Positive Vibrations

The General Tone - And Some Feedback for Marquis's Reply

Nope, I don't take offense at your stating your position and rationale. I said what I felt, and everyone else here has the same opportunity.

But I do believe that there is an unstated, three-tier ranking of those who wander in here:

The "100-post--day" group you allude to, who are also mostly the "in the flesh is real, online is fake" group and the "even here, we know who we are" group.

Then there are the truly new ones who come here seeking information and encouragement. These folks are treated civilly and respectfully for the most part, if they're intelligent and respectful, themselves.

Then there's the third group. Those who know enough to not be new or uninformed, but who don't make the "real enough" bar to be considered seriously or even given much consideration in the eyes of the first group. Some of the people in this group move up to the first group - or they go away.


The real question is if the first group cares about those who go away, or those who are not going to be the inveterate, regular and frequent posters who form close personal relationships with the other people here. Some people do. More, I believe, do not. And that's what I was trying to say.

And I do think that there is a higher standard for Mods than there is for the rest of us. You set the tone and the unspoken rules of conduct and what is considered fair and what isn't. So sarcastic and offhand comments from you carry more weight than for most. That's part of the responsibility that comes with leadership and part of what you step up to when you accept the often thankless job of herding a group of sometimes unruly cats.

I wasn't trying to say anything in particular about the person you were replying to in the post i quoted. In that context, with that person, it may have been perfectly appropriate. But it wasn't a private conversation and, like it or not, what you write is read by a great many people, who hear both what is said - and how it is said. And that is part of what sets the tone for the environment here.


What's stopping you from posting 100 posts a day until you get the attention of other newbies, and probably a few established posters and you form your own bigger clique. Then we will be the little league clique and you guys can be the popular crowd! Do you think those of us you are complaining about would care that you did this? We are not so insecure.

Aside from all that, I don't pretend to be the stereotypical picture perfect mod, but I have never intentionally made a newbie feel unwelcome. I don't even flame Sir Quam! In fact, I do answer every PM I am sent by newbies looking to put their feelers out for this forum, and I get more than you might think.

If there are so many others that feel the way you do, where are they? Why don't you guys start your own positive vibes thread and ask that we not post in it? Or better yet, why don't you get involved in the forum, ask questions and start provocative discussion topics?

I presume you're being sarcastic again when you suggest pumping out 100 posts a day and making a bigger clique. And I kinow that the inisde group is pretty confy here. That's a natural evolution in this realm. But that isn't what we should aspire to be.

It all depends on what you want the forum to be. This one is better than many, but not nearly as good as it could be.


Sin.


Should I have busted in here in this thread raising the question I did? Perhaps not. But I would bet that a separate thread on the subject would have sunk like a stone. I've said what I wanted to, and I hope I didn't create too much of a ripple in the continuum by doing so. So no more from me on the subject.

We return you now to your regularly scheduled program... ;)
 
Singularity said:
Nope, I don't take offense at your stating your position and rationale. I said what I felt, and everyone else here has the same opportunity.

But I do believe that there is an unstated, three-tier ranking of those who wander in here:

The "100-post--day" group you allude to, who are also mostly the "in the flesh is real, online is fake" group and the "even here, we know who we are" group.

Then there are the truly new ones who come here seeking information and encouragement. These folks are treated civilly and respectfully for the most part, if they're intelligent and respectful, themselves.

Then there's the third group. Those who know enough to not be new or uninformed, but who don't make the "real enough" bar to be considered seriously or even given much consideration in the eyes of the first group. Some of the people in this group move up to the first group - or they go away.


The real question is if the first group cares about those who go away, or those who are not going to be the inveterate, regular and frequent posters who form close personal relationships with the other people here. Some people do. More, I believe, do not. And that's what I was trying to say.

And I do think that there is a higher standard for Mods than there is for the rest of us. You set the tone and the unspoken rules of conduct and what is considered fair and what isn't. So sarcastic and offhand comments from you carry more weight than for most. That's part of the responsibility that comes with leadership and part of what you step up to when you accept the often thankless job of herding a group of sometimes unruly cats.

