Race play

[YourCaptor]

Is it ok?

What’s your opinion, and what‘s your limit?

And before anyone says whatever floats your boat, what if your public official got exposed as doing it? Or your kids teachers, is it really ok for anyone?

What’s too far, costumes, personal history, certain words and tools?



Just in case, in this discussion

Race = a conceptual classification of humans

 

[00Syd]

I really think it's okay for anyone. Everyone has their own kinks and their own hangups. I wouldn't care anymore if my governor was exposed as being into raceplay as I would if he was found out to be gay, or to enjoy bondage. Srsly, sexual preferences are so irrelevant and I hate how much stock we put into them when it comes to public figures. Not important or relevant and not our business.

 

[Cattypuss]

Meh.

It's a bit like scat for me - I'd never do it (I just don't get it - I have had several mixed-race relationships myself and in all of them race was not an issue between us, in the bedroom or out of it), but if others want to, fine.

And yes, that would include any public figure.

So Mr White Public Figure likes to tie up his consenting black gay boyfriend, whip him and call him every racist name under the sun?

Why is that essentially any different from Mr White Public Figure tying up his consenting white girlfriend, whipping her and calling her every sexist name under the sun?

Consenting adults doing something that others would be horrified by because politically it's shocking. What the hell if it gets both their rocks off?

 

[cathrynb]

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[CutieMouse]

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is race play? Wikipedia doesn't have a page on this.

I'm guessing that if I (mostly white) date someone who is not white then that is just an inter-racial relationship. So what makes it race play? Do you play up racial stereotypes? Use racist language?

Is it like age play where people can pretend to be an age they are not? So, could I pretend to be a latina in race play?

I really don't care how our public officials like to play or who they like to play with as long as it doesn't affect their work.

An example of race play might be an interrogation scene with a German Officer/Jewish captive twist, or a Caucasian woman being gang banged by a room full of African American men, or a Caucasian Dom/Domme / Latina maid [forced to sexually serve her boss]. Use of racist language/stereotypes/etc may or may not be a large part of things, but often are [to increase the "taboo" aspects of things].

 

[cathrynb]

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[CutieMouse]

The race is simply an opportunity to play with the taboos and break a few rules.

Civilized, non-racist, non-bigoted people don't usually run around begging for "big black [n___] cock". People of German ancestry don't normally get hard (or aren't supposed to) while consensually interrogating and sexually torturing the Jewish, Catholic, Polish. (Although IMO a hotter scene would be the minority flipping the Nazi, but I digress...) "Taking advantage" of the Spanish speaking "maid", knowing she won't go the the authorities because she's "illegal" and essentially a sex slave, is totally inappropriate [in the real world].

 

[Cattypuss]

Yeah I think it's the racism that's taboo, not the fact of mixed-race sex .

That said I guess there must be places still, even today, where inter-racial relationships are taboo. I'm just glad I don't live in them.

 

[Primalex]

People of German ancestry don't normally get hard (or aren't supposed to) while consensually interrogating and sexually torturing the Jewish, Catholic, Polish.

*scratches his chin*
*wonders whether the sentence is better with or without a non-*

 

[CutieMouse]

*scratches his chin*
*wonders whether the sentence is better with or without a non-*

Funny, I paused for a second while typing it, trying to decide if I should offer both "consensually" and "non-consensually" in the sentence...

 

[Stella_Omega]

I would hope that people's PRIVATE lives are allowed to remain private.

But in the event that someone got outed-- I totally admit it, my first inclination would be anger. It's just another person in power abusing that power, is my knee jerk political-because-of-my-life-experiences thought.

And here's the thing, the folks that get outed usually are not doing this with an SO, they are doing it with paid sexworkers. And sometimes you have to wonder just how consensual it really is.

It's fucked up, but there you go.

 

[Cattypuss]

And here's the thing, the folks that get outed usually are not doing this with an SO, they are doing it with paid sexworkers. .

Two words: Max Mosley

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...osed-sadomasochist-Nazi-orgy-prostitutes.html

 

[Cattypuss]

Funny, I paused for a second while typing it, trying to decide if I should offer both "consensually" and "non-consensually" in the sentence...

You could've avoided the problem by just leaving the word "consensually" out altogether

 

[ecstaticsub]

Yes it is ok.

The limits of it is as long as everyone involved is comfortable with it, or at least not angered by the fact it is uncomfortable.

I see it also as a way to voice emotions on the issue of race in an acceptable way. (acceptable to the ones involved)

 

[graceanne]

Meh.

It's a bit like scat for me - I'd never do it (I just don't get it - I have had several mixed-race relationships myself and in all of them race was not an issue between us, in the bedroom or out of it), but if others want to, fine.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[YourCaptor]

Probably not the best place for this topic, it’s like 90% white chicks here.

Well race play, it’s hot from a D/s point of view. Subjugating someone with something like racism can definitely turn things up with some seriously intensive reactions.

But if one can feel that response, does that not require a racist element within them. Like that lame saying, meanings are in people, not in words. I don’t exactly know what it is but I think it’s wired pretty deep in the human cognitive process. Creating an in group, an out group, that sort of thing.

It’s a lot like a racist joke, it adds a lot of, oh man that’s fucked up funny, but would you want someone like McCain telling them, hell no.

If I found out the diplomat to Saudi Arabia had an exotic, over sexed, oriental girl thing, I’d be fucken pissed. Fire that guy, it’s not acceptable in that position.

I don’t think this ones like scat play or something polar like that. This ones playing around on another level.

 

[graceanne]

Yeah I think it's the racism that's taboo, not the fact of mixed-race sex .

