Politics and Erotics....

[sparc101]

Is there any relationship to enjoying and posting on this website and your political affiliation? Which way do you lean? Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.? Why do you lean one way or another? What political areas are BIG issues for you?

 

[artistgonewyld]

Is there any relationship to enjoying and posting on this website and your political affiliation? Which way do you lean? Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.? Why do you lean one way or another? What political areas are BIG issues for you?

I am a strong Libertarian. Which, for those who don't know, has nothing to do with liberal.

In a sense, I believe in limited anarchy.

Now, choosing between Dems and Rebs, it's hard but I'll take the Rebs.

I can't support socialism in any form and the Dems have become complete socialists. Social independence is big for me. As for many other areas, but that is #1.

My thoughts anyway. BTW, I love politics.

 

[sparc101]

I hear ya! I would have to agree to some extent. I seem to have a lot of overlap on the different parties...probably includes the libertarians too.

But, if you go down the list ..issue by issue, I tend more to dem side... but that is not what I am registered as...lol

The war pissed me off at the "rebs". Totally stupid in my opinion.. that s another discussion.

But here I sit.. kind of a closet literotica guy... enjoying the pics...lol
Thanks for your reply

 

[artistgonewyld]

I hear ya! I would have to agree to some extent. I seem to have a lot of overlap on the different parties...probably includes the libertarians too.

But, if you go down the list ..issue by issue, I tend more to dem side... but that is not what I am registered as...lol

The war pissed me off at the "rebs". Totally stupid in my opinion.. that s another discussion.

But here I sit.. kind of a closet literotica guy... enjoying the pics...lol
Thanks for your reply

Don't get me wrong, the war pisses me off too. But i don't think we can just walk away like many national Dems want to do. We, the US military, need to scheme and plan better. We, as a country, need to make sure our voices are heard more clearly. Also, a war is not enough to make me become more of a socialist. I like several Dems and their personalities but I just can't support their beliefs. Also, I disagree with many Rebs. But if I have to choose, at least the Rebs talk about individualism and civil liberty.

I enjoy the banter. Anytime.

 

[Lorali82]

Link stolen from the GB:

How liberal or conservative are you?

*I'm mostly liberal except when it comes to defense and crime according to this thing, which I would say is probably true.

 

[artistgonewyld]

Link stolen from the GB:

How liberal or conservative are you?

*I'm mostly liberal except when it comes to defense and crime according to this thing, which I would say is probably true.

I like the link. Here is what it said about me:

Your Political Profile:
Overall: 65% Conservative, 35% Liberal
Social Issues: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal



Althought the questions were very vanilla and by no means am I liberal when it comes to social issues, but there questions in that area were very limited. But still, very cool.

 

[sparc101]

Very cool.. I'll check it out later tonight. Thanks for the link.

 

[SensualMan_in_PA]

Is there any relationship to enjoying and posting on this website and your political affiliation? Which way do you lean? Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.? Why do you lean one way or another? What political areas are BIG issues for you?

I am also a Libertarian. That means the government should stay out of my wallet, gun locker, humidor, liquor cabinet and bedroom! There's not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans as they both voted themselves a huge pay raise in PA last year. It's all about greed & power for the two major parties.

Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

 

[monique1971]

I don't there's any relationship between my interest in this board and my political beliefs. As for the specifics of what those beliefs are, I find myself curiously reluctant to say. I have so many people in my real life with whom I can, and do, discuss politics. But so few people (er, none) with whom I can discuss sex! So that is mostly what I discuss here, although I'm not averse to weighing in on other issues.

 

[hotwetcouple24]

at least the Rebs talk about individualism and civil liberty.

I'm a libertarian too, but this statement is just fucking hilarious, given the republicans these days.

 

[osa23]

politics enslave -

the two party-system has become an illusion --

designed to distract and enslave the mind into believing these men and women of power actually gives two shits about any of us.....

the only politics that matters would be the politics of knowing thyself deeply and truly, without flinching and with an enduring courage to go further than yesterday and further than tomorrow...


Osa -

 

[artistgonewyld]

I'm a libertarian too, but this statement is just fucking hilarious, given the republicans these days.

Notice I said Talk about. LOL. Most modern Rebs are just as soicialist as the Dems, I agree, but at least they try to placate people. LOL.

Unfortunately, despite great efforts, the two party system is STILL in power and we (Americans) must pick the better of the two people running in major elections, like a presidential election. Because of this lack of Libertarian ppower in presidentail elections, many feel it necessary to vote Reb or Dem. I think most Liberarians will follow the Rebs because of socialist issues. Like I said, at least they placate us.

