Never before have I been sent on such a wild goose chase when I have sincerely asked for information as you have sent me on these past few weeks. A while ago, I asked for information on how to reach or find out information on “Jews for Justice in the Middle East”, the publishers of the document you keep quoting from, “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict.” My request was sincere – I truly did want to learn more about where this organization was coming from. I was at a loss as to who or what this organization was, as I could find absolutely no information on them.
When you sent me the link stating it was to their web page, I thought I would finally be able to thoroughly research this group. The link, rather than lead me to any “home page” of “Jews for Justice in the Middle East”, instead lead me to the personal web page of an American Christian couple living in the American Northeast who have a heavy bias/slant towards Palestine. Nothing on their web page is presented with balance or objectivity. It is simply their own personal stance, and nothing more. Yes, they do have a link to the document you keep purporting as truth. And in the document, where it states you can email the publishers, the address is to the founder of this personal website – not to any official organization.
I did read roughly 70% of their webpage – and found it to be biased, unbalanced, and slanted. That is not a problem. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But that is all it is – their opinion, along with some articles that only support their own viewpoint. Hardly a page worthy of citing as a valid source. Besides, this is a personal web page, and nothing more. I can do the same thing, should I choose. But it would still be my own personal web page, with my own opinions. If one agreed with me, then they would speak highly of it. If one disagreed, it would dismissed.
So far to date, I have searched the internet extensively for any word as to who the “Jews for Justice in the Middle East” is/are to no avail. I have searched through the resources at the local library. I have asked 3 rabbis. I have checked with my local Jewish Community Center. No one has heard of this group. Now, in all fairness, I have 2 last resources I am in the midst of contacting, and perhaps may receive an answer from one of these. But it ain’t lookin’ good.
When you stated that you could not find the Palestinian Charter, Cheyenne posted a link. You disputed that link because it was from a Jewish source. I located a link from a Palestinian source, and you summarily dismissed the whole document. (Yes, it is a notice of intent – notice of intent to get rid of Israel, as anyone can read for themselves) The point here is that when you asked for information, you received the information you requested. When you doubted the validity of that source, you were provided with one that would be more to your liking. Why are you not able to provide me with the same courtesy? Do you simply and blindly accept this document, “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict”, so easily because it fits in with your own personal opinion? Do you not research the source of any documentation presented to you? Somehow, I had given you more credit than merely accepting something on face value alone.
Now, why am I writing this on the board and not in a PM? Simple. Unless one of the last 2 remaining sources gives me some valid information, I must state that I believe the document you keep trotting out as absolute truth cannot be accepted as valid in any way other than personal opinion. The source for this document cannot be proved in any way as being a source of legitimate facts/research. As the PO address is in Berkeley, California, (and, yes, I do presume to write a letter to them at that address) I can easily assume this document has been created by a couple of college kids passing themselves off as a “group”. I simply do not know. And, so far, no reliable source is aware of who this “group” is, where they are from, what they believe, what they stand for.
Therefore, anytime you casually present this document to unsuspecting individuals here on the board, you can believe that I will follow it up with a disclaimer that the group who has “published” such document is an unreliable source of information, thereby placing the document’s validity into question.
Maybe next time, you can present truly valid, truly objective, truly provable sources for your information. I am very disappointed in you, ppman. I had expected more from you than this.
When you sent me the link stating it was to their web page, I thought I would finally be able to thoroughly research this group. The link, rather than lead me to any “home page” of “Jews for Justice in the Middle East”, instead lead me to the personal web page of an American Christian couple living in the American Northeast who have a heavy bias/slant towards Palestine. Nothing on their web page is presented with balance or objectivity. It is simply their own personal stance, and nothing more. Yes, they do have a link to the document you keep purporting as truth. And in the document, where it states you can email the publishers, the address is to the founder of this personal website – not to any official organization.
I did read roughly 70% of their webpage – and found it to be biased, unbalanced, and slanted. That is not a problem. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But that is all it is – their opinion, along with some articles that only support their own viewpoint. Hardly a page worthy of citing as a valid source. Besides, this is a personal web page, and nothing more. I can do the same thing, should I choose. But it would still be my own personal web page, with my own opinions. If one agreed with me, then they would speak highly of it. If one disagreed, it would dismissed.
So far to date, I have searched the internet extensively for any word as to who the “Jews for Justice in the Middle East” is/are to no avail. I have searched through the resources at the local library. I have asked 3 rabbis. I have checked with my local Jewish Community Center. No one has heard of this group. Now, in all fairness, I have 2 last resources I am in the midst of contacting, and perhaps may receive an answer from one of these. But it ain’t lookin’ good.
When you stated that you could not find the Palestinian Charter, Cheyenne posted a link. You disputed that link because it was from a Jewish source. I located a link from a Palestinian source, and you summarily dismissed the whole document. (Yes, it is a notice of intent – notice of intent to get rid of Israel, as anyone can read for themselves) The point here is that when you asked for information, you received the information you requested. When you doubted the validity of that source, you were provided with one that would be more to your liking. Why are you not able to provide me with the same courtesy? Do you simply and blindly accept this document, “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict”, so easily because it fits in with your own personal opinion? Do you not research the source of any documentation presented to you? Somehow, I had given you more credit than merely accepting something on face value alone.
Now, why am I writing this on the board and not in a PM? Simple. Unless one of the last 2 remaining sources gives me some valid information, I must state that I believe the document you keep trotting out as absolute truth cannot be accepted as valid in any way other than personal opinion. The source for this document cannot be proved in any way as being a source of legitimate facts/research. As the PO address is in Berkeley, California, (and, yes, I do presume to write a letter to them at that address) I can easily assume this document has been created by a couple of college kids passing themselves off as a “group”. I simply do not know. And, so far, no reliable source is aware of who this “group” is, where they are from, what they believe, what they stand for.
Therefore, anytime you casually present this document to unsuspecting individuals here on the board, you can believe that I will follow it up with a disclaimer that the group who has “published” such document is an unreliable source of information, thereby placing the document’s validity into question.
Maybe next time, you can present truly valid, truly objective, truly provable sources for your information. I am very disappointed in you, ppman. I had expected more from you than this.
