Publishing Rules

[Gamblnluck]

Per the rules stated in the guidelines. It is a PRIVATE site and they choose their own risk tolerance for possible legal disruption.

If there are grey areas, there is a rejection and resubmission option.

Your "ethics" don't matter. You are a guest in someone else's publishing home.

So you are willing to hide behind the site, That in itself is a statement of ethics..

 

[Gamblnluck]

go on about how YOUR "ethics" are superior to others and even the law of the land.

No. I once took a course in ethics and logic. how it all came around. How arguments that support one side subvert the other. I wondered how authors here would react to this presentation.
I admit.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

The truth is always the best defense for libel or slander. And once they're dead, the skies the limit on what you write about them. As you can't libel or slander the dead. I saw in a movie, so it I know it's true.

 

[Euphony]

So you are willing to hide behind the site, That in itself is a statement of ethics..

Says the ethics expert who writes abuse/mistreatment fanfic but "hides" it by not using the celebs stage name.

Either white knight celebrity personas or don't. This toe in/toe out nonsense really undercuts much of your argument.

 

[Euphony]

I saw in a movie, so I know it's true.

The *only* way to know anything for sure is to have taken that one class, once. Instant expertise.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

The *only* way to know anything for sure is to have taken that one class, once. Instant expertise.

I've been told I have no class.

 

[Gamblnluck]

The truth is always the best defense for libel or slander. And once they're dead, the skies the limit on what you write about them. As you can't libel or slander the dead. I saw in a movie, so I know it's true.

Not talking about the dead. I originally started with real people with real families, real histories and using all that, where an author could write a fake story from their (his her them) imagination depicting them in whatever situation they might want. I used Martha Stewart as a crackwhore madam as an example. Fair to her? Should it be done? Or too bad, so sad for her?
We have a few ethics on this site. I wonder why this one went by the wayside. Or any of the other real people portrayed in stories.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Take it up with Dante Alighieri.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Not talking about the dead. I originally started with real people with real families, real histories and using all that, where an author could write a fake story from their (his her them) imagination depicting them in whatever situation they might want. I used Martha Stewart as a crackwhore madam as an example. Fair to her? Should it be done? Or too bad, so sad for her?
We have a few ethics on this site. I wonder why this one went by the wayside. Or any of the other real people portrayed in stories.

Sorry, but why in the world would portraying real people in stories be wrong in the first place?

 

[Euphony]

Take it up with Dante Alighieri.

Certainly don't take it up with Nietzsche.

"One size fits all" morality REALLY wasn't his bag.

 

[Gamblnluck]

udge: Did you produce this material with the intention that people would believe it?
Writer: No, it's a piece of pure fiction. While it may be inspired by the plaintiff, no damage to their reputation was intended nor even incurred. It did not happen, I don't want anyone to believe that it happened, as it is a piece of fiction and not a malicious lie.

Case closed right there.

Really no damage intended. But how can you say your depiction of that person as doing multiple 'perverted' activities in your story not damaging? just because you did not intend to do so? Not case closed.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Really no damage intended. But how can you say your depiction of that person as doing multiple 'perverted' activities in your story not damaging? just because you did not intend to do so? Not case closed.

Again you forgo reading part of my response. "No damage to their reputation was intended nor even incurred."

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Not talking about the dead. I originally started with real people with real families, real histories and using all that, where an author could write a fake story from their (his her them) imagination depicting them in whatever situation they might want. I used Martha Stewart as a crackwhore madam as an example. Fair to her? Should it be done? Or too bad, so sad for her?
We have a few ethics on this site. I wonder why this one went by the wayside. Or any of the other real people portrayed in stories.

It was a joke, I'm sorry it wasn't clear to you.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Sorry, but why in the world would portraying real people in stories be wrong in the first place?

Wow. You brought the thread back to the beginning. In some ways it would not. Using their personality or character might not. But to use their name it is in a way as much a violation as rape. look at what court cases state about that. Rape is nothing more than sex right? Not anything more than the person might go through many times a week. So what if it is unasked for? Unsolicited? Maybe forced, ( not going further.)