I wasn't trying to say anything in particular about the person you were replying to in the post i quoted. In that context, with that person, it may have been perfectly appropriate. But it wasn't a private conversation and, like it or not, what you write is read by a great many people, who hear both what is said - and how it is said. And that is part of what sets the tone for the environment here.




I presume you're being sarcastic again when you suggest pumping out 100 posts a day and making a bigger clique. And I kinow that the inisde group is pretty confy here. That's a natural evolution in this realm. But that isn't what we should aspire to be.

It all depends on what you want the forum to be. This one is better than many, but not nearly as good as it could be.


Sin.


Should I have busted in here in this thread raising the question I did? Perhaps not. But I would bet that a separate thread on the subject would have sunk like a stone. I've said what I wanted to, and I hope I didn't create too much of a ripple in the continuum by doing so. So no more from me on the subject.

We return you now to your regularly scheduled program... ;)


(Punjabi accent)

Thank you, come again!
 
OK then, I must be in no group as I don't think I have any personal friends on the board these days, though I am online friends in the context of this forum with many. That means we communicate solely through the posts, rarely in PM unless there is something needing discussion, and never face to face. Regardless though, there are people here I would trust more than some I do know in everyday RL, and many who know more about me and my life than those RL friends. I keep hearing this perception of cliques and groups and as a mod who has been here since 2002 I am either seriously missing something or others are seeing friendship between people on the board as something quantifying cliquishness. I just see it as like minds meeting other like minds, personalities finding they blend well and form friendships, and community which I think is good for a forum as opposed to a bunch of strangers keeping each other at arm's length.

As to mods being above the rest.....I have been vocal on my view of that often and if it has been missed, I am not into class systems or judgements of people being placed on or pulled off pedestals....much prefer equality, valuing people for themselves, and being seen as one of many, not 'the one above'. Mods are simply put, people who post in the forum, are just as human as the rest, have no special abilities which make us better, make gaffs in life like anyone else, are on their own journey, but who also accept responsibility for moving the odd SPAM or misplaced thread and answering questions about where to find things, how to do xyz on the forums, etc. That being said, just like anyone on the forum, if I see someone come here and try and cause disruption, or post many contradictory posts (especially if people who are less experienced could be harmed by taking their advice as gospel), I will say something but that is unrelated to my mod duties and I did it well before being asked to mod.

Catalina :rose:
 
Oh God, I hope no one is scrutinizing my posts because a few people posted that they think I'm cool based on my posts. Gad.


I never said to try anything at home! Take your vitamins and pills! Netz sez wear your rubbers and eat your veggies!
 
catalina_francisco said:
OK then, I must be in no group as I don't think I have any personal friends on the board these days

Heh. I actually like you, even though everytime you reply to me it pisses me off, hahaha... I like you because you are very straightforward, just like me. I appreciate someone who'll be 100% straight with me 100% of the time, even if most of those times it lights me up... it always makes me think.
 
Etoile said:
ooh, you've got one of those files too? nice to know I'm not the only one who does that.

Not literally. Figuratively. In the back of my head and all.
 
I must not fit into any group either. I am about as real as you can get online. Perhaps those who see me every day IRL might know more about my idiosyncrasies, but other than that what you see really is what you get with me - I promise. I don't know why I am this way, and I imagine it could come back to bite me in the ass someday (probably pretty hard) but I just don't know how to be any other way. I believe we are all learning every day, but I don't really think I am new or uninformed around here - I've certainly not felt that way for some time now. So I'm not a newbie, but I am hyper-real, and therefore not in the third group either.

Which, if it puts me in the misfits category, is just fine by me. I like it here. If Catalina's here too, then I'm in good company.

Oh, and for friends - yes, I have friends here, of course. I usually assume every new name I see is going to stick around (except for trolls) and while true friendships are fewer, I have many people I consider more than just friendly acquaintances. I have only met one Litster in person, though. (Hi osg!)
 
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Regarding mods being held to a higher standard - yes, I think we are. That's not really up to us though. We may not want it, we may not think it's appropriate, but the rest of the community does seem to look at us that way.

