Publishing Rules

[AchtungNight]

I personally try to honor the celebrities about whom I write by giving them challenging acting roles that seem like something they’d do in parallel reality circumstances. And I’ve been sexually harassed many times myself, so… it’s a fact of life. I understand if people have issues with it, but there are disclaimers on my stories naming them fictional. And if we could not have our characters mirror real people at all, no stories would ever be produced. I truly do not intend harm, merely to entertain.

Not doing the politics you describe. It’s too much for me. I might have a politician enjoy a nice dinner with someone followed by some vanilla activity, but that’s it. I’ve already dealt with enough controversy parodying other things.

If I do a rape story, the only way the victim will get enjoyment is by thinking of someone else and letting their body respond to the situation so they please their attacker and don’t get hurt more. Then they’ll get more pleasure when their violent friend shows up and saves them from the attacker. Then that friend soothes them. Do you know if that works for Lit?

 

[Gamblnluck]

This is if they sue you. Literotica policy is another matter.

So what if they come after Literotica to sue you? because you defamed them and Lit allowed it? They shut down the site and then go after you as they trace down your IP address.
I'm taking this whole thing as an exercise in when fantasy/fiction writing should NOT cross certain lines.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I personally try to honor the celebrities about whom I write by giving them challenging acting roles that seem like something they’d do in parallel reality circumstances.

No, ANY story where the true person's name, history, etc is used in a salacious manner is NOT honoring them. Portraying them in any manner that is not true is demeaning.
And a disclaimer is nothing if you use their true name and background.
Many of my characters are based on real people. Some of the personalities and even some events are real. I change the names though.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Libel is written, slander spoken. In both cases the victim must prove you intended to defame them - you intended to lie and to make people believe that lie, to cause them harm. So they have to prove you did not intend it as parody, and did not think you were telling the truth.
This is if they sue you. Literotica policy is another matter.

Then it's impossible to prove and they'd lose the case. Because making up a fictional story about somebody (who just so happens to have a well-known name) is not the same thing as lying about them with the intent that people will believe it in order to cause them harm. Nobody is supposed to believe anything they read on here except the confessional "true story" stories. I don't believe writers on here pen their stories with the intent to harm other real world individuals.

 

[madelinemasoch]

No, ANY story where the true person's name, history, etc is used in a salacious manner is NOT honoring them. Portraying them in any manner that is not true is demeaning.
And a disclaimer is nothing if you use their true name and background.
Many of my characters are based on real people. Some of the personalities and even some events are real. I change the names though.

So are you demeaning them when you make stories up about them, or...?

My guess is no.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I write by giving them challenging acting roles that seem like something they’d do in parallel reality circumstances.

And would they? Would they agree with that statement?
Imagining Gal Godot as I write a character for a story is one thing. Using her real name, her personality or resume is quite another.

 

[8letters]

No, ANY story where the true person's name, history, etc is used in a salacious manner is NOT honoring them. Portraying them in any manner that is not true is demeaning.
And a disclaimer is nothing if you use their true name and background.
Many of my characters are based on real people. Some of the personalities and even some events are real. I change the names though.

I hope you enjoyed the ride on your high horse. If you really cared, you'd pull your stories from the site. If you're trying to persuade someone to not write a certain type of story, I recommend some other method than browbeating.

Would I do a celebrity story? No. But I won't condemn anyone for publishing a story that follows the site's rules, because the site's rules protect me too.

 

[Gamblnluck]

So are you demeaning them when you make stories up about them, or...?

My guess is no.

Actually, those personalities I used WITHOUT using their names was extremely demeaning. I did not make up stories about them. Rather, I introduced those personalities into my stories. Several in my 'Slave Camp" saga were based on people I knew, worked with plus my own ex-wife. "My Fragile Male Ego" story portrayed my own sister in law's personality to a tee. But i would never name names.

 

[AchtungNight]

No, of course I don’t know for sure if the celebrities I portray would approve. I’m only confident because I’ve had my stories up since 2006 and no one’s come after me yet. A Supreme Court case where they unanimously agreed to let Larry Flynt publish worse stories about Jerry Falwell than anything I would ever do and Falwell ended up friends with Flynt later in life has given me more confidence. So do the many celebrities who have admitted to laughing about such stories when they talk about googling themselves in interviews. If some celebrity ever contacted me about my work disliking it, I honestly don’t know what I would do. I hope I could convince them to see my side but… I’m not going to speculate one way or the other until it happens. I’m just going to keep working with my conscience, fans, and muse, taking it day by day, and having faith the fans outweigh the haters. That better be enough.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Then it's impossible to prove and they'd lose the case. Because making up a fictional story about somebody (who just so happens to have a well-known name) is not the same thing as lying about them with the intent that people will believe it in order to cause them harm.

So all libel cases are impossible because the 'writer made it up'? And why is writing a story where you depict a person in a 'very unsavory' situation different from lying? Is that effort not lying with intent?
This is an exercise in ethics. I find it amusing while at the same time as fascinating as "why don't the people in that category appreciate my stories".

