Prop 8 ruled Unconstitutional!

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I ignore no one.....as I've stated countless times: JBJ and AmiCoot have a perfect and indelible right to be as racist and uninformed as they want.....let them wallow in their stupidity....they're entitled...

Dont forget to include homophobic, misogynist, misanthropic, bipedal, former smoker, xenophobic, and omnivorous. I was a thespian once or twice but took the cure.

I really recommend being a racist, though. I laugh my ass off when I see the whole gang of cripples limping around with their affirmative action crutches begging for a handout, hand, check, and excuse to sit life out. So I embrace my racism manfully and unashamedly. certain that God is a white boy. I can live without rhythm.

 

[squarejohn]

Forget about the merits--or demerits--of homo-matrimony. Why has this come up now? Why not twenty years or twenty centuries ago? Why now?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Forget about the merits--or demerits--of homo-matrimony. Why has this come up now? Why not twenty years or twenty centuries ago? Why now?

As one A. Einstein once said;

"It steam engines when it comes steam engine time."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Because we let the clowns run the circus, and they let the geeks out of the cages.

 

[squarejohn]

Because we let the clowns run the circus, and they let the geeks out of the cages.

That's true. Our task now is to put them in their places.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That's true. Our task now is to put them in their places.

You know, I like my criticism served up plain without any sarcastic BS flavors. What youre doing is the sort of thing that cowardly assclowns do. So give it another whack and redeem your testicles.

 

[bronzeage]

Forget about the merits--or demerits--of homo-matrimony. Why has this come up now? Why not twenty years or twenty centuries ago? Why now?

As Patrick Henry said, "If not now, when?"

It has come up now for the same reason all of these kinds of things come up.

Someone finally found the courage to say, "You can treat me this way only as long as I endure and I will no longer endure it."

Every new personal freedom is seen as a threat by someone.

I remember being told that school desegregation would result in all the white girls in the senior class becoming pregnant with mulatto babies.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

As Patrick Henry said, "If not now, when?"

It has come up now for the same reason all of these kinds of things come up.

Someone finally found the courage to say, "You can treat me this way only as long as I endure and I will no longer endure it."

Every new personal freedom is seen as a threat by someone.

I remember being told that school desegregation would result in all the white girls in the senior class becoming pregnant with mulatto babies.

It only took, what?, 5 million years. I mean, look at Africa, those guys have been there since the beginning and theyre still eating monkeys and squatting in the dirt. Maybe some things are meant to remain as they are. William Calvin says that life in Africa does little to challenge or stimulate human intellect. Just like a penis inside an asshole does little to create new people.

 

[theravenfox]

Prop 8, Minority Rights, & American Democracy
by Marty Klein

Democracy does not mean three wolves and lamb voting on what’s for dinner.

And that’s why last week’s federal court ruling overturning California’s Proposition 8 is good news for all Americans. Prop 8 did something that should never be done—it put the question of a minority group’s rights up for a vote.

America’s courts have two functions, one them absolutely unique. Of course, our courts try cases of wrongdoing—someone’s accused of breaking the law, they have their day in court, they’re found innocent or guilty. In addition, however, our courts try a special kind of case—they judge whether a law itself violates the law. Sometimes the government creates this law on its own, through Congress, a state legislature, a city council, etc.. Sometimes, as in California, people vote for a law directly through a referendum—via propositions.

It’s one of these laws-that-people-voted-for that Judge Walker found illegal—i.e., unconstitutional. He found that Prop 8 is a law that separates Californians into two groups, giving a certain right to one while denying it to the other. And he couldn’t find any logical, evidence-based facts to justify the discrimination that Prop 8’s law demands. So he had to overturn the law that people had voted for—because they voted for a law that is illegal.

Voters aren’t constitutional lawyers, so they can’t be expected to understand that sometimes they vote to create a law that is illegal. But that’s what happened in California. And Judge Walker reminded everyone that a community can’t do that—not even if 99% of the voters want to.

This is not “judicial activism,” it’s being a judge. Judge Walker was doing the job he was asked to do when appointed by President George H.W. Bush.

