Rape as Sexual Fantasy

[CharleyH]

Adrenaline.

Any emotion or situation that stimulates the production of adrenaline can be a trigger for arousal -- and vice versa. Adrenaline is involved in the body's reaction to danger and in the physical component of arousal.

A well docmented reaction to surviving a dangerous situation (or coming off an adrenaline high) is a need to "procreate."

In medieval terms rape, pillage, and plunder were excused as "their blood was up."

Nods.

 

[McKenna]

I'm thinking field study, next.

the field...if you build it, i will come.





against my will, of course

Is that come, or cum?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Thanks J, I appreciate your comments. The background behind the story is actually more of a "revenge rape." At least, that's the spin I'm putting on it (or attempting to.) Not only am I exploring the rape victim's emotions and physcial responses, but the rapists as well --which makes it tough, because I have a hard time putting myself in that role, thus my questions.

How can a man get an erection out of anger/revenge? What psychological stimuli cause such a physical response? Is it like a "mindless fuck?" Meaning, the mind is separate from the act? Is that even possible?

Maybe I'm asking someone to explain the impossible here, I don't know. Just thought I'd ask.

Rage and lust are not mutually exclusive for a lot of men. I've often had desires to "grudge fuck" a woman whom I find physically attractive, but whose personality I completely detest. I'm pretty sure that many men have such fantasies. Now, it's certainly true that a "grudge fuck" is not necessarily a rape, since the woman involved might find the guy attractive and want his body (whether or not she knows that he hates her). However, given what I have heard, there is a considerable gender divide on this issue. Men are far more likely to enjoy sex with a hint of revenge, humiliation, and anger than women.

It's also true that I would engage in a grudge fuck, but would never involve myself in a rape.

I'm just adding my own relevant experience, in terms of my own feelings on the issue.

 

[McKenna]

It's also true that I would engage in a grudge fuck, but would never involve myself in a rape.

What about fantasy rape? You know, with safe words and a game plan and all that jazz?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

What about fantasy rape? You know, with safe words and a game plan and all that jazz?

I'm all for it!

 

[McKenna]

I'm all for it!

Do you think more women would be for it then men? According to that article I read, more women have rape fantasies than men, so I guess it stands to reason.

Asking a man to participate in a rape fantasy would be a tall order to fill; I'm curious how many men would actually do it if their lover asked it of them.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Do you think more women would be for it then men? According to that article I read, more women have rape fantasies than men, so I guess it stands to reason.

Asking a man to participate in a rape fantasy would be a tall order to fill; I'm curious how many men would actually do it if their lover asked it of them.

I've done that. It was great.

 

[McKenna]

I've done that. It was great.

Were you afraid of hurting her (or him, for that matter) either physically or with emotional/psychological damage?

 

[R. Richard]

Originally Posted by R. Richard
Rage does not incite an erection in a normal male. The reasons for the erection are biological and are present in all normal males. The rage allows the normal societal conventions to be overridden.

Hm - depends what you mean? Explain this post a bit more. RR.

Hm - depends what you mean? Explain this post a bit more. RR.

When a normal man gets mad, he does not get an erection as a result.

When a normal man is sexually stimulated, he does not immediately start looking for a woman to rape. There are a lot of societal and legal barriers to such behavior. However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and in a rage, he may override the normal barriers and take what he wants.

However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and allowed to procede past a certain point, he may not be able to stop, rage or no rage. For instance, a guy's girlfriend decides to let the guy get to such and such a point of arousal and no further. She forgets that her boyfriend is large and stronger. He canot/does not stop and the girlfriend gets raped, that is date raped. Unfortunately, date rape varies from the "stop it some more!" stage to forcible rape. It is a complicated situation.

 

[Oblimo]

At that time there were different moral values and legal issues.

Romantic love hadn't even been invented yet.

 

[CharleyH]

When a normal man gets mad, he does not get an erection as a result.

When a normal man is sexually stimulated, he does not immediately start looking for a woman to rape. There are a lot of societal and legal barriers to such behavior. However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and in a rage, he may override the normal barriers and take what he wants.