JMHO

 

[artistgonewyld]

I don't there's any relationship between my interest in this board and my political beliefs. As for the specifics of what those beliefs are, I find myself curiously reluctant to say. I have so many people in my real life with whom I can, and do, discuss politics. But so few people (er, none) with whom I can discuss sex! So that is mostly what I discuss here, although I'm not averse to weighing in on other issues.

I'm betting we can make the two connect. WOOOHOOO. Hi sweetie.

 

[artistgonewyld]

the two party-system has become an illusion -- designed to distract and enslave the mind into believing these men and women of power actually gives two shits about any of us..... the only politics that matters would be the politics of knowing thyself deeply and truly, without flinching and with an enduring courage to go further than yesterday and further than tomorrow.

Unfortunately, that's not always enough. When we are losing our freedoms more and more everyday, somebody must step up. We must build a citizen government where our freedoms aren't ignored or destroyed. Everytime a singe freedom is infringed a new link is added to the chain. So we will all be chained down. We must fight for freedom.

That involves politics.

 

[SensualMan_in_PA]

Unfortunately, that's not always enough. When we are losing our freedoms more and more everyday, somebody must step up. We must build a citizen government where our freedoms aren't ignored or destroyed. Everytime a singe freedom is infringed a new link is added to the chain. So we will all be chained down. We must fight for freedom.

That involves politics.

Anymore "freedom" means the ability to choose your cell phone plan. But what are we to expect when most Americans are more concerned with football than freedom, "Survivor" than surviving?

 

[siddhartha757]

Another Libertarian right here.

 

[woxyroxme]

Proud member of the Libertarian Party since 1991.

 

[artistgonewyld]

Anymore "freedom" means the ability to choose your cell phone plan. But what are we to expect when most Americans are more concerned with football than freedom, "Survivor" than surviving?

I totally agree. If you read ee cummings' poem "next to of course god america i," you'll see the same sentiment. American's are driven by exterior beauty (TVs - cars - houses - clothes - shoes) and not by what is important. We are at war right now and most American's live their lives as if it wasn't happening.

Freedom is simply a political word nowadays. Ask someone if they'll die for freedom, most of the time the answer will be no.

What have we become?

 

[sparc101]

When I hear "I support the troops" I always have to wonder how they do it. I mean, are they sending money? gifts? knitting socks? cutting back on fuel usage?

I never supported it.. I am not for a preemptive war....

 

[jazzerbear]

Silly

It’s silly for me to interject my political opinions on a site focused on the erotic…. but here I go anyway. First, the poll asks about party affiliation but the thread starter talks about: “Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.?” These issues are related, but distantly. I have been involved with politics for more years than I want to remember… and while I am strongly aligned with the Dems these days (and in general, always have been) I did work for a Republican (John Anderson) when he was a candidate for the party nomination. I was a social liberal then as I am now; it didn’t really matter (much) that he was a Republican. Jumping to another theme in this thread… the conflation of Socialism and Totalitarianism. Socialism is an organizing concept. The social values (many of the “freedoms” identified so far in this thread) are not inherently supported or denied by the socialism. The old USSR would not look very liberal to most on this board but Denmark does even though Denmark has “socialistic” programs that would make some of you turn gray. It is ironic this topic comes up on a board that relies on a “collective” that is the internet and the content is most strongly defended by the Ds (yes, yes, I well know there are embarrassing exceptions). I will cut to the chase: the Libertarian Party will never be a viable. It is a side show that keeps some other wise well intended and thoughtful people from having any impact in the real world. The Republican Party has been taken over by the odd bed fellows of (sorta) Christian Fundamentalist and a particular strain of Capitalists (asocial imperialist). The Greens are having some impact in some areas of the country but, at the end of the day, it’s the disorganized gaggle that collectively makes up the Democratic Party that (for now) best defends (imperfectly) our rights and freedoms…… Our democracy will always be messy and those who live on the fringes of social norms will always feel (and be) threatened by the majority. That’s the math. What saves us is a brilliant constitution that respects diversity and the individual. Thank you Jefferson, Madison and…..