That said I guess there must be places still, even today, where inter-racial relationships are taboo. I'm just glad I don't live in them.

There are, and most are, sadly, in the states. And on these boards. I know of an interracial couple who keep that part of their relationship hushhush because of another interracial couple on this board who got some really nasty PM's. I know of a few people who've avoided interracial relationships just because they know that their parents will FLIP OUT. It's still very taboo in a lot of places.

That said, don't shoot the messenger. I could care less, and my parents could care less. My grandma would care, but I don't make decisions based on what my family thinks. Honestly, if we end up adopting a black child my grandma will have a cow about that, too, and I really don't care.

 

[CutieMouse]

Probably not the best place for this topic, it’s like 90% white chicks here.

Well race play, it’s hot from a D/s point of view. Subjugating someone with something like racism can definitely turn things up with some seriously intensive reactions.

But if one can feel that response, does that not require a racist element within them. Like that lame saying, meanings are in people, not in words. I don’t exactly know what it is but I think it’s wired pretty deep in the human cognitive process. Creating an in group, an out group, that sort of thing.

Nope - not necessary to have a racist bent to engage in race play. It can actually be a very hot mindfuck (submissive perspective) - taking a very upstanding, nonracist, normally offended by racist slang sort of person, and putting them in a situation where they *have* to play with those steriotypes/language barriers... It can be interesting.

I'm just sayin'...

 

[graceanne]

Nope - not necessary to have a racist bent to engage in race play. It can actually be a very hot mindfuck (submissive perspective) - taking a very upstanding, nonracist, normally offended by racist slang sort of person, and putting them in a situation where they *have* to play with those steriotypes/language barriers... It can be interesting.

I'm just sayin'...

You have a creepy mind.

Just sayin'.

 

[KoPilot]

Sometimes I think aliens are hot. Does that count? :B

 

[MasterPhoenix]

I have done some race play with a black submissive I was playing with... Something that was cool for both of us.. and did get into the historical aspects of slavery...

It was a fun mindfuck...

 

[Netzach]

I would hope that people's PRIVATE lives are allowed to remain private.

But in the event that someone got outed-- I totally admit it, my first inclination would be anger. It's just another person in power abusing that power, is my knee jerk political-because-of-my-life-experiences thought.

And here's the thing, the folks that get outed usually are not doing this with an SO, they are doing it with paid sexworkers. And sometimes you have to wonder just how consensual it really is.

It's fucked up, but there you go.

Dude assuming much?

First of all one can be in the oppressed position and still be commissioning raceplay, I don't think I'm being exploited by black clients (all 2 or 3 who asked to go there) nor do I particularly think I'm exploiting them by offering them the same opportunity to get spit on and kicked around for stuff they cant control anyway as white dudes. Race play is as complicated as race is, which is holy shit, extremely.

There are paid sexworkers who choose to go the "I am your chocolate fetish confection" route all the way to the bank, their self esteem totally intact and others who wouldn't and can't fathom doing it and ONLY deal with clients who are attracted to them with color as just a part of them. As a white girl I think ppl should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their blackness or other color and far be it from me to weigh in, I know the limitations of the importance of my opinion.

I don't think sex workers willing to deal with race play are inherently more or less liable to be in non-consensual ick as others - in fact if they're catering to fucked up roleplay chances are they're more pick and choose.

 

[Netzach]

Nope - not necessary to have a racist bent to engage in race play. It can actually be a very hot mindfuck (submissive perspective) - taking a very upstanding, nonracist, normally offended by racist slang sort of person, and putting them in a situation where they *have* to play with those steriotypes/language barriers... It can be interesting.

I'm just sayin'...

I think it's more like being non-racist is more like a golden fleece - it's the goal one needs to have but in this culture there is no one who can shrug off all the shitty messages - and this transcends skin color - we're ALL being fed the same programmatic knee jerk messages on a daily basis, overtly, subliminally - and admitting that these things exist is so taboo that the wires get crossed with sex in an interesting way.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Netzach, yeah, I am assuming. As I said, it's fucked up but it's one reaction I don't have so much control over. I've spent a lifetime in activism. I'm still in it.

For me, it's partly the same reason that I am uncomfortable with D/s that's based on the participants sex-- "Women are Goddesses, men are worms" or "Women are innately submissive and need to be dominated by men." I just don't choose to go there.

This does not mean that I would not play with someone of another race-- but I play with the person because of themselves, not because of our ancestor's mutual antagonism.

I must have told this story, but when I was 17 or so, I had a black girlfriend, whom I absolutely adored. For Halloween, I made her a pair of kitty ears and a tail-- this was in the mid-seventies, way before furries-- and I put my OWN collar -- my very own-- on her, with a leash.

My mother saw us leaving and got pissed off about it, saying that I could NOT put a collar an leash on a black person, it just gave her the creeps. She totally put her foot down. I said; "Mom, this is personal!" She was a KITTY dammit. No dice.

(also, I don't do humiliation regardless)

 

[JMohegan]

Is it ok?

What’s your opinion, and what‘s your limit?

And before anyone says whatever floats your boat, what if your public official got exposed as doing it? Or your kids teachers, is it really ok for anyone?

What’s too far, costumes, personal history, certain words and tools?



Just in case, in this discussion

Race = a conceptual classification of humans

I tend to think of race "play" in the same way that I think of racial "humor."

Is it okay? Whether the goal is sexual gratification or laughter, well hey - it's a free country, and the 1st amendment applies to public officials, teachers, everyone. Sure.

But would knowledge of it alter my view of an individual? Yes, absolutely. Would I campaign for a white guy who routinely got off on this stuff or told racial "jokes" in private? Absolutely not.