Premises, premises, always premises.

[Ishmael]

Clinton and the Latino vote

The entire article is from a white liberal POV. The authors ASSUME that Latinos are a homogeneous voting bloc. Incapable of independent thought.

Here in New Mexico, the most Latin state in the union, over 60% of the Latin vote don't want the illegals here. They see the crime, the loss of jobs, and the erosion of wages. They are as effected as the black population in other parts of the nation.

But the authors assume that because they're Latin that they're all in favor of voting against their economic well being. So the authors apply pseudo-intellectual pretzel logic to make their point.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Meanwhile, back on the reality-based Planet Earth...

Hispanic vote in Presidential elections

• --1980 Jimmy Carter, 56% Ronald Reagan, 35% +21
• --1984 Walter Mondale, 61% Ronald Reagan, 37% +24
• --1988 Michael Dukakis, 69% George H.W. Bush, 30% +39
• --1992 Bill Clinton, 61% George H.W. Bush, 25% +36
• --1996 Bill Clinton, 72% Bob Dole, 21% +51
• --2000 Al Gore, 62% George W. Bush, 35% +27
• --2004 John Kerry, 58% George W. Bush, 40% +18
• --2008 Barack Obama, 67% John McCain, 31% +36
• --2012 Barack Obama, 71% Mitt Romney, 27% +44

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's less homogenous than the black vote tbf. The concept that a Republican could win the Hispanic vote sometime in the next twenty years is not unthinkable.

 

[Ishmael]

RubDownSow seems to think that past performance is a predictor of future behavior. And it's as good a starting point as any. But things change. Look at the voting patterns for the black community pre and post 1964 for example.

What RubDownSow doesn't seem to snap to is the fact that the article linked wouldn't exist if there weren't a problem. Further, the article clearly exhibits the "that nigger is off the plantation" attitude so predominant in the liberal intellectual circles. Neither blacks nor Latins are individuals in their eyes (women either for that matter), merely a demographic to be catered to, lied to.

Seriously folks, when the democrats and their willing allies in the press have to fall back on the Obama 'birther' mantra, a mantra started be Hillary's campaign in 2008, and try to pin it on Trump...........just how desperate are they? And even so Trump made a fool of the press for the attempt.

I see in the press where the democrats are pinning their hopes on the debates. Good luck there. Trumps only goals is to make her screech or convulse with coughing fits, as if her health isn't already in question. The press will label Trump "mean" in doing so. The retort will be, "If she can't deal with a benign opponent, how is she going to deal with an opponent that truly means us harm?" The presidency is gender neutral folks.

The trends are all wrong and the desperation is showing, for Christ's sake, offering cash for blackmail material??? That's right out of National Inquirer!!!

As I opined almost a year ago, Trump isn't out of any conventional political molding or catechism. But the democrats are playing the conventional game against him as if he were Bush III, or Cruz, or whoever the party republicans may have chosen. As long as Trump doesn't seriously step on his dick between now and the elections the democrat intellectuals, and their willing allies in the press, are going to demonstrate the most pretzel twisting logic that man has endured in modern history.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm not ignorant to the fact that things are capable of changing. The reality is that when it comes to politics everything is mercurial and you never know for certain when it's going to snap into a new shape.

I've personally always chalked up the Latino vote staying fairly solidly Dem with two facts. They DO vote for economic policies that help them, when you make up an above average percent of the poor you don't vote to cut welfare. (Unless you're Rednecks but I honestly chalk that up to a group of peoplw who cannot seem to hate Democrats less and love themselves more. As a general rule it's agreed that Reconstruction was a failure and I don't believe the South has ever truly recovered economically. Poor people get angry. It's one of the basic rules of life.

The other fact is you can claim all you want that there isn't a strong racist theme that runs throughout the Republican Party but only Republicans believe that and the reality here is that politics is largely about perception. Even if it is the truth the story doesn't sound very convincing.

Of course blacks and Latinos and Arabs and yadda yadda are individuals. The reality is we are smaller groups with more similar backgrounds than the white population. That sort of thing tends to quickly lend itself to moving in blocks. I bet if we still bothered to categorize whites by nation of origin and religion that we'd find that there is a lot less "diversity" once you start talking about a smaller group for fairly obvious reasons. Just a hypothesis mind you.

The birther mantra that Trump was riding hard in 2012 and only just now denounced. Not that Hillary actually started that, as far as I can trace it was an email by one of her supporters but even that doesn't matter. I can accept apologies, I can even accept shutting the fuck up and hoping I forget. I usually don't, it's usually lingering in my head somewhere and I'll casually drop it to see how one reacts but honestly it's not going to be my driving force.

Truth be told it's hard to tell if the Dems are honestly worried. I can't imagine they were scared of Romney but it's hard to trust the press on certain issues and I don't even know how you would improve it. I think they are in business to make money and would still be selling "Trumps got a real chance" tee shirts if he was down 80 pts in every poll. On the flip side I can utterly sympathize with what I assume would be your position. If they came out and said it's over that a lot of people wouldn't vote and it would be essentially them picking the winners. Would it happen everytime? Fuck no. A certain percent of people just like to prove the pundits wrong and would show up when they hadn't planned to. In the end this is something I think is wrong but every solution I can see save perhaps trusting foreign journalists who have less of a stake in it would do any good. Even that I don't know if I'd trust since I suspect minus perhaps Putin the world wants Hillary.