 

[monique1971]

It’s silly for me to interject my political opinions on a site focused on the erotic…. but here I go anyway. First, the poll asks about party affiliation but the thread starter talks about: “Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.?” These issues are related, but distantly. I have been involved with politics for more years than I want to remember… and while I am strongly aligned with the Dems these days (and in general, always have been) I did work for a Republican (John Anderson) when he was a candidate for the party nomination. I was a social liberal then as I am now; it didn’t really matter (much) that he was a Republican. Jumping to another theme in this thread… the conflation of Socialism and Totalitarianism. Socialism is an organizing concept. The social values (many of the “freedoms” identified so far in this thread) are not inherently supported or denied by the socialism. The old USSR would not look very liberal to most on this board but Denmark does even though Denmark has “socialistic” programs that would make some of you turn gray. It is ironic this topic comes up on a board that relies on a “collective” that is the internet and the content is most strongly defended by the Ds (yes, yes, I well know there are embarrassing exceptions). I will cut to the chase: the Libertarian Party will never be a viable. It is a side show that keeps some other wise well intended and thoughtful people from having any impact in the real world. The Republican Party has been taken over by the odd bed fellows of (sorta) Christian Fundamentalist and a particular strain of Capitalists (asocial imperialist). The Greens are having some impact in some areas of the country but, at the end of the day, it’s the disorganized gaggle that collectively makes up the Democratic Party that (for now) best defends (imperfectly) our rights and freedoms…… Our democracy will always be messy and those who live on the fringes of social norms will always feel (and be) threatened by the majority. That’s the math. What saves us is a brilliant constitution that respects diversity and the individual. Thank you Jefferson, Madison and…..

Hey, Jefferson didn't write the Constitution. However, I think you make some good points.

 

[jazzerbear]

Hey, Jefferson didn't write the Constitution. However, I think you make some good points.

monique1971, Please forgive me, I was sloppy in my writing and Madison deserves better. I’m just big on Jefferson and much of what he had to say about freedom and individual rights (oh God that could open up a whole new thread). Anyway, he had such an influence on the thinking at the time (“Jeffersonian Democracy”) that if I drop his name in…… OK OK it was sloppy.

 

[artistgonewyld]

It’s silly for me to interject my political opinions on a site focused on the erotic…. but here I go anyway. First, the poll asks about party affiliation but the thread starter talks about: “Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.?” These issues are related, but distantly. I have been involved with politics for more years than I want to remember… and while I am strongly aligned with the Dems these days (and in general, always have been) I did work for a Republican (John Anderson) when he was a candidate for the party nomination. I was a social liberal then as I am now; it didn’t really matter (much) that he was a Republican. Jumping to another theme in this thread… the conflation of Socialism and Totalitarianism. Socialism is an organizing concept. The social values (many of the “freedoms” identified so far in this thread) are not inherently supported or denied by the socialism. The old USSR would not look very liberal to most on this board but Denmark does even though Denmark has “socialistic” programs that would make some of you turn gray. It is ironic this topic comes up on a board that relies on a “collective” that is the internet and the content is most strongly defended by the Ds (yes, yes, I well know there are embarrassing exceptions). I will cut to the chase: the Libertarian Party will never be a viable. It is a side show that keeps some other wise well intended and thoughtful people from having any impact in the real world. The Republican Party has been taken over by the odd bed fellows of (sorta) Christian Fundamentalist and a particular strain of Capitalists (asocial imperialist). The Greens are having some impact in some areas of the country but, at the end of the day, it’s the disorganized gaggle that collectively makes up the Democratic Party that (for now) best defends (imperfectly) our rights and freedoms…… Our democracy will always be messy and those who live on the fringes of social norms will always feel (and be) threatened by the majority. That’s the math. What saves us is a brilliant constitution that respects diversity and the individual. Thank you Jefferson, Madison and…..

Unfortunately, we do not live in a democracy--we live in a republic. A republic is when people elect someone to be their voice. A democracy is when every person has a voice on every issue. Despite ignorance in the media and in our politicians, we do not live in a democracy. Also, as a Jeffersonion, I totally disagree with your concepts. I too have been heavily involved in politics on both the personal level and the career level. Jefferson wanted individual rights and opposed the formation of the Senate that wasn't even (originally) elected by the populace and wasn't measured and controlled by the people. I do not believe a lot of people were confused about liberalism or socialism. Communism is not socialism--they are entirely different beasts, so the USSR not seeming liberal is a non-point. Many of the socialistic countries around the world would make anyone's hair turn gray and they are incredibly liberal in the sense that the individuals lack freedom and choice. Having said that, America is already largely socialistic too. Just look around.

The Libertarian Party gives a choice to people who do believe in the Jeffersonion ideas of freedom and individuality. The Green Part gives a stronger voice to radical social concepts.

I have been linked to the Rebs for most of my life, for one reason or another, but I see the Liberatarians as actually giving America an option. The Rebs and Dems have many different opinions but they are far too similar in too many aspects. The Libertarian's push civil liberties and individual rights. The concept of equality. The constitution, which states we are a republic, stresses individuality too. To infringe on civil liberties is wrong and both of the major parties do just that. Now you can discuss semantics of word choice all you want but there are millions of people in this country who do not want the Federal or State governments in their lives in any real way. We, many of us, believe that this should actually be a citizen govt. You say the Dems are our best shot at defending our rights and freedoms but they want to control the country from Washington and every state capital building--bureaucracy and legislation and a perpetual loss of what remains of our liberties. They are in no way a supportive group of the individual. The Rebs aren't much better but at least they do placate.

