Prescription for a revolt.

[pecksniff]

It's really not.

And your side is losing congress in a year.

You can pin your hopes on the 2022 midterms -- but it won't be any revolution, not even in the sense that the 1994 midterms were a revolution.

 

[CornusKousa]

You can pin your hopes on the 2022 midterms -- but it won't be any revolution, not even in the sense that the 1994 midterms were a revolution.

You're DESPERATELY hoping.

Trump or Trump surrogate is taking the WH in 2024 as well... and we're going to burn your precious bureaucratic psycho-police state to the ground.

 

[pecksniff]

You're DESPERATELY hoping.

Trump or Trump surrogate is taking the WH in 2024 as well... and we're going to burn your precious bureaucratic psycho-police state to the ground.

It won't be any revolution, because the Tea Partiers and Trumpers have ruined the GOP. The party no longer has the chops it had in Gingrich's day. It no longer has any platform. It no longer has any agenda other than obstructing the Dems. If Trump gets another term (and he won't), there still will be no wall, and he will accomplish no more than he did in his first, which wasn't much. In 2028 the federal government will still be there, in its present form, with its present scope of powers and functions, and the states will have no more autonomy than they have now.

 

[CornusKousa]

It won't be any revolution, because the Tea Partiers and Trumpers have ruined the GOP. The party no longer has the chops it had in Gingrich's day. It no longer has any platform. It no longer has any agenda other than obstructing the Dems.

Says the leftist.....

Back in the real world the number of people regretting giving (D)'s the USA is growing RAPIDLY.

And it's not obstructing, it's destroying.

If Trump gets another term (and he won't), there still will be no wall, and he will accomplish no more than he did in his first, which wasn't much.

Appointments matter.

In 2028 the federal government will still be there, in its present form, with its present scope of powers and functions, and the states will have no more autonomy than they have now.

Nope, we gained ground last time, we'll gain ground again.... and ya'll will be screaching "FASCIST!!" all the way as we cut your strings of control and force you to mind even more of your own fuckin' bidnizz this time around.

You want a no ID needed HC system for any and all who show up with their hands out?

You do that in CA and you make CA voters PAY for it...... you don't get to force Texas into it.

You want to control guns? You do that in your states....we're abolishing the ATF.

 

[pecksniff]

Says the leftist.....

Back in the real world the number of people regretting giving (D)'s the USA is growing RAPIDLY.

And it's not obstructing, it's destroying.

Time is on our side, not yours. As the GIs and Silents and Boomers die off, power will pass to leftier generations -- and they will not grow more conservative as they age.

 

[pecksniff]

Appointments matter.

That's called "burrowing," and it is a sign of desperation -- a rear-guard holding action, something you do while retreating, not advancing.

 

[CornusKousa]

Time is on our side, not yours.

But reality is not.

As the GIs and Silents and Boomers die off, power will pass to leftier generations -- and they will not grow more conservative as they age.

Then they will fucking starve to death like the Venezuelans and N. Koreans they admire so much.

MEANWHILE in 32+ red states, we'll still have civil rights and the ability to make a living and improve our lot in life... turning blue states green with envy and rage.

Just like TX and FL already are.

 

[CornusKousa]

That's called "burrowing," and it is a sign of desperation -- a rear-guard holding action, something you do while retreating, not advancing.

Not at all.... you're speaking in opposites as usual.

That' burrowing is all you guys have done for a while. You can't actually get any of your "progress" done democratically, so you try to force it through via the administrative state.

Attacking the enemy at their foundation, their base of strength is the advance.

We're going to take that beat stick from you, you've proven you can't be trusted with it.

 

[bellisarius]

Time is on our side, not yours. As the GIs and Silents and Boomers die off, power will pass to leftier generations -- and they will not grow more conservative as they age.

Oh, you're just going to find out how few of you there really are. Hopefully not the hard way.

 

[oggbashan]

Time is on our side, not yours. As the GIs and Silents and Boomers die off, power will pass to leftier generations -- and they will not grow more conservative as they age.

History suggests you are wrong. Almost everyone moves rightwards with age.

 

[Champakian]

The Progressive Left has been pushing the pendulum so hard,
that eventually people are going to push back and there are
currently signs of that all over from Chappelle to Maher.

But what struck me yesterday was the viciousness of the responses,
there was no attempt at all to honestly discuss the issue;
just faked khaki pants and tiki-torches...

Nemesis follows hubris.

 

[Champakian]

Additionally, people don't mind change, gradual change,
the boiling the frog slowly change that the Left engaged
in for years, but now that they think they've "won,"
their impatience grows and they demand radical
changes, which, like dead cops, they want NOW!

People will revolt against this...

 

[oggbashan]

The Progressive Left has been pushing the pendulum so hard,
that eventually people are going to push back and there are
currently signs of that all over from Chappelle to Maher.

But what struck me yesterday was the viciousness of the responses,
there was no attempt at all to honestly discuss the issue;
just faked khaki pants and tiki-torches...

Nemesis follows hubris.

The viciousness of the US debates is from both sides.

We in the UK have had a similar polarisation but the recent killing of a Member of Parliament has persuaded some politicians to tone down their attacks on the other side because he, and the previous MP murdered. were both dedicated to their towns, and were prepared to work with people from the other side. It has been a shock. Whether the reduction in rhetoric will continue? I hope so, as I hope that there will be some attempt in the US to consider that the others are not just evil.

