Political Blurt

[Guest]

For quick, pithy statements on the political scene (not just the US political scene).

"I still favor the traditional system where rich people run the country and convince the morons who live here that the voters are really the ones in charge. It’s not a perfect system, but no one has come up with a better one. And it’s fair in the sense that anyone could become rich and abuse the poor."--Scott Adams , creator of Dilbert.

 

[eric shawn listo]

I think i'm gonna Jerk off tod.....sorry, political thread.

 

[chris 44]

I think i'm gonna Jerk off tod.....sorry, political thread.

Jerk - offs ?
Politics is full of 'em...

 

[eric shawn listo]

Jerk - offs ?
Politics is full of 'em...

They are major self-lovers aren't they?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

"We'd all like to vote for the best man but he's never a candidate." Kim Hubbard

 

[zeb1094]

If government were a corporation the stockholders would have revolted and kicked out the the chairman and the board of directors by now. Actually, they would have done that 10 years, no 20 years, no 50 years. Crap I guess we would have been an anarchist state by now.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

I'm just waiting for a candidate who will get up and say "I'm in this for the babes and free jet for 4 years. But I'll lower your taxes and not go to war in the process".

That candidate gets my vote.

Or anyone willing to institute a flat tax rate. Doing your civic duty shouldn't be this complicated.

 

[oggbashan]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Many politicians start out determined to make things better for their fellow citizens. It doesn't take long for them to realise that even if they are elected, what they can change is very limited by the political system unless they rise to the top.

By the time they reach the top, the system has forced them to make so many compromises with their ideals that they no longer have the ability to force the system to change, even if they weren't hampered by the baggage they have acquired on the way.

Og

 

[TheEarl]

For quick, pithy statements on the political scene (not just the US political scene).

"I still favor the traditional system where rich people run the country and convince the morons who live here that the voters are really the ones in charge. It’s not a perfect system, but no one has come up with a better one. And it’s fair in the sense that anyone could become rich and abuse the poor."--Scott Adams , creator of Dilbert.

You stupid lemon-eater.

The Earl

 

[minsue]

People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; they don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible ~ Jamie Raskin

 

[zeb1094]

I'm just waiting for a candidate who will get up and say "I'm in this for the babes and free jet for 4 years. But I'll lower your taxes and not go to war in the process".

That candidate gets my vote.

Or anyone willing to institute a flat tax rate. Doing your civic duty shouldn't be this complicated.

Flat Tax, that where we are now. A flat tax with over 1,000,000 words to describe the way you have to pay your taxes. Over 10,000 pages of regulations to follow.

No! What you need is a comsumptions tax - that way everyone pays, Read the Fair Tax Book - or click on America in my Sig!

The write your Congressman and Senator - tell them to vote for HR25 in the House and S25 in the Senate.

 

[Guest]

there is no absolute truth to any one belief, no matter how strongly one believes in suce belief

so i believe i shall have another beer and since it may not be true, tomorrow, i will not be hung over.

that applies to so many political arenas... just ask Ted Kennedy.

 

[cantdog]

If government were a corporation the stockholders would have revolted and kicked out the the chairman and the board of directors by now. Actually, they would have done that 10 years, no 20 years, no 50 years. Crap I guess we would have been an anarchist state by now.

Stockholders don't get to have much influence on the corps, either, really. Although I agree that if people seriously valued being in charge of their lives, they would blow off governments to a large extent. It's almost a tautology. Trouble is, they are not to be bothered to run their own affairs, most of them. They want to be told what to do and think, and suck their thumbs in irresponsible bliss.

 

[cantdog]

Flat Tax, that where we are now. A flat tax with over 1,000,000 words to describe the way you have to pay your taxes. Over 10,000 pages of regulations to follow.

No! What you need is a comsumptions tax - that way everyone pays, Read the Fair Tax Book - or click on America in my Sig!

The write your Congressman and Senator - tell them to vote for HR25 in the House and S25 in the Senate.

Enclose a whopping big check when you write 'em, too, or they'll blow you off.

You use-tax crazies remind me of the folks bitching about the vote system on Lit. You really want a clear, unambiguous scoring system, because you see life as a sports event, a big arena game.

There's a physiological limit to how many blowjobs you can actually take advantage of in a given time period. This limit hits long before the number you can afford to pay for, if you're seriously rich.

Beyond the Blowjob Limit, making more money makes no material difference in the way you live, because there's only so much you can reasonably consume. Beyond that income level, the Blowjob Limit, more money serves no other purpose than to keep score in the Game.

Well, that's a puerile view of existence, actually. And the tax idea is extremely regressive and pointless, unless a pure, clean scoring system is you goal. Children have no call to be ordering society. Your tax ideas are infantile, and deserve to be ignored.

 

[zeb1094]

Enclose a whopping big check when you write 'em, too, or they'll blow you off.

You use-tax crazies remind me of the folks bitching about the vote system on Lit. You really want a clear, unambiguous scoring system, because you see life as a sports event, a big arena game.

There's a physiological limit to how many blowjobs you can actually take advantage of in a given time period. This limit hits long before the number you can afford to pay for, if you're seriously rich.

Beyond the Blowjob Limit, making more money makes no material difference in the way you live, because there's only so much you can reasonably consume. Beyond that income level, the Blowjob Limit, more money serves no other purpose than to keep score in the Game.

Well, that's a puerile view of existence, actually. And the tax idea is extremely regressive and pointless, unless a pure, clean scoring system is you goal. Children have no call to be ordering society. Your tax ideas are infantile, and deserve to be ignored.

