Singularity
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- Mar 31, 2002
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The General Tone - And Some Feedback for Marquis's Reply
Nope, I don't take offense at your stating your position and rationale. I said what I felt, and everyone else here has the same opportunity.
But I do believe that there is an unstated, three-tier ranking of those who wander in here:
The "100-post--day" group you allude to, who are also mostly the "in the flesh is real, online is fake" group and the "even here, we know who we are" group.
Then there are the truly new ones who come here seeking information and encouragement. These folks are treated civilly and respectfully for the most part, if they're intelligent and respectful, themselves.
Then there's the third group. Those who know enough to not be new or uninformed, but who don't make the "real enough" bar to be considered seriously or even given much consideration in the eyes of the first group. Some of the people in this group move up to the first group - or they go away.
The real question is if the first group cares about those who go away, or those who are not going to be the inveterate, regular and frequent posters who form close personal relationships with the other people here. Some people do. More, I believe, do not. And that's what I was trying to say.
And I do think that there is a higher standard for Mods than there is for the rest of us. You set the tone and the unspoken rules of conduct and what is considered fair and what isn't. So sarcastic and offhand comments from you carry more weight than for most. That's part of the responsibility that comes with leadership and part of what you step up to when you accept the often thankless job of herding a group of sometimes unruly cats.
I wasn't trying to say anything in particular about the person you were replying to in the post i quoted. In that context, with that person, it may have been perfectly appropriate. But it wasn't a private conversation and, like it or not, what you write is read by a great many people, who hear both what is said - and how it is said. And that is part of what sets the tone for the environment here.
I presume you're being sarcastic again when you suggest pumping out 100 posts a day and making a bigger clique. And I kinow that the inisde group is pretty confy here. That's a natural evolution in this realm. But that isn't what we should aspire to be.
It all depends on what you want the forum to be. This one is better than many, but not nearly as good as it could be.
Sin.
Should I have busted in here in this thread raising the question I did? Perhaps not. But I would bet that a separate thread on the subject would have sunk like a stone. I've said what I wanted to, and I hope I didn't create too much of a ripple in the continuum by doing so. So no more from me on the subject.
We return you now to your regularly scheduled program...
Nope, I don't take offense at your stating your position and rationale. I said what I felt, and everyone else here has the same opportunity.
But I do believe that there is an unstated, three-tier ranking of those who wander in here:
The "100-post--day" group you allude to, who are also mostly the "in the flesh is real, online is fake" group and the "even here, we know who we are" group.
Then there are the truly new ones who come here seeking information and encouragement. These folks are treated civilly and respectfully for the most part, if they're intelligent and respectful, themselves.
Then there's the third group. Those who know enough to not be new or uninformed, but who don't make the "real enough" bar to be considered seriously or even given much consideration in the eyes of the first group. Some of the people in this group move up to the first group - or they go away.
The real question is if the first group cares about those who go away, or those who are not going to be the inveterate, regular and frequent posters who form close personal relationships with the other people here. Some people do. More, I believe, do not. And that's what I was trying to say.
And I do think that there is a higher standard for Mods than there is for the rest of us. You set the tone and the unspoken rules of conduct and what is considered fair and what isn't. So sarcastic and offhand comments from you carry more weight than for most. That's part of the responsibility that comes with leadership and part of what you step up to when you accept the often thankless job of herding a group of sometimes unruly cats.
I wasn't trying to say anything in particular about the person you were replying to in the post i quoted. In that context, with that person, it may have been perfectly appropriate. But it wasn't a private conversation and, like it or not, what you write is read by a great many people, who hear both what is said - and how it is said. And that is part of what sets the tone for the environment here.
What's stopping you from posting 100 posts a day until you get the attention of other newbies, and probably a few established posters and you form your own bigger clique. Then we will be the little league clique and you guys can be the popular crowd! Do you think those of us you are complaining about would care that you did this? We are not so insecure.
Aside from all that, I don't pretend to be the stereotypical picture perfect mod, but I have never intentionally made a newbie feel unwelcome. I don't even flame Sir Quam! In fact, I do answer every PM I am sent by newbies looking to put their feelers out for this forum, and I get more than you might think.
If there are so many others that feel the way you do, where are they? Why don't you guys start your own positive vibes thread and ask that we not post in it? Or better yet, why don't you get involved in the forum, ask questions and start provocative discussion topics?
I presume you're being sarcastic again when you suggest pumping out 100 posts a day and making a bigger clique. And I kinow that the inisde group is pretty confy here. That's a natural evolution in this realm. But that isn't what we should aspire to be.
It all depends on what you want the forum to be. This one is better than many, but not nearly as good as it could be.
Sin.
Should I have busted in here in this thread raising the question I did? Perhaps not. But I would bet that a separate thread on the subject would have sunk like a stone. I've said what I wanted to, and I hope I didn't create too much of a ripple in the continuum by doing so. So no more from me on the subject.
We return you now to your regularly scheduled program...
