Pipeline Wars

[EternalFantasies]

Oh well.

http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1491570086

 

[hashtag46]

WOW!



"In their view, our war against Bashar Assad did not begin with the peaceful civil protests of the Arab Spring in 2011. Instead it began in 2000 when Qatar proposed to construct a $10 billion, 1,500km pipeline through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey.
Bashar al-Assad didn't support the pipeline.

Qatar shares with Iran, the South Pars/North Dome gas field, the world's richest natural gas repository. [… ]
The proposed pipeline would have linked Qatar directly to European energy markets via distribution terminals in Turkey which would pocket rich transit fees. The Qatar/Turkey pipeline would have given the Sunni Kingdoms of the Persian Gulf decisive domination of world natural gas markets and strengthen Qatar, America's closest ally in the Arab world. Qatar hosts two massive American military bases and the U.S. Central Command's Mid-East headquarters.

The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline which would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic and political leverage. Turkey, Russia's second largest gas customer, was particularly anxious to end its reliance on its ancient rival and to position itself as the lucrative transect hub for Asian fuels to EU markets. The Qatari pipeline would have benefited Saudi Arabia's conservative Sunni Monarchy by giving them a foothold in Shia dominated Syria.

The Saudi's geopolitical goal is to contain the economic and political power of the Kingdom's principal rival, Iran, a Shiite state, and close ally of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S. sponsored Shia takeover in Iraq as a demotion to its regional power and was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen, highlighted by the Saudi genocide against the Iranian backed Houthi tribe.

Of course, the Russians, who sell 70 percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat. In Putin's view, the Qatar pipeline is a NATO plot to change the status quo, deprive Russia of its only foothold in the Middle East, strangle the Russian economy and end Russian leverage in the European energy market. In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria “to protect the interests of our Russian ally."

http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1491570086
Quoted much less than 20% of the article

 

[RobDownSouth]

WOW!



"In their view, our war against Bashar Assad did not begin with the peaceful civil protests of the Arab Spring in 2011. Instead it began in 2000 when Qatar proposed to construct a $10 billion, 1,500km pipeline through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey.
Bashar al-Assad didn't support the pipeline.

Qatar shares with Iran, the South Pars/North Dome gas field, the world's richest natural gas repository. [… ]
The proposed pipeline would have linked Qatar directly to European energy markets via distribution terminals in Turkey which would pocket rich transit fees. The Qatar/Turkey pipeline would have given the Sunni Kingdoms of the Persian Gulf decisive domination of world natural gas markets and strengthen Qatar, America's closest ally in the Arab world. Qatar hosts two massive American military bases and the U.S. Central Command's Mid-East headquarters.

The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline which would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic and political leverage. Turkey, Russia's second largest gas customer, was particularly anxious to end its reliance on its ancient rival and to position itself as the lucrative transect hub for Asian fuels to EU markets. The Qatari pipeline would have benefited Saudi Arabia's conservative Sunni Monarchy by giving them a foothold in Shia dominated Syria.

The Saudi's geopolitical goal is to contain the economic and political power of the Kingdom's principal rival, Iran, a Shiite state, and close ally of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S. sponsored Shia takeover in Iraq as a demotion to its regional power and was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen, highlighted by the Saudi genocide against the Iranian backed Houthi tribe.

Of course, the Russians, who sell 70 percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat. In Putin's view, the Qatar pipeline is a NATO plot to change the status quo, deprive Russia of its only foothold in the Middle East, strangle the Russian economy and end Russian leverage in the European energy market. In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria “to protect the interests of our Russian ally."

http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1491570086
Quoted much less than 20% of the article

This is turning into a real geo-political mess. You have the usual Shi'ia/Sunni conflict (with Russia and Iran on the Sunni side and the US, Saudi Arabia and Iraq on the Shi'ite side...might have them reversed), but not only is this a religious shitstorm but an economic windfall shitstorm as well.

Given the current President's "Ready, Fire, Aim" impulsiveness, this does not bode well for the world.

 

[Christobal]

This is the first paragraph

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

I didn't bother reading past that. It strikes me the article is simple opinion and not news.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This is the first paragraph

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

I didn't bother reading past that. It strikes me the article is simple opinion and not news.

Too bad your attention span kept you from reading further...you'd have seen the "money quote" in the article....

ISIS political leaders and strategic planners are working to provoke an American military intervention which, they know from experience, will flood their ranks with volunteer fighters, drown the voices of moderation and unify the Islamic world against America.

Cheetoh Benito Von Tweet-oh seems like he is being played like a fiddle.

 

[EternalFantasies]

This is the first paragraph

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

I didn't bother reading past that. It strikes me the article is simple opinion and not news.

Case and point: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=84879226&postcount=13

 

[EternalFantasies]

Cheetoh Benito Von Tweet-oh seems like he is being played like a fiddle.

Refer to my 'TroIan Hoarse' thread.

 

[Christobal]

Too bad your attention span kept you from reading further.

It warn't my attention span. The article start with such a one sided opinion I had no reason to read any more.

"to claw obscene subsidies" is in the first sentence. This type of language does not seem like objective journalism.