I agree with you that Trump is a truly unique animal that nobody has figured out how to fight. I admit to having been late to that party but I'm also inclined to believe that Ted Cruz (just for example) didn't become Never Trump, he was always there but did the political triangulation and assuming pissing off Trump's supporters was more dangerous to his chances than going after him.

I don't think pretzel logic gets any worse than "We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." In fact I believe Orwell once wrote that much more succinctly. "War is Peace." But make no doubts there will be some ugly twisting here.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well said.



They went from this "thing is in the bag" to pure panic in one weekend...

TO THE BARRICADES!

 

[Darbhinder]

Well said.



They went from this "thing is in the bag" to pure panic in one weekend...

TO THE BARRICADES!

Yes, the panic is on. Just look at all the anti trump threads compared to anti Clinton threads. That shows who's panicking my little prairie nigger.

 

[RobDownSouth]

RubDownSow seems to think that past performance is a predictor of future behavior. And it's as good a starting point as any. But things change. Look at the voting patterns for the black community pre and post 1964 for example.

What RubDownSow doesn't seem to snap to is the fact that the article linked wouldn't exist if there weren't a problem. Further, the article clearly exhibits the "that nigger is off the plantation" attitude so predominant in the liberal intellectual circles. Neither blacks nor Latins are individuals in their eyes (women either for that matter), merely a demographic to be catered to, lied to.

Seriously folks, when the democrats and their willing allies in the press have to fall back on the Obama 'birther' mantra, a mantra started be Hillary's campaign in 2008, and try to pin it on Trump...........just how desperate are they? And even so Trump made a fool of the press for the attempt.

I see in the press where the democrats are pinning their hopes on the debates. Good luck there. Trumps only goals is to make her screech or convulse with coughing fits, as if her health isn't already in question. The press will label Trump "mean" in doing so. The retort will be, "If she can't deal with a benign opponent, how is she going to deal with an opponent that truly means us harm?" The presidency is gender neutral folks.

The trends are all wrong and the desperation is showing, for Christ's sake, offering cash for blackmail material??? That's right out of National Inquirer!!!

As I opined almost a year ago, Trump isn't out of any conventional political molding or catechism. But the democrats are playing the conventional game against him as if he were Bush III, or Cruz, or whoever the party republicans may have chosen. As long as Trump doesn't seriously step on his dick between now and the elections the democrat intellectuals, and their willing allies in the press, are going to demonstrate the most pretzel twisting logic that man has endured in modern history.

Ishmael

If you truly believe that the Republican candidate, who has made a point to continually demonize virtually all Hispanics, will somehow garner a large number of Hispanic votes come November, then you are truly delusional.

#WishfulThinking
#SerialChildKiller

 

[Disgustipated]

RubDownSow seems to think that past performance is a predictor of future behavior. And it's as good a starting point as any. But things change. Look at the voting patterns for the black community pre and post 1964 for example.

What other starting point is there?

What RubDownSow doesn't seem to snap to is the fact that the article linked wouldn't exist if there weren't a problem. Further, the article clearly exhibits the "that nigger is off the plantation" attitude so predominant in the liberal intellectual circles. Neither blacks nor Latins are individuals in their eyes (women either for that matter), merely a demographic to be catered to, lied to.

No shit? That's pretty much the definition of "life".

Seriously folks, when the democrats and their willing allies in the press have to fall back on the Obama 'birther' mantra, a mantra started be Hillary's campaign in 2008, and try to pin it on Trump...........just how desperate are they? And even so Trump made a fool of the press for the attempt.

You sure about that?

I see in the press where the democrats are pinning their hopes on the debates. Good luck there. Trumps only goals is to make her screech or convulse with coughing fits, as if her health isn't already in question. The press will label Trump "mean" in doing so. The retort will be, "If she can't deal with a benign opponent, how is she going to deal with an opponent that truly means us harm?" The presidency is gender neutral folks.

What articles say? Your internet must work different than the rest of the world's.

The trends are all wrong and the desperation is showing, for Christ's sake, offering cash for blackmail material??? That's right out of National Inquirer!!!

The Inquirer is a recognized Pulitzer candidate. Try something from the last 20 years.

As I opined almost a year ago, Trump isn't out of any conventional political molding or catechism. But the democrats are playing the conventional game against him as if he were Bush III, or Cruz, or whoever the party republicans may have chosen. As long as Trump doesn't seriously step on his dick between now and the elections the democrat intellectuals, and their willing allies in the press, are going to demonstrate the most pretzel twisting logic that man has endured in modern history.

Ishmael

You're proven liar, there is no one left who cares your about your opines.

Aren't you dead yet?

 

[hashtag45]

Wow. Darbhinder, RobDownSouth and Disgustipated posting in quick succession.

Talk about creepy

 

[Disgustipated]

http://i.imgur.com/6vdStcf.jpg

 

[Que]

"Virtually all Hispanics" are here illegally?