Yes, the will of the majority—at least, as expressed in the 2008 election that passed Proposition 8—has been overruled. Because the majority got to vote on something they shouldn’t have been allowed to vote on—the rights of a minority. And because the majority voted to restrict the minority’s rights based, as they themselves put it, on tradition, morality, and the religious beliefs of the majority.

And that’s exactly what the majority in America is not allowed to do. It’s right there in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution:
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

And since government is in the business of granting marriage licenses, and government is in the business of guaranteeing the rights that result from being married, anything that restricts a special group from the right to marry cannot be legal. Even if the majority votes to create such a restriction.

Evidence of those good reasons? Judge Walker said there was none. Tradition, feelings of discomfort, and strongly-held religious beliefs are not, in 21st-century America, good enough reasons to deny a minority the civil rights enjoyed by the majority.

Moments after the ruling, the American Family Association launched a vicious attack on America’s legal system. AFA said that because Judge Walker is gay, he cannot rule fairly on this case. If that’s true, judges who drink shouldn’t be judging drunk-driving cases; judges without children shouldn’t be judging cases involving school taxes or teacher behavior; judges who own guns shouldn’t judge cases involving the right to bear arms; and Catholic judges shouldn’t rule on abortion cases.

Or is it that only Catholic judges should rule on abortion cases, and only judges who drink should rule on drunk-driving cases?

This makes it impossible to have any judges at all. There are no judges without personal lives, there are no judges who have nothing in common with the cases they judge. AFA has done a wonderful job of exposing themselves for what they are—completely cynical about the American system of democracy. They have always demanded the kind of “democracy” in which the Bible of a small number of people rules everyone else.

Until AFA deposes the American government and substitutes a theocracy, all Americans can breathe easier because of Judge Walker’s ruling—in which he said that fear and discomfort with homosexuality, and unscientific ideas about the brains of homosexuals, are not a sufficient reason to deny government benefits to a certain group of people. You don’t have to be a member of that certain group to appreciate that this ruling celebrates your country, and makes you safer in it.

Source: Carnal Nation (http://clp.ly/11aiU)

 

[bronzeage]

It only took, what?, 5 million years. I mean, look at Africa, those guys have been there since the beginning and theyre still eating monkeys and squatting in the dirt. Maybe some things are meant to remain as they are. William Calvin says that life in Africa does little to challenge or stimulate human intellect. Just like a penis inside an asshole does little to create new people.

It took 5 million years to produce you.

Despite the disappointment, we continue.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The above opinion is nonsense. Homosexual marriage is a new legal creature that has never existed in the United States, or anywhere, until recently. Imagination is not proof of natural right, investment, precedent, or political will. Its merely a nifty, new idea pretending to be what it isnt and never was. Judge Walker simply hallucinates something the Founders had no idea existed in the Constitution. Courts do it a lot. Its the same class of problem as seeing faces in clouds or mirages.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Almost any day now I expect a federal judge to imagine that poor people have rights to the companies they work for or rights to their neighbor's property. Or maybe a right to escape prosecution by the state.

 

[xssve]

It's very basic question James, in what way does anything homosexuals do violate your rights?

Ones constitutional rights are only removed when one attempts to take them away from someone else, we call them criminals, in this case, it's the right of any two people of legal age to form a social-economic bond, it's something we humans do, to say who or under what conditions for any reason but a demonstrable interest in public safety or a clear and unambiguous threats to someone else's constitutional rights, is arbitrary.

And insofar as marriage itself has ever had anything to do with reproduction, it's been about keeping the wealth in the family - we'd think it odd if you, as the younger brother, were required to knock up your older brothers wife, should he happen to die without an heir, but a refusal to do so would be Onanism.

Previously, there really wasn't much of a need for gay marriage, things were much more informal, divorce was next to impossible to attain, hospital administrators weren't nearly as afraid of lawsuits - the reform of the entire institution of marriage is only a thing of the last half century or so, this is just evening things out for everybody.

So essentially, all you're objecting to, is idea that somebody else has the same rights you do - this is why it doesn't fly as any kind of constitutional argument, it violates any number of amendments, from search and seizure, to equal protection to establishment - all written to protect you, because a law based on who, how, and what you fuck is by definition, an arbitrary standard - and once you allow an arbitrary standard, nobody is safe - it all becomes strictly a matter of opinion and you have a dictatorship of the masses - you're all for that, yes?