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It warn't my attention span. The article start with such a one sided opinion I had no reason to read any more.

"to claw obscene subsidies" is in the first sentence. This type of language does not seem like objective journalism.

The fossil fuel industry's business model is to externalize its costs by clawing in obscene subsidies and tax deductions—causing grave environmental costs, including toxic pollution and global warming. Among the other unassessed prices of the world's addiction to oil are social chaos, war, terror, the refugee crisis overseas, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.

Alright, I'm willing to agree that the opening statement was biased.

Now then, what did you think of the quote I found, the one about ISIS using US involvement as a recruiting tool?

 

[hashtag46]

This is turning into a real geo-political mess. You have the usual Shi'ia/Sunni conflict (with Russia and Iran on the Sunni side and the US, Saudi Arabia and Iraq on the Shi'ite side...might have them reversed), but not only is this a religious shitstorm but an economic windfall shitstorm as well.

Given the current President's "Ready, Fire, Aim" impulsiveness, this does not bode well for the world.

With all respect to Obama, (whom I generally dislike because I view him as being pro -corporatist and a warmonger):

I just read the other day that he was initially reluctant to escalate the syrian conflict, but that he was pushed into it by the Republican party.

 

[Christobal]

Alright, I'm willing to agree that the opening statement was biased.

Now then, what did you think of the quote I found, the one about ISIS using US involvement as a recruiting tool?

I think you are right. The US should stop meddling in the middle east. Yes people will die but these wars have been going on for centuries. Long before the US even existed.
Anything we tried has failed.

 

[EternalFantasies]

So many threads, one subject.

Assad bombs civilians, Gasses them in another, egypt copt chruches blown up, sweden truck, norway, etc.

Look. If you're Against assad, or pro Assad, I don't care. But what irks me is when people debate without knowing what they are talking about.

Anyone ever bothered to check what do the Syrian people want for instance? And investigate that?

Did you know that since 2011 only a couple of protests against Assad took place, and are mainly Friday afternoon after long bearded fanatics get out of the mosques? Look them up on youtube.

Did you know Pro Assad rallies are by people who look familiar? Young people, women in yoga pants, skirts, and all sorts of religious people, and families with cheeks decorated, and all holding Assad's picture?

And if you check that out, and see it in 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016. Would it make you wonder?

Did you know that many Christian villages in Syria, and landmarks, have been protected by the Syrian Army and Lebanon's Hizbolla who entered the war to protect Syrian Christians at the request of Lebanese Christians?

Here:

https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/unnamed.jpg

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/00-hezbollah-05-11-06-15.jpg

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/00-hezbollah-01-11-06-15.jpg

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/00-hezbollah-02-11-06-15.jpg

A simple google search shows all this. i found it quite interesting years ago when it happened, i read more about what's going on, now, I know more.

Would informing oneself help educate the world and less ignorance means more freedom?

Well.. I suppose it .. irks me

Here's some on Syrians and their Assad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwbusECwGw

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-12892870

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7zFUaDOPCE


Someone explain all this to me.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Syrian civil war sprung out of Arab Spring demonstrations of Syrian people for freedom from Assad dictatorship.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Syrian civil war sprung out of Arab Spring demonstrations of Syrian people for freedom from Assad dictatorship.

Says who?

why would there be overwhelming support for Assad then in pro Government rallies, and only islamists protesting Assad?

I'm supposed to believe you and your Toronto Tribune or CNN?

Explain the media I posted.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Says who?

why would there be overwhelming support for Assad then in pro Government rallies, and only islamists protesting Assad?

I'm supposed to believe you and your Toronto Tribune or CNN?

Explain the media I posted.

It's a tad more complicated than that. I posted this yesterday (forgive me, I rarely quote myself)

If you have Facebook, THIS is an excellent five minute video that explains the last 6 years of conflict in Syria.

So simple maybe even AJ could understand it.

Basically, there are four separate factions in Syria at war with each other:

1. Assad's government forces
2. The anti-Assad revolutionaries
3. The ISIS/ISIL religious zealots (who broke off from the anti-Assad group)
4. The Kurdish separatists.

In a clear sign that the Trump administration doesn't know what the hell they are doing, this morning US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley said "Regime Change" was priority number 1, getting Assad out of power. Literally at the same time, on another channel, Secretary of State "Exxon Rex" Tilllotson said wiping out ISIS was priority number 1, because oil.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Look. This is not how it started, but I won't argue it. The rest of the video has a lot of truth, yes, but not perfectly correct.

i'll just ask the simple question I have asked: how is it that hundreds of thousands of 'normal' people, young people, minorities, Christians, etc. flock to every rallye pro assad since 2011 (the year it all began)?

And the couple of against Assad protests are only men coming out of mosques.

How do people explain these videos I posted, and the pictures of Hizbolla fighter - Assad allies - protecting Christian landmarks? (some of the oldest in the world are in Syria).