Huh. I always assumed that some Hispanics have been in this country for generations. Some even before the place they inhabited was part of the Estados Unidos.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

*clicks link*

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Clinton and the Latino vote

The entire article is from a white liberal POV. The authors ASSUME that Latinos are a homogeneous voting bloc. Incapable of independent thought.

Here in New Mexico, the most Latin state in the union, over 60% of the Latin vote don't want the illegals here. They see the crime, the loss of jobs, and the erosion of wages. They are as effected as the black population in other parts of the nation.

But the authors assume that because they're Latin that they're all in favor of voting against their economic well being. So the authors apply pseudo-intellectual pretzel logic to make their point.

Ishmael

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.cgfhf586j

 

[Que]

What other starting point is there?



No shit? That's pretty much the definition of "life".




You sure about that?



What articles say? Your internet must work different than the rest of the world's.



The Inquirer is a recognized Pulitzer candidate. Try something from the last 20 years.



You're proven liar, there is no one left who cares your about your opines.

Aren't you dead yet?

Opines a verb, opinion is a noun. Also your LukCzech must be broken; it's spelled Enquirer.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Toubab's favorite poll:

Hillary Clinton is hemorrhaging support from the black and Hispanic voters she has been counting on to push her to victory with high turnout and support in the 90% range. The USC Dornsife/LA Times tracking poll, which tracks about 3000 eligible voters and weights averages over a week, and consequently has a lag time in reflecting trends, has uncovered a catastrophic collapse in minority support for Hillary.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...doning_her_in_latest_polls.html#ixzz4Ki4lZKZ9

Interesting graphs...

 

[RobDownSouth]

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.cgfhf586j

You've got almost all of Queerbait's Virtual Bro Cavalry in this thread

Mount your soapbox!
Howl at the moon!

EDUCATION BAD!
SCIENCE BAD!

 

[Disgustipated]

Opines a verb, opinion is a noun. Also your LukCzech must be broken; it's spelled Enquirer.

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Ishmael]

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.cgfhf586j

Remember this scene from Little Big Man?

Surrounded by Custer's.

Ishmael

 

[Wrong Element]

Seriously folks, when the democrats and their willing allies in the press have to fall back on the Obama 'birther' mantra, a mantra started be Hillary's campaign in 2008, and try to pin it on Trump..........

Oh, I get it now. You're an idiot.

 

[zipman]

Oh, I get it now. You're an idiot.

You're just getting that now?

There have been several different websites that all researched this issue and showed it didn't come from Hillary or her campaign but from a supporter.

But the RWCJ doesn't like facts - just emotions.

 

[Adre]

Oh, I get it now. You're an idiot.

It's what happens when Fox News and Box Wine are consumed in excess.

 

[Wrong Element]

You're just getting that now?

There have been several different websites that all researched this issue and showed it didn't come from Hillary or her campaign but from a supporter.

But the RWCJ doesn't like facts - just emotions.

Eh, I've been in on the secret for a while.

Who do they think they're trying to convince with this "Hillary was the original birther" stuff? If you're old enough to be on Lit, you're old enough to remember the 2008 campaign. It just didn't happen. And all you have to do is look at the people on Lit, then and more recently, who were pro-birther. So we're supposed to believe now that busybody was taking orders from Hillary? Pathetic.

Clinton and the Latino vote

The entire article is from a white liberal POV. The authors ASSUME that Latinos are a homogeneous voting bloc. Incapable of independent thought.

Here in New Mexico, the most Latin state in the union, over 60% of the Latin vote don't want the illegals here. They see the crime, the loss of jobs, and the erosion of wages. They are as effected as the black population in other parts of the nation.

But the authors assume that because they're Latin that they're all in favor of voting against their economic well being. So the authors apply pseudo-intellectual pretzel logic to make their point.

Ishmael

So Fat Donny is going to win New Mexico?

 

[Que]

Just stop, you're embarrassing me by bringing my idiocracy to light

Sorry Bro!

 

[Que]

Eh, I've been in on the secret for a while.

Who do they think they're trying to convince with this "Hillary was the original birther" stuff? If you're old enough to be on Lit, you're old enough to remember the 2008 campaign. It just didn't happen. And all you have to do is look at the people on Lit, then and more recently, who were pro-birther. So we're supposed to believe now that busybody was taking orders from Hillary? Pathetic.







So Fat Donny is going to win New Mexico?

No matter how often they Clinton apologists repeat the line that Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with the birther movement it doesn't suddenly become true. Her chief campaign strategist put it in memo form in 2007. There's a video in existence of Hillary coyly dodging the question about whether she thought Obama was a Christian or not. There are no records of Hillary denouncing the birther movement that her campaign started until after she had lost the primary. Don't forget the emnity to this day between the clintons and the Obamas because the clintons were clearly implying that Obama was not black enough.

Why is it the Democrats get to pull any dirty trick they want and say that it was just a random supporter, when it was actually from inside her campain, yet, the most loosely affiliated supporter, the Republican must immedely dienounce, whether he's even heard of the person or not?