 

[bellisarius]

History suggests you are wrong. Almost everyone moves rightwards with age.

I believe ole Winston had something to say about that.

 

[Champakian]

"It's really important to remember why we are talking about school boards at all: because it's about white supremacy," says Jeffrey Toobin. That's how Youngkin wins.

Matt Welch, Reason.com (Libertarian)


Pendulum pushback (Even though I have already posited
that the votes will be counted, found and recounted until
the Democrats can claim that the election was almost
stolen from them by Republican fraud/suppression...)

 

[bellisarius]

"It's really important to remember why we are talking about school boards at all: because it's about white supremacy," says Jeffrey Toobin. That's how Youngkin wins.

Matt Welch, Reason.com (Libertarian)


Pendulum pushback (Even though I have already posited
that the votes will be counted, found and recounted until
the Democrats can claim that the election was almost
stolen from them by Republican fraud/suppression...)

Should Youngkin win are the dems going to take to the streets? We'll see by Wed., or Thur. or maybe sometime in Dec.

 

[Champakian]

Should Youngkin win are the dems going to take to the streets? We'll see by Wed., or Thur. or maybe sometime in Dec.

Well this is where we call them pussies...

 

[Champakian]

...

“It’s not about how it’s wrong to be woke,” McWhorter told me [John Sexton]. “It’s about how a certain subset of ‘the woke’ these days are hurting Black people in the name of something that they’re calling anti-racism.”

He adds the “clergy,” which include academics like Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi, have gained too much influence. As he sees it, the idea that racism is baked into America’s social structures is actually an impediment to advancing racial issues today.

...

There’s been a vast over-swing of the pendulum. We have this reign of terror, where people are getting fired, people are pretending to agree with things, people are watching their children being mis-educated in certain ways. All because everybody is afraid of being called a racist on Twitter by articulate, over-educated people…

They’re going to keep on calling people racist and create a society of rampant mendacity where most people look on this sort of thing, realize there’s something wrong, but let it pass because very few people are up for being called a racist. Most people would rather fake it than endure that. That’s not the society I want to live in. And so I’d like us to go back to roughly 2010....

John McWhorter


https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/10...ke-religion-arent-open-to-other-ideas-n425782

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK, the trans lobby has been too vociferous, damning anyone who doesn't accept their arguments wholeheartedly.

Recently, J K Rowling, the Canterbury Member of parliament, and a Professor at Sussex University have been attacked verbally, online, and with real threats of physical violence for saying that although they support in principle the campaign for trans rights, that campaign should not diminish women's hard-won rights and worst of all, for saying whatever a person says they are, they cannot change their physical genetics. Once a woman, always your body will be a woman no matter how many operations you have. That apparently is trans-hate.

J K Rowling and the MP have stood by their words and refused to change.

The Professor, although supported by her University colleagues, was condemned by her union and has resigned from her post because she was frightened by the real threats to herself and her family.

This is taking wokeness far too far.

 

[Champakian]

The West, with a few exceptions, has become the snake eating its own tail...



There will eventually be a pushback, a revolt against the revolting, as it were.

 

[WillJ8787]

But circumstances can be created where they'll self deport.

Lots of jobs will be opened up and the employers will have to pay more for those jobs to get done. That's what you and your commie buddies have been jawboning about isn't it? That should take a big bite out of welfare payments as well.

Launching off a comment that rightguide made. When the civil authorities will not, or cannot, enforce the law then it is up to the citizens to do so. One of the main reasons the 2nd amendment exists to begin with. And if it gets bad enough you have no idea how draconian it's going to get. Of course the rest of the world will be condemning us left and right, but to no avail. The problem is that the rest of the world needs the US a hell of a lot more than the US needs the rest of the world. And no one, and I do mean no one, is going to be sending in an "UN Peace Keeping" force to set things right.

And after the dust settles there will still be millions waiting in line to apply to become a US citizen...................legally.

During the financial crisis in 2008 significant numbers if Mexicans went home....they had more opportunities in Mexico. Self-deporting?

 

[WillJ8787]

Fantasy time is thinking we're going to have any RW revolt, violent or otherwise.

Chuckles...and the fun of this topic continues.

Kinda like fantasy football

 

[oggbashan]

During the financial crisis in 2008 significant numbers if Mexicans went home....they had more opportunities in Mexico. Self-deporting?

Even before Brexit, many Poles were leaving the UK, because Poland's economy was recovering, and where there hadn't been opportunities in Poland for young people, now there were.

Working in your own country, even if for slightly lower wages than on offer in the UK, was more attractive.

 

[bellisarius]

During the financial crisis in 2008 significant numbers if Mexicans went home....they had more opportunities in Mexico. Self-deporting?

eVerify and fines with some teeth. Throw in an elevation to a felony charge after the first offense. Go after the employers.

 

[oggbashan]

UK employers are liable for criminal charges if they knowingly employ illegals.

Knowingly is the keyword. Most large employers would not be prosecuted if their paperwork showed they had made reasonable attempts to prove that the employee had resident UK status (and might have well-forged documents).

But there are places such as car-washes, anil bars and brothels that are staffed by modern slaves, indebted to people smugglers. Those places are monitored and sometimes raided by the police. The illegals are given counselling and support while those running the places can be prosecuted.