 

[EternalFantasies]

and this is for those - like the oreoKing who said the "rebels" don't have capabilities like that.... this is a video with April 6 2017 headlines. Skip 1 min or two and its only Syria related stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1EX_ocU37M

 

[EternalFantasies]

Cut this mustard 4rest. Tell how this makes any sense vis a vis the news channels we see here. And they went out of their way to cut RT's access on cables.

Can you explain this overwhelming Assad support? Can you explain this Hizbolla protection of Christians against ISIL?

 

[EternalFantasies]

I'll tell you what I think (what's new EF)

Americans want a continued low price at the pump.

Americans don't like Islam.

Those are the reasons.

Now, for my first claim? Check all commodities prices since the 30's. Upward sloping. Check oil prices. Flat, with peaks when middle eastern nations get a mind of their own.

As for my second claim, I agree with Americans. But they miss on something 'Orwellian', that they must be fighting off, and Islam today is among the few fighting it.


Ponder that.

Right

 

[hashtag46]

Cut this mustard 4rest. Tell how this makes any sense vis a vis the news channels we see here. And they went out of their way to cut RT's access on cables.

Can you explain this overwhelming Assad support? Can you explain this Hizbolla protection of Christians against ISIL?

Bumped it up for 4est.

Such a good thread and too few posts.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Says who?

why would there be overwhelming support for Assad then in pro Government rallies, and only islamists protesting Assad?

I'm supposed to believe you and your Toronto Tribune or CNN?

Explain the media I posted.

The unrest in Syria, part of a wider wave of 2011 Arab Spring protests, grew out of discontent with the Assad's government and escalated to an armed conflict after protests calling for his removal were violently suppressed.[94][95][96

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

The Damascus Spring, a period of social and political debate, took place between July 2000 and August 2001.[114] The Damascus Spring largely ended in August 2001 with the arrest and imprisonment of ten leading activists who had called for democratic elections and a campaign of civil disobedience.[115]

The protests began on 15 March 2011, when protesters marched in the capital of Damascus, demanding democratic reforms and the release of political prisoners. Security forces retaliated by opening fire on the protesters,[139] and according to witnesses who spoke to the BBC, the government forces detained six.[140] The protest was triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the government for writing in graffiti, "The people want the fall of the government", in the city of Daraa.[139][141] The 13-year old boy, Hamza al-Khateeb, was tortured and killed[142].

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26116868
"Syria crackdown has killed 5,000 people, UN says".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/?utm_t

Before the uprising in Syria began in mid-March 2011, protests were relatively modest, considering the wave of unrest that was spreading across the Arab world. Syria, until March 2011, for decades had remained superficially tranquil, largely due to fear among the people of the secret police arresting critical citizens.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War



*Assad, family and friends have probably been kept in power due to oil. Dictatorship may skim money but far less than a democratic system would demand for such things as alleviation of poverty*

 

[EternalFantasies]

You are brainwashed by leftist media - and .. ahem.. Wikipedia

its so much so, that you are capable to believe the wiki BS, and unable to explain the eyewitness footage that your eyes and brains can see. however small those may be.

And funny story.. once.. I was reading on wiki: 'Syrian civil war' page.

I read thru, and at some point, I reached a paragraph, and i was like: this is utter BS, its not what happened. Who wrote this, i asked myself. There was a source. I went down to see who's the source, it was CNN

Wiki editors use CNN for a source of historical pages!!

Please. Go back to bed Rom.

 

[Hard_Rom]

And you are brainwashed by right wing bloggers. So there! You got a problem with open source encyclopedia's that quote sources and do things like fact check that's your burden to carry. Facts and truth don't usually have an impact on close minded folk like you. I guess the bible is the only book you trust for truth.

 

[EternalFantasies]

And you are brainwashed by right wing bloggers. So there! You got a problem with open source encyclopedia's that quote sources and do things like fact check that's your burden to carry. Facts and truth don't usually have an impact on close minded folk like you. I guess the bible is the only book you trust for truth.

Yes ok, u r right. i am brainwashed.

Now explain the videos i posted above proving Assad has overwhelming support by his people especially minorities and Christians.

 

[EternalFantasies]

So here's how we are all being duped into a war.

The GWB days, it was right wingers into the war, lefties against.

Obama days, same things, except, Obama did provoke wars passively laying the groundwork further.

The Trump election was for many a new direction, a protectionist era, a la Brexit, a let us fix our internal problems now. So many people who never voted before added to the right wing vote and got trump in office to do so.

Trump who sold the idea of: don't worry about some war with Russia, I can talk to Putin, make a deal, I like the guy. i'm getting a Sec of State who Putin awarded as Exxon chief, we'll be all buddies. Don't worry, no war.

Then, Russia helped him win!

Now? Lefties see blood and want attacks on Assad. A strong long time ally of Russia.

Trump after "chemical attack" said: well, now i changed my mind, this is unacceptable.

Today, seeking Congress to approve strikes in Syria. In other words, to declare war on Syria.


Well, was this the Trump people voted for?

And before anyone says but you and others supported him, you need to know, Hillary was going in that same direction as well.


You thought you left the establishment?

I feel like Robin Williams now waving and screaming:

https://www.youtube.com/v/Tc78yPv_ztM?start=64&end=68
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