 

[Gamblnluck]

No damage to their reputation was intended nor even incurred."

Portraying a celebrity as a slut or in whatever position is not possible damage to a reputation?

 

[Euphony]

But to use their name it is in a way as much a violation as rape. look at what court cases state about that.

Clearly you've never interacted with a trauma survivor if you can make such an outlandish equivalence.

Seriously, quit while you are WAY behind.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Wow. You brought the thread back to the beginning. In some ways it would not. Using their personality or character might not. But to use their name it is in a way as much a violation as rape. look at what court cases state about that. Rape is nothing more than sex right? Not anything more than the person might go through many times a week. So what if it is unasked for? Unsolicited? Maybe forced, ( not going further.)

...what?

I'm gonna explain this to you slowly. You just leapt from using names and likenesses in stories to a rape comparison, without reasoning out why said comparison holds, and instead offered some strange (strawman?) argument about why rape is bad. Obviously rape is bad, but that completely derails the entire debate.

You're making it sound like I'm arguing for rape.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Sorry, but why in the world would portraying real people in stories be wrong in the first place?

How would you react if your REAL name, your history your family was used in a fake story? Not one that you would like but one that might make you cringe. Not wrong?

 

[Euphony]

Portraying a celebrity as a slut or in whatever position is not possible damage to a reputation?

If you are Harvey Weinstein and control hiring and firing of the person, absolutely.

If you are a putz writing fantasy fic on a little corner of the inet, no. You have essentially zero influence and "ability to cause damages." (these are court recognized damages and not possible hurt feelings like you seem society is duty bound to protect in all instances.)

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

How would you react if your REAL name, your history your family was used in a fake story? Not one that you would like but one that might make you cringe. Not wrong?

I don't know about @madlinemasoch, but I'm not a celebrity. Therefore, parody doesn't come into play. But celebrities can't sue over being made fun of.

 

[madelinemasoch]

How would you react if your REAL name, your history your family was used in a fake story? Not one that you would like but one that might make you cringe. Not wrong?

I wouldn't give a fuck.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Wow. You brought the thread back to the beginning. In some ways it would not. Using their personality or character might not. But to use their name it is in a way as much a violation as rape.

Yeah no, it really isn't.

look at what court cases state about that.

Are you thinking of any specific court cases here?

Portraying a celebrity as a slut or in whatever position is not possible damage to a reputation?

Only if people believe the story to be true.

How would you react if your REAL name, your history your family was used in a fake story? Not one that you would like but one that might make you cringe. Not wrong?

Not everything that makes somebody cringe is morally, ethically, or legally wrong.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Clearly you've never interacted with a trauma survivor if you can make such an outlandish equivalence.

Seriously, quit while you are WAY behind.

Ahh so now one thing does not equal the next. I am aware.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Ahh so now one thing does not equal the next. I am aware.

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[SimonDoom]

Portraying a celebrity as a slut or in whatever position is not possible damage to a reputation?

Not if it's obviously fiction.

The law of defamation protects a person against false statements about them that would cause injury to their reputation. But fiction doesn't satisfy this standard, because everybody knows that fiction is just fiction. A person's reputation can't be injured unless some people believe the fictional story to be true. Nobody would ever believe the story you described is true, so it's obviously not defamatory. The key case here is the US Supreme Court case Hustler Magazine v. Jerry Falwell. Flynt published a fake ad for alcohol that described Falwell, a famous evangelical Christian leader, recounting the first time he had sex with his mother. It was obvious parody and satire, and the US Supreme Court said it was protected speech under the First Amendment. The Court surely would rule the same way in the case that you have described.

That doesn't make it ethical. Many people would regard the concept you've described as unethical to write. But not everyone.

It also doesn't mean that Literotica would accept it. It might reject it under its politics rule. If it felt that the buttfucking of Trump was nonconsensual, then it might reject your story based on its rule that you cannot publish stories at Literotica that present celebrities in nonconsensual sex situations.

But there's nothing libelous about what you've described.