Marquis and I have had exchanges about this. His style used to really grate on me, but I've come to tolerate it. I do think that because mods are seen as leaders, we should live up to it. Whether it's right or not isn't for us to say, as I said, but I do think we should try to be on somewhat sane behavior when possible. I definitely try to be exemplary when I'm on GLBT Chatter (the section I moderate) but I also have a sticky over there about the role of moderators, pointing out that we have a right to express our opinions too.

Everybody has a slightly different posting style, and so too do all moderators have a different approach to fulfilling their role. This is mine.
 
Kajira Callista said:
do ya think we should try to scare it to get rid of the hiccups?

Haha. I wanted to drive ppl crazy with it, apparently I've done decently.
 
jasonlf said:
Haha. I wanted to drive ppl crazy with it, apparently I've done decently.

On this board, my friend, you don't have to *drive* people crazy... for the most part, all it takes is a putt, or at most a short chipshot.
 
jasonlf said:
Heh. I actually like you, even though everytime you reply to me it pisses me off, hahaha... I like you because you are very straightforward, just like me. I appreciate someone who'll be 100% straight with me 100% of the time, even if most of those times it lights me up... it always makes me think.


LOL, chill...I meant it as in knowing them face to face. In part it is not true as I have met Anelize and adore her but these days she is not here often as in posting, and those others I met at the same time also do not post often or at all anymore. So though I adore some here, like others, and are getting to know more through their posting and stories, I don't know anyone right now face to face....but hope to change it again sooner rather than later. :catroar:

Catalina :rose:
 
Aeroil said:
*flies by to return it*
...don't tell her.....


I won't have to, she watches your every move :catgrin:

ANd why is there a bit of the cookie missing?????
 
snowy ciara said:
And as always... The subbie mafia makes me laugh, makes me cry, and keeps me from going postal on a regular basis.

Bronntanas is literally the biggest boy scout/cabana boy/Don Quixote I know. Plus, he looks equally sexy in a kilt or shreds of his swim trunks. Don't ever change, please. I need to know guys like you are rescuing damsels in distress and kittens out there somewhere.


Thanks Lil Bit. I'll try not to change too much. The past few months have been a big pain in the ass, and made me re-think some of my boyscout ways.

Gracie said:
Bluekat: If I was gay or bi, I'd SO want her as my domme.

Ditto. She's good, very good. She's having a few issues right now, and needs all our good thoughts and energy and stuff like that.
 
shy slave said:
I won't have to, she watches your every move :catgrin:

ANd why is there a bit of the cookie missing?????
Yes but If I let her see it then I can sugarcoat it instead of you, cuz you'll make me look all evil.

And, umm, It broke off, I had to go into a giant dive to snatch it back up before it hit the ground, it was brilliant, really.
 
Marquis said:
(Punjabi accent)

Thank you, come again!

*raises brow*
ridiculously rude, after the respect she showed you by not calling you an outright fuckwit.
her post was detailed enough that it deserved certainly more than your patronising attempt at humour.

also, since this is positive vibes and so on

rosco rathbone is rather grand. funny and clever.
xelebes is quirky.
i've read some of netzach (sp?)...always mentally stimulating posts
as with pure.

ugh, mush
*vomit*
 
bg23 said:
*raises brow*
ridiculously rude, after the respect she showed you by not calling you an outright fuckwit.
her post was detailed enough that it deserved certainly more than your patronising attempt at humour.

also, since this is positive vibes and so on

rosco rathbone is rather grand. funny and clever.
xelebes is quirky.
i've read some of netzach (sp?)...always mentally stimulating posts
as with pure.

ugh, mush
*vomit*


The boy's behavior is downright shameful.

Although I must say, I too have read some of that Netzach woman and I don't agree with you at all. Selfish creature that she is, although I believe that is a trait of her people.
 
Sir Quam said:
The boy's behavior is downright shameful.

Although I must say, I too have read some of that Netzach woman and I don't agree with you at all. Selfish creature that she is, although I believe that is a trait of her people.

*raises eyebrow*

And of what people do you speak of? :confused:
 
astralkiss said:
*raises eyebrow*

And of what people do you speak of? :confused:


Why, those descendants of Abraham who have yet to accept Christ as the Messiah of course. Menachem Schneerson, and the bunch.
 
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