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janeyl said:
would you seriously refer to rape as an interaction?

but perhaps you have a point to an extent in that recreational sex is very different to me and the circumstances of the act create a very different emotional reaction to more intimate acts with the man I love-ie. none, other than pleasure and curiosity
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Speaking in a very removed way, yes rape is a extreme form of human behavior, thus an interaction between two individuals. Obviously its not what we consider a valid interaction or a moral one. It is amoral, cause like you say theres an element of power there. But there must be something more about it that makes it amoral than just power, because after all there are many valid interactions that we regularly accept in normal society today with one person exercising power over another.
 
WboroBaptM0134 said:
So to follow on from that, you would feel love based on the circumstances of the act?

But are you guys saying there really isn't any emotion in sex? That its just about feeling chemical interactions?
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No-that's not what i'm saying at all. With the right person, it can be the most intimate, emotional and bonding experience. And I wouldn't presume to speak for others-this is purely my opinion based on my experience. Recreational sex without any emotion involved is entirely possible and I feel that if more people believed it, we wouldn't necessarily have a lot more casual sex, but possibly a lot less people screwed up by their feelings about sex
 
MrEd63 said:
What would you know about it - I suspect that you have had a severely dysfunctional upbringing and could do with some sort of therapy to help you deal with your delusional episodes
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Ah yes, I must be a psycho, what else can you dream up about me. You should do a character profile and write a little story about me and all the bad things that happen.
 
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janeyl said:
No-that's not what i'm saying at all. With the right person, it can be the most intimate, emotional and bonding experience. And I wouldn't presume to speak for others-this is purely my opinion based on my experience. Recreational sex without any emotion involved is entirely possible and I feel that if more people believed it, we wouldn't necessarily have a lot more casual sex, but possibly a lot less people screwed up by their feelings about sex
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But did you always feel this way? Even when you were young? So in that case if sex were performed safely, and both parties agreed, what would be wrong with Brettj's assertion that brother and sisters and Mommies should all get together regularly, just for you know fun and exercise.
 
WboroBaptM0134 said:
Speaking in a very removed way, yes rape is a extreme form of human behavior, thus an interaction between two individuals. Obviously its not what we consider a valid interaction or a moral one. It is amoral, cause like you say theres an element of power there. But there must be something more about it that makes it amoral than just power, because after all there are many valid interactions that we regularly accept in normal society today with one person exercising power over another.
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I think you're downplaying the power aspect. There isn't an element of it-it is almost exclusively about it.

and yes, there are many power interactions in day to day life-we live in a hierarchical society. We all have a place in various hierarchies where others have power over us...it's the nature of social animals such as we are
 
WboroBaptM0134 said:
But did you always feel this way? Even when you were young? So in that case if sex were performed safely, and both parties agreed, what would be wrong with Brettj's assertion that brother and sisters and Mommies should all get together regularly, just for you know fun and exercise.
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I have always had a pragmatic approach to life in general and my profession exacerbates that.

Remember we are talking about me and my own experiences-apparently I am unusual in my attitude on many levels-maybe it's why i find kindred spirits here at Lit

I don't agree with Bretts assertion at all...incest again brings in aspects of power and control that make me question parties agreeing fully. I don't believe that can ever be separated out, leading me to question the consent.
 
janeyl said:
I think you're downplaying the power aspect. There isn't an element of it-it is almost exclusively about it.

and yes, there are many power interactions in day to day life-we live in a hierarchical society. We all have a place in various hierarchies where others have power over us...it's the nature of social animals such as we are
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Ok in the human animal there are all levels of emotional and physical needs mixed up together, so what I would say is that rape may take an outward or conscious form of wanting to hold extreme power over someone. But surely at the base level it must be about denying a persons right to refuse what you want to take. The power might come from refusing to recognize the other as an individual who may have a will different to your own.

Everyday people see things they want. But the don't take for they are held in place by the recognition of a social structure no? To take something is to enforce like you say, but their must be a core need at the base of it I would think.
 
WboroBaptM0134 said:
Ok in the human animal there are all levels of emotional and physical needs mixed up together, so what I would say is that rape may take an outward or conscious form of wanting to hold extreme power over someone. But surely at the base level it must be about denying a persons right to refuse what you want to take. The power might come from refusing to recognize the other as an individual who may have a will different to your own.

Everyday people see things they want. But the don't take for they are held in place by the recognition of a social structure no? To take something is to enforce like you say, but their must be a core need at the base of it I would think.
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Fuck me Preacher Man...I actually think we're agreeing on something at last...
 
janeyl said:
I have always had a pragmatic approach to life in general and my profession exacerbates that.

Remember we are talking about me and my own experiences-apparently I am unusual in my attitude on many levels-maybe it's why i find kindred spirits here at Lit

I don't agree with Bretts assertion at all...incest again brings in aspects of power and control that make me question parties agreeing fully. I don't believe that can ever be separated out, leading me to question the consent.
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But Brett's attitude is more like an ancient greek philosopher i feel. I could see Brett sitting around the table discussing the Phaedra and then retiring with the gents and their young manservants. At this time in society it was considered right and proper for young men to submit to older in this way as per the idea that sex could be purely recreational.
 
WboroBaptM0134 said:
No one will take you seriously if you can't enunciate what you feel. So go on, point away, and cry murder.
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You ask a lot of quesions , answer this for us - How long have you been an irrational bigot and were you taught to be one or is it a god-given talent ?
 
MrEd63 said:
You ask a lot of quesions , answer this for us - How long have you been an irrational bigot and were you taught to be one or is it a god-given talent ?
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Oh its God given talent, some people play the piano, some do the math....
 
Sorry to see this moron has infected yet another thread ... one that I quite enjoy. I don't ask people to agree with me nor do I need to agree with them. I give those I respect the latitude to live their own lives as they see fit.

Having said that, I wish this idiot would fuck the hell off and wish everyone would please stop quoting it's moronic posts. I have them on ignore for a reason.

BrettJ

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