Constitutionally, the argument has nothing to do with homosexuality, it has to do with rule of law, and the inevitable slipper slope when you start making laws that apply arbitrarily to one group of citizens and not another, here it's sex, but where do you stop? Race? Class? Religion? Height Weight?

There is a reason we do it this way Jimmie boy, it's because the Framers of the Constitution were aware that civilization, having already been though Five or Six centuries of bloody, internecine religious warfare, and not having gained the slightest benefit form any of it, it was time to rethink the whole business - been there, done that, moving on, you just wish to undo all their good work - you and the other recidivists have no respect for the constitution, you make that clear, but that is the law.

We could drop you back in the Fifteenth century and you'd fit right in, but this isn't the Fifteenth century, so deal with it.

You can't make laws that punish people for being homosexual for the exact same reason you can't make laws that punish people for being Christian, or as is the usual wont of Christians, Protestants punish Catholics, Catholics punish Protestants, everybody punish the Jews, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum - like I said, we already know there is no logical end to it, it just keeps going.

You are the reason it has to be this way, it has to be law, because you cannot keep your fat nose out of other peoples business.

And if your nose is in my business, you can expect it to get tweaked, so either grow the fuck up, or go whine somewhere else.

 

[xssve]

The only practical purpose the right wing serves anymore is to serve as a constant reminder that there is no end to the ways we can divide people up in order to screw them over.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

XSSVE

You can make the same argument for female circumcision or cannibals or anything, really. But people carve up the planet into 100s of societies with different rules because one size doesnt fit all. I'd have no problem stoning adulterers to death but that isnt how we do it in America.

The real issue beneath all the whooping is, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT GOES?

The mob, a solitary judge-philosopher, the king, wise men? Maybe let me do the deciding with a pistol?

Florida used to hang teen felons and no court had a problem with the practice, Florida used to marry preteen girls and it was okay. The courts imagined nothing in the Constitution to stop either practice. But now judges see things no one ever saw before.

 

[xssve]

Florida used to hang teen felons and no court had a problem with the practice, Florida used to marry preteen girls and it was okay. The courts imagined nothing in the Constitution to stop either practice. But now judges see things no one ever saw before.

You idiots started the hysteria about children, it was yoru first go to argument against gays: "they'll molest our children", they'll make our children gay", etc., etc., it's been the standby for years, in spite of a complete lack of any evidence, but to sell it, you had to create all this hysteria about children, to the point that a 17 year old is a "child", in order to pad out the statistics.

Look, the sad fact is, this is an other-directed country, a bunch of fucking cocksuckers who will do anything to get along and not stand out, and you're no different - all this institutional homophobia is a bonding mechanism so you can reassure each other that you're "normal", you can't defend it, because that might imply that you're gay.

It isn't morality or practicality, it's fear, and what you're afraid of is each other.

At what point did you need someone to tell you "what goes"? Is this something you're incapable of doing for yourself? You need someone to tell you "what goes"?

Fine, here it is, I hate repeating myself, but again, what goes is anything that doesn't involve taking away the rights of others, it covers a lot of territory, but there you go.

So, if you're rights are being violated, you have an argument, if not, you're whining, and if the point of that whining involves taking someone else's rights away, it isn't going "to go", regardless of how much confusion or distress that causes you and your delicate sensibilities.

Deal with it, you know, LIKE AN ADULT.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

XSSVE

Gay arent entitled to anything they cant get on their own hook or via trading. Its how the world works. If gays wanna marry whats in it for me? Not much based on my experiences with gayz and niggaz and galz. What am I bid for my support?

The best persuader there is, is: ARENT YOU TIRED OF GIVING THESE CREEPS EVERYTHING THEY DEMAND AND GETTING SHIT IN RETURN? FUCK THEM FOR A WHILE.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think jimmy already knows all of what you're saying, xssve.

He's desperate for attention.

 

[xssve]

XSSVE

Gay arent entitled to anything they cant get on their own hook or via trading. Its how the world works. If gays wanna marry whats in it for me? Not much based on my experiences with gayz and niggaz and galz. What am I bid for my support?