 

[Euphony]

No, ANY story where the true person's name, history, etc is used in a salacious manner is NOT honoring them.

Plenty of celebrities have gone on record about the intentional disconnect of their actual selves and the persona they keep to maintain celebrity.

Many come to LOATHE that persona, sometimes even because people invent fake relationships or unhealthy cultish behavior with a fantasy that has to also look like them.

Standing up for the fiction of a fans imagination is scary behavior.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I’m just going to keep working with my conscience, fans, and muse, taking it day by day, and having faith the fans outweigh the haters. That better be enoug

Great. Go for it. That brings it around to my original point.Where I was hoping the thread would reach. Does ANYBODY have the right to how dictate or complain how anybody in the world portrays them? Are we all subject to each other?

 

[Gamblnluck]

lenty of celebrities have gone on record about the intentional disconnect of their actual selves and the persona they keep to maintain celebrity.

Many come to LOATHE that persona, sometimes even because people invent fake relationships or unhealthy cultish behavior with a fantasy that has to also look like them.

I remember one where Emma Watson of Harry Potter fame was appalled how fans wanted her 'dirty knickers'

 

[Bramblethorn]

So all libel cases are impossible because the 'writer made it up'?

No, because there's a difference between presenting something that purports to be fact and putting it in a story that's clearly intended to be understood as fiction.

And why is writing a story where you depict a person in a 'very unsavory' situation different from lying? Is that effort not lying with intent?

There are indeed religions that teach that any form of fictional storytelling is lying, but they're not influential on Literotica policies.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I hope you enjoyed the ride on your high horse. If you really cared, you'd pull your stories from the site. If you're trying to persuade someone to not write a certain type of story, I recommend some other method than browbeating.

Browbeating? No. I originally was asking about how using a real person's identity should be used here.

 

[madelinemasoch]

So all libel cases are impossible because the 'writer made it up'? And why is writing a story where you depict a person in a 'very unsavory' situation different from lying? Is that effort not lying with intent?
This is an exercise in ethics. I find it amusing while at the same time as fascinating as "why don't the people in that category appreciate my stories".

All libel cases are not about fictional stories. I'm certain only a small few of them are, because it's ridiculous. Nobody reads Tolkien for example and then thinks "goddamn! That man lied about New Zealand! I don't have hair on my feet! How immoral!" A piece of fiction isn't a lie.

If I lie and say "x person is a total whore" and that damaged reputation that's defamation of character. If I write about person x being whorish, everybody knows that it's fake and assuming everybody's heads are screwed on correctly nobody thinks person x is a whore irl or sees them negatively for it

 

[Gamblnluck]

A Supreme Court case where they unanimously agreed to let Larry Flynt publish worse stories about Jerry Falwell than anything I would ever do and Falwell ended up friends with Flynt later in life has given me more confidence.

So legal trumps ethical. Okay. Fair point.

 

[Euphony]

No, because there's a difference between presenting something that purports to be fact and putting it in a story that's clearly intended to be understood as fiction.

I don't even dare to explain the "satire" exemption to him.

Literally every night Late Night host LIE about the most power people in the country for laughs. Whole industries built around it.

I don't want to live in a world where there can be no Onion.

 

[AchtungNight]

OP- you yourself have admitted to demeaning people in your stories. IMO that ruins your credibility when you ask others not to do the same.

 

[Euphony]

Browbeating? No. I originally was asking about how using a real person's identity should be used here.

Per the rules stated in the guidelines. It is a PRIVATE site and they choose their own risk tolerance for possible legal disruption.

If there are grey areas, there is a rejection and resubmission option.

Your "ethics" don't matter. You are a guest in someone else's publishing home.

 

[Gamblnluck]

All libel cases are not about fictional stories. I'm certain only a small few of them are, because it's ridiculous. Nobody reads Tolkien for example and then thinks "goddamn! That man lied about New Zealand! I don't have hair on my feet! How immoral!" A piece of fiction isn't a lie.

Big difference between using a country and an actual person with a family and a career/history.

 

[Gamblnluck]

OP- you yourself have admitted to demeaning people in your stories. IMO that ruins your credibility when you ask others not to do the same.

I never named them. I used their characteristics, personalities, NOT their identities.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I mean think about it this way.

Judge: Did you produce this material with the intention that people would believe it?
Writer: No, it's a piece of pure fiction. While it may be inspired by the plaintiff, no damage to their reputation was intended nor even incurred. It did not happen, I don't want anyone to believe that it happened, as it is a piece of fiction and not a malicious lie.

Case closed right there.

 

[Euphony]

Big difference between using a country and an actual person with a family and a career/history.

Do go on about how YOUR "ethics" are superior to others and even the law of the land.

We
are
riveted.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Big difference between using a country and an actual person with a family and a career/history.

Not really when all the people who live there are involved as well... You didn't even finish reading my example: "I don't have hair on my feet."