Boy do you have me pegged wrong! I could care less about the damn voting system used on Lit.

I have more important things to worry about. Like if the drug dealer down the street is being taxed (NOT). Like all the illegal workers sending their money back accross the boarder and not paying taxes. Like all the corporations moving off shore to avoid taxes. And all the jobs being sent overseas because of the tax burden on the American worker here.

The only reason the current tax system is in place is because of K steet. If it's simplified or eliminated they loose all those plush salaries they are earning to keep the tax code as complex as possible.

So don't go talking about blowjob limits and shit you don't know about me!

 

[zeb1094]

Stockholders don't get to have much influence on the corps, either, really. Although I agree that if people seriously valued being in charge of their lives, they would blow off governments to a large extent. It's almost a tautology. Trouble is, they are not to be bothered to run their own affairs, most of them. They want to be told what to do and think, and suck their thumbs in irresponsible bliss.

Ok, now you're talkin'! I can agree with you here. Most people do what the government to take care of them, tell them what they think, what they should do, how they should vote. They are the ones that are usually on some welfare plan, on the government dole. Not all, but most. There are the exceptions and I know a few, hard time and fucked up economies. But they are out looking for that job, any job to support their families.

Damn, forgot where I was headed with this!?!?

 

[cantdog]

Not headed anywhere. This is "pithy political blurts."

But, I do know somewhat of your situation, from a previous thread last year. That's what's so amazing. Consumption taxes are of benefit only to those beyond the Blowjob Limit, and you ain't there. It does you no good in particular if such a system is enacted. I just don't understand your resentment. Do you actually like supporting the rich bastards on top?

Knowing anything about you in particular doesn't enhance anyone's ability to understand the impact of the bills you mention. They are every bit as irresponsible, whether anyone knows about you or whether they don't.

This isn't about you. It's about egocentricity. If you deny the right of taxation to a government, what makes you different from an anarchist?

 

[zeb1094]

Not headed anywhere. This is "pithy political blurts."

But, I do know somewhat of your situation, from a previous thread last year. That's what's so amazing. Consumption taxes are of benefit only to those beyond the Blowjob Limit, and you ain't there. It does you no good in particular if such a system is enacted. I just don't understand your resentment. Do you actually like supporting the rich bastards on top?

Knowing anything about you in particular doesn't enhance anyone's ability to understand the impact of the bills you mention. They are every bit as irresponsible, whether anyone knows about you or whether they don't.

This isn't about you. It's about egocentricity. If you deny the right of taxation to a government, what makes you different from an anarchist?

Don't take this to personally but you have no idea what you're talking about!

Try reading the book before you try and define what's in it! No one is talking about taking away the governments right to tax, just changing the way it's accomplished.

And guess what, the Fair Tax Bill will benefit the low income workers more than the high income workers and it's revenue neutral to the government. Although there will be a lot of IRS people unemployed they will be able to find job in the private sector when all the companies that moved off shore come back because there is no longer a corporate income tax.

Read the book or got to the web site.

 

[Huckleman2000]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Many politicians start out determined to make things better for their fellow citizens. It doesn't take long for them to realise that even if they are elected, what they can change is very limited by the political system unless they rise to the top.

By the time they reach the top, the system has forced them to make so many compromises with their ideals that they no longer have the ability to force the system to change, even if they weren't hampered by the baggage they have acquired on the way.

Og

Og, you are wise. And I agree with you.

Don't you wish we were 20 again and had it to do over?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

If government were a corporation the stockholders would have revolted and kicked out the the chairman and the board of directors by now. Actually, they would have done that 10 years, no 20 years, no 50 years. Crap I guess we would have been an anarchist state by now.

I'm curious about this. Considering that the giovernment we've decided to have for ourselves comprises commitees made up of committees made up of committees, how would you do things better?

Corporations are essentially run by Kings and Cabals. Is that what you'd like to see as our form of government? It's certainly more efficient, but is efficiency the point of government?

 

[zeb1094]

I'm curious about this. Considering that the giovernment we've decided to have for ourselves comprises commitees made up of committees made up of committees, how would you do things better?

Corporations are essentially run by Kings and Cabals. Is that what you'd like to see as our form of government? It's certainly more efficient, but is efficiency the point of government?

No I was just using that as a example. I truely believe that we, Americans, have the best possible government available today. But, it would appear that there are many who would wish otherwise. There are those in this country who would like nothing better then to turn this great country of ours into a socialist republic. Then there are those that want government to become bigger and do everything for them from cradle to grave.

Personaly, I believe in small government. The less the better. I believe the IRS should be abolished and the 16th amendment repealed. I believe in a strong military and less government regulation. Call me a Libertarian.

 

[Pure]

"there are those"

always

"there are those..."

 

[Guest]

"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...geid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1142722231554

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Scott Adams has some of the best cynical quotes ever. I love reading him.

 

[rgraham666]

One of my favourite 'political' quotes.

DEMOCRACY An existential system in which words are more important than actions. Not a judgemental system.

Democracy is not intended to be efficient, linear, logical, cheap, the source of absolute truth, manned by angels, saints or virgins, profitable, the justification for any particular economic system, a simple matter of majority rule or for that matter a simple matter of majorities. Nor is it an administrative procedure, patriotic, a reflection of tribalism, a passive servant of either law or regulation, elegant or particularly charming.

Democracy is the only system capable of reflecting the humanist premise of equilibrium or balance. The key to its secret is the involvement of the citizen.

The Doubter's Companion - John Ralston Saul