The best persuader there is, is: ARENT YOU TIRED OF GIVING THESE CREEPS EVERYTHING THEY DEMAND AND GETTING SHIT IN RETURN? FUCK THEM FOR A WHILE.

What are they getting exactly, and what is it they are supposed to owe me?

So don't buy a them wedding present, problem solved.

 

[3113]

It took 5 million years to produce you.

Naw, the aliens dumped him on our doorstep. Failed experiment and all that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

What are they getting exactly, and what is it they are supposed to owe me?

So don't buy a them wedding present, problem solved.

....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

What are they getting exactly, and what is it they are supposed to owe me?

So don't buy a them wedding present, problem solved.

You demand Cosmic Justice but thats not how the game is played, dear. If Nancy Pelosi's hair caught on fire she wouldnt let you put the fire out without a bribe to do it. Faggot-Americans arent Teddy Bears everyone's gotta have or die! They want what they want, and the market says to them, HOW MUCH YOU WILLING TO PAY? If they wanna succeed as gimme grabbers they need to study the niggaz.

 

[bronzeage]

XSSVE

You can make the same argument for female circumcision or cannibals or anything, really. But people carve up the planet into 100s of societies with different rules because one size doesnt fit all. I'd have no problem stoning adulterers to death but that isnt how we do it in America.

The real issue beneath all the whooping is, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT GOES?

The mob, a solitary judge-philosopher, the king, wise men? Maybe let me do the deciding with a pistol?

Florida used to hang teen felons and no court had a problem with the practice, Florida used to marry preteen girls and it was okay. The courts imagined nothing in the Constitution to stop either practice. But now judges see things no one ever saw before.

Fair enough. If we let you hang a teen felon and marry a preteen girl, will you concede on gay marriage?

Just to show there is true flexibility, you can marry a teen felon, just before the execution. That way, you don't actually have to do anything but show up.

Even better, show up with your pistol and save the state the cost of the executioner's fee. It's simple. Say your vows, till death do you part, one shot in the back of her head. I assume you want a girl, but if you want a boy, it's your choice.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

How about we put a cash bounty on all teens, turn them loose on the 13th birthday, and grant them amnesty if they simply go away till theyre 40? But I am partial to hanging them and charging admission.

From my story CAREFUL WITH THAT AXE, EUGENE.

Abner Spinks is 14 years old.

"Abner stood above the trap-door waiting; the crowd was hushed and still; in the distance he heard crows cawing.

“Good-bye, Abner,” an unseen voice giggled inside Abner's head.

Sheriff White looked pale, but calm. The proof of his preparations was at hand. He is a man with a tender heart, and this awful duty was distasteful to him; still it was his duty, and he intended to execute it himself rather than force it on one of his deputies.

At the appointed time, White seized the lethal lever, gave it a quick pull, and Spinks’ body fell through the trap. When the rope tightened, his 180 pounds shook the scaffold till it swayed. This was at 11:47 a.m. The fall broke Spinks’ neck and the body never moved again after the gallows ceased moving. The audience gasped.

Before the hanging, Deputies stretched the rope with a heavy weight for 24 hours and varnished it; it did not untwist, and Spinks’ body hung motionless rather than “dancing on nothing,” as happens without the preparation.

I examined the corpse. Though life seemed extinct, I waited 30 minutes before I declared Abner dead. After the deputies cut Spinks down and placed the noose on his chest, they took him to D.C. Jones’ undertaking parlors where he was embalmed. No one claimed his body and he was buried in the city cemetery, far from his native New York and family, if he had one. Other deputies untwisted the rope, cut it into pieces, and distributed it among the crowd.

 

[bronzeage]

How about we put a cash bounty on all teens, turn them loose on the 13th birthday, and grant them amnesty if they simply go away till theyre 40? But I am partial to hanging them and charging admission.

It's strange you condemn homosexuals for their practices and then reveal this hanging fetish. You can take the auto out of auto-asphyxiation, but you are still a sick fuck. The real drawback is that when your latest sexual conquest is unable to run away, you are stuck with him.

It won't be long before the sheriffs department comes around to check your ever expanding landscaping.