Therefore, the Libertarian Party is not a side show. We believe in the Jeffersonian concepts of the individual. Study your federalists vs anti-federalists papers.

 

[sparc101]

It’s silly for me to interject my political opinions on a site focused on the erotic…. but here I go anyway. First, the poll asks about party affiliation but the thread starter talks about: “Are you conservative, liberal, middle of the road, etc.?” These issues are related, but distantly. …..

Hi jazzerbear. I actually started the thread as did I create the poll. And I did so, probably more to see what sore of reaction we get on an erotic site as this. you mention "these issues are related, but distantly", I guess I think they are more closely related. In any event, its kind of fun to see how others reply. I view many Republicans as being a bit hypocritcal, as has been demonstrated over and over these past few years. And I will also think there are many Dems with similar hypocracy. There really is no science that went into my thoughts on this thread.

Anyway, I didn't really say much but thanks for your thoughts. I like to read Monique's threads. I miss your avatar or what ever it is called. You are cute and you have a REAL head on your shoulders...

 

[jazzerbear]

Unfortunately, we do not live in a democracy--we live in a republic. A republic is when people elect someone to be their voice. A democracy is when every person has a voice on every issue. Despite ignorance in the media and in our politicians, we do not live in a democracy. Also, as a Jeffersonion, I totally disagree with your concepts. I too have been heavily involved in politics on both the personal level and the career level. Jefferson wanted individual rights and opposed the formation of the Senate that wasn't even (originally) elected by the populace and wasn't measured and controlled by the people. I do not believe a lot of people were confused about liberalism or socialism. Communism is not socialism--they are entirely different beasts, so the USSR not seeming liberal is a non-point. Many of the socialistic countries around the world would make anyone's hair turn gray and they are incredibly liberal in the sense that the individuals lack freedom and choice. Having said that, America is already largely socialistic too. Just look around.

The Libertarian Party gives a choice to people who do believe in the Jeffersonion ideas of freedom and individuality. The Green Part gives a stronger voice to radical social concepts.

I have been linked to the Rebs for most of my life, for one reason or another, but I see the Liberatarians as actually giving America an option. The Rebs and Dems have many different opinions but they are far too similar in too many aspects. The Libertarian's push civil liberties and individual rights. The concept of equality. The constitution, which states we are a republic, stresses individuality too. To infringe on civil liberties is wrong and both of the major parties do just that. Now you can discuss semantics of word choice all you want but there are millions of people in this country who do not want the Federal or State governments in their lives in any real way. We, many of us, believe that this should actually be a citizen govt. You say the Dems are our best shot at defending our rights and freedoms but they want to control the country from Washington and every state capital building--bureaucracy and legislation and a perpetual loss of what remains of our liberties. They are in no way a supportive group of the individual. The Rebs aren't much better but at least they do placate.

Therefore, the Libertarian Party is not a side show. We believe in the Jeffersonian concepts of the individual. Study your federalists vs anti-federalists papers.

Artist…. I’m not your enemy… if you want to be a Libertarian, more power to ya. We have different experiences that lead us to different conclusions. My experience tells me the folks writing the laws don’t worry much about what the Libertarian Party has to say about anything. That may not be good or fair but until the Libertarian Party gains more support from the average Joe or Jane, that’s the way it will be. Members of both major parties see the need to restrict personal rights and, conversely, defend them. The difference is which rights go on which list. I favor the Dems list. You have an interesting take on the Green Party; maybe the difference in our impressions is regional. The Greens in the Northwest are first and foremost environmentalist and don’t put much energy into Constitutional theory. The USSR….. as with Democrats (democracy) “Communist” refers to the dominate (only?) party and to the political system (communism) that is a derivation ("Marxism-Leninism") of socialism. A clip from Wikipedia: “Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production. It can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement”. Democracy vs. republic…. Yes we are a republic and not a “direct democracy” but we select our representatives through a (modified) democratic process. Hey it’s a compromise, a compromise that Jefferson was willing to go along with. I can live with that. Jefferson, Madison, Adams and (insert your hero here) differed on any number of issues but they found a way to launch and guide this experiment with amazing results. None of the Founding Fathers had control of the process and while I favor Jefferson’s vision, at the end of the day a blend of concepts has worked pretty well. Now…. Back to sex; I think Lustweaver will have time to post another GB experience tonight. I have passion for politics… but when it comes to Lustweaver…. Now there’s a passion

Ps. Artist, if you want to continue the debate, pm me