only wish that these things did happen to me, but my life hasn't been that exciting."

If it's a true story - I think I have a couple - then I make it clear that it's real. A couple of sites have "True" as a category, but this one doesn't.

 

[SimonDoom]

Considering the amount of hate those stories get in LW do you think its a minority over there? .

This is an excellent question, and of course, I don't know for sure. But I think so. Why? Because it doesn't take many trolls to knock a good story into the waste bucket, score-wise. I've read enough Loving Wives/hot wife stories, along with their comments, to believe that there's a large readership for these stories. I see plenty of comments praising the stories. But if only 20% of the readers are of the fanatical incel crowd, the story has no chance of getting a really good score, no matter how much the majority likes it. It's just math. 4 5s and 1 1 equal a 4.2 average -- that story ain't never going to sniff a red H, despite the fact that 80% of the readers love it. 1 incel out of 5 readers dooms the story's score.

But here's what I think is the really important point: it only dooms the score. It doesn't doom your ability to connect with a large group of readers who will appreciate your story. And that's what really matters, isn't it?

 

[AvroAnsonXIX]

A spineless insecure bitter incel tries to sound like an alpha and pretend he doesn't need women "Better bachelor" "Strong successful male" the sad thing is how big their followings are.

Teachable moment / English:
'The sad thing is how big their followings are." That should read: "The sad thing is how numerous their followings are. "
Taint nuthin' big 'bout 'em.