However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and allowed to procede past a certain point, he may not be able to stop, rage or no rage. For instance, a guy's girlfriend decides to let the guy get to such and such a point of arousal and no further. She forgets that her boyfriend is large and stronger. He canot/does not stop and the girlfriend gets raped, that is date raped. Unfortunately, date rape varies from the "stop it some more!" stage to forcible rape. It is a complicated situation.

Hunh? Are you serious? lol

 

[rgraham666]

What about fantasy rape? You know, with safe words and a game plan and all that jazz?

I'd have to know them for a long time, trust them explicitly.

And I'd have to trust myself, which is a somewhat taller order.

 

[TriggerHippie]

Originally Posted by R. Richard
Rage does not incite an erection in a normal male. The reasons for the erection are biological and are present in all normal males. The rage allows the normal societal conventions to be overridden.

Hm - depends what you mean? Explain this post a bit more. RR.



When a normal man gets mad, he does not get an erection as a result.

When a normal man is sexually stimulated, he does not immediately start looking for a woman to rape. There are a lot of societal and legal barriers to such behavior. However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and in a rage, he may override the normal barriers and take what he wants.

However, when a normal man is sexually stimulated and allowed to procede past a certain point, he may not be able to stop, rage or no rage. For instance, a guy's girlfriend decides to let the guy get to such and such a point of arousal and no further. She forgets that her boyfriend is large and stronger. He canot/does not stop and the girlfriend gets raped, that is date raped. Unfortunately, date rape varies from the "stop it some more!" stage to forcible rape. It is a complicated situation.

Not to be difficult, but actually, "Date Rape" only means the victim knows their attacker. It has nothing to do with anything else; all rape is "forcible," by definition, be it coercion or violence, eh?

Peace.

 

[Oblimo]

Hunh? Are you serious? lol

It was politely referred to in high school sex ed as "the point of no return." I remember that particular little speech well, where the teacher bluntly said that there's a degree of heavy petting after which a typical guy will be prone to rape. Personally, I'm inclined to think that such a thing is heavily influenced by cultural expectations, and that nowadays there as point of "I need to jerk off so bad after this, I doubt I'll make it to the bathroom and will just start wanking in the foyer. Christ, I hope the dog doesn't stare at me the way he did last time."

 

[R. Richard]

It was politely referred to in high school sex ed as "the point of no return."

Actually, I never really took the class. I think the turning point was when I asked the teacher, "Exactly what is it you think you need to know?"

 

[CharleyH]

Actually, I never really took the class. I think the turning point was when I asked the teacher, "Exactly what is it you think you need to know?"

lol -

 

[McKenna]

And I'd have to trust myself, which is a somewhat taller order.

 

[R. Richard]

Not to be difficult, but actually, "Date Rape" only means the victim knows their attacker. It has nothing to do with anything else; all rape is "forcible," by definition, be it coercion or violence, eh?

Peace.

I can see what you mean. However, what I meant by "date rape" is the situation where a couple [I am not going to address the situation where there are more than two people in the party] are engaged in [usually heavy] petting and one of the persons involved initiates sexual activity not previously consented to by the other party.

There was a situation, some months ago in California, where a boy got a girl to agree to have intercourse. The boy entered the girl and was screwing her when she changed her mind. She told the boy to stop, but he did not. The boy was subsequently charged with some form of rape. [It could be argued that the "rape" was not forcible. However, IMNTHO the girl should have been executed, as no one that stupid should be allowed to breed.]

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Were you afraid of hurting her (or him, for that matter) either physically or with emotional/psychological damage?

Not really. We had discussed it a lot and I could tell that she enjoyed the roleplay. We still do it now and then. Maybe it would be different if a casual partner wanted a roleplay. But I know she trusts me.

 

[Pure]

note to trigger:

rape as necessarily involving force

M-W unabridged: //3 a : illicit sexual intercourse without the consent of the woman and effected by force, duress, intimidation, or deception as to the nature of the act. //

ergo, force not necessary.

ADDED 9-20 : ergo, coercion is not necessary.

 

[Pure]

i tend to be a skeptic as to some forms of alleged 'date rape.'

i think some is 'regret rape,' where the woman's regret is used to justify saying there was no consent (where it may have been implied--e.g. by her taking off her clothes and getting into bed with him and grabbing his cock.)

i think the pendulum is swinging back to a sane place; 'date rape' exists, i.e., rape on a date; surely some males on dates, esp. in very private settings, use unjustified force to overcome the resistance that often occurs after light petting.

PS if there really were a 'point of no return' then coitus interruptus would be impossible, wouldn't it?

 

[elsol]

Not to be relativist and invite Roxanne into the conversation... But psychological sexual dysfunction towards rape would be less of a factor if your dealing with a feudal system.

Yes, it is possible for someone to be 'enlightened', but how far afield are you willing to go from you're background? We're talking a barrage of social controls that say "women are property" etc, etc. which would significantly lower the psychological side of purely physical erectile side.

There's also some aspects of compartmentalization... sure, the guy feels bad but once he agrees to it and 'starts it', nature does take it's course.

The male has made a concious decision to 'do it', prior to this point the mind has the most power and he can turn away the easiest.

If he makes the decision to do what he has to do, then we enter the realm of the physical and biology, like God, does not roll dice and hope for the best.

Different physicological factors also come into play that are not purely about 'rape'... there's the dominance issue, there's the social desire for status quo (a status quo that favors males), and so on.

Once contact is made, the situation becomes physical... and sorry, the cock has very few purposes and fucking being one them, he may start out with only a little stiffness but a little surrounding pressure will make it stiffer.

 

[Huckleman2000]

I had to act out a physically degrading situation in a play once - it didn't progress to rape, but I did have to force the actress down on the floor and straddle her, kneeling on her arms while I forced her to eat 'my blood', which was actually ketchup. I mean, in the play it was ketchup too - this character had a pretty bizarre sense of humor.

Anyway, I relate the story because it was a pretty weird place to find within myself to make that scene believable. It was a place where I needed to feel control over the woman, and her cries and resistance made me feel more powerful. The blood thing was like a sacrament, and I was the priest and god rolled into one.

I've heard it said that rape is a crime of violence, not sex, and I understand that viewpoint. However, the violence is of a distinct flavor. It's possession and control and revenge; it's about asserting total power over another person by violating their most intimate self.

Getting to your questions, I think if a man had misgivings at all, it wouldn't necessarily show up in not getting an erection; rather, it may be in not achieving an orgasm.

In addition to Ogg's point about the army becoming less likely to surrender: in feudal times, troops that have raped the women of their enemy would probably not be treated very well if they ever found themselves taken prisoner by that enemy's survivors.

 

[S-Des]

rape as necessarily involving force

M-W unabridged: //3 a : illicit sexual intercourse without the consent of the woman and effected by force, duress, intimidation, or deception as to the nature of the act. //

ergo, force not necessary.

Erm, Pure...instead of looking up the definition, you should have read her post a little more closely. She said....

Not to be difficult, but actually, "Date Rape" only means the victim knows their attacker. It has nothing to do with anything else; all rape is "forcible," by definition, be it coercion or violence, eh?

Notice the last line? It says coercion or violence.

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source
Main Entry: co·er·cion
Pronunciation: kO-'&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
: the use of express or implied threats of violence or reprisal (as discharge from employment) or other intimidating behavior that puts a person in immediate fear of the consequences in order to compel that person to act against his or her will; also : the defense that one acted under coercion

So any theat (even an implied one) is coercion.

 

[TriggerHippie]

rape as necessarily involving force

M-W unabridged: //3 a : illicit sexual intercourse without the consent of the woman and effected by force, duress, intimidation, or deception as to the nature of the act. //

ergo, force not necessary.

I think we’re splitting hairs, but I beg to differ as Force is defined by M-W as:

3 : violence, compulsion, or constraint exerted upon or against a person or thing

Force is present in rape, regardless of the situation, eh?