Personal Opinion?

[patientlee]

I don't read incest. I don't write incest. I don't care if anyone else does. In the real world, consenting adults can do what they want. It's not my business.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Cite where I have condoned murder in discussions here--since you now have explicitly included me in that assertion.

You are so full of shit and the need for attention. Not enough folks looking in your collection of "look at me" daily threads?

Are you shitting me! You invented attention whore.

 

[sr71plt]

Are you shitting me! You invented attention whore.

You certainly have been double pumping to outdo me on that, even if it's true--all of those personal "look at my new hangnail" threads--and bleeding on threads discussing topics you don't have a clue about.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't read incest. I don't write incest. I don't care if anyone else does. In the real world, consenting adults can do what they want. It's not my business.

I agree. But in stories floating around here and yon the words "consenting" and "adults" get quite a workout and stretch.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You certainly have been double pumping to outdo me on that, even if it's true--all of those personal "look at my new hangnail" threads--and bleeding on threads discussing topics you don't have a clue about.

If yuh got it, flaunt it.

Besides youre too timid to post even a hangnail.

 

[lovecraft68]

The OP asked for personal opinions. Seems the last two posters want to tell us what our personal opinion is.

My PERSONAL OPINION is that anyone that tries to judge a persons intelligence by their kink proves they themselves are pretty far down that ladder.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[TxRad]

LIT does favor pretend over reality. Next week or next month or next year another venue will come along and kick LITs ass with a no rules policy. Then Miss LAUREL will hafta re-think her rules or retire.

You don't have a clue about Laurel, do you?

No rules have been tried by a dozen different sites. Only one or two are left and combined they aren't anywhere near the size of Lit. It seems they draw a crowd for a while and then the really bad shit hits the site and most people leave rather than being associated with it.

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree. But in stories floating around here and yon the words "consenting" and "adults" get quite a workout and stretch.

As they do in your stories as well.

My opinion is that people who write "period" pieces are doing so because back in the day age of consent was much lower than now and it is a cheap excuse to write about under age in the guise of realism.

Isn't it bunky?

 

[lovecraft68]

LIT does favor pretend over reality. Next week or next month or next year another venue will come along and kick LITs ass with a no rules policy. Then Miss LAUREL will hafta re-think her rules or retire.

Well of course lit favors pretend over reality. It's an erotic fiction site.

As for a no rules policy? Asstr has that and I wouldn't want my name mentioned in the same breath as that cesspool.

At least, despite some of the material erotica brings to the table, there is a semblance of respectability here.

I have no issue saying I write here and there are a couple of other sites with tighter policies, but I would be ashamed to say I was on asstr or a site like it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You don't have a clue about Laurel, do you?

No rules have been tried by a dozen different sites. Only one or two are left and combined they aren't anywhere near the size of Lit. It seems they draw a crowd for a while and then the really bad shit hits the site and most people leave rather than being associated with it.

So did Playboy.

I don't know Laurel from Adam but I know human nature, and the shit is coming to a theatre near you. No one builds Model Ts anymore. No one sells CBs anymore.

 

[LaRascasse]

As far as Lit goes, incest is the category of choice if you want the largest number of votes/views. Some estimates go so far as to say over three-fourth of Lit's traffic comes from that section alone. You don't necessarily have to believe in the idea of Incest to write it though.

A story about Nancy and Jack fucking the living bejeezus out of each other over 4 Lit pages. Toss in some love and a happily ever after.

Probably a 4.6-4.7 score in the Romance category.

Same story, with a minor tweak to make Nancy and Jack siblings. Seriously, don't change anything else. There is no need for additional build-up or reasoning as to why two siblings would want to have sex.

Score wouldn't change much in Incest category, but views, votes and comments would likely triple.

I remember a story I wrote last year where I could have my protagonists be step-siblings or just best friends and the story would pan out exactly the same way. The only reason I went down the step-sibling route was because I could put it in the Incest category (yes, step-siblings count) and get the higher view count.

The point is, many writers put their stuff in the Incest category for the increased readership and not because they necessarily espouse family fucking.

As for real life incest, it's iffy. Several high profile cases like Patrick Stubing in Germany and David Epstein in New York have shown consensual incest in poor light. Even when it is seemingly "consensual", some question as to whether this is a misplaced sense of trust in an authority figure forcibly interpreted as love. How objective can one truly be when evaluating their feelings towards a family member?

Then again, there are the Josef Fritzl's of the world to remind you how sick a human mind can be towards one's own family members.

On an interesting end note, some cite statistics showing that woman who give birth in their late forties are more likely to cause birth defects in their children than incest couples. Now we don't exactly have a law prohibiting that, do we?

 

[Boxlicker101]

As they do in your stories as well.

My opinion is that people who write "period" pieces are doing so because back in the day age of consent was much lower than now and it is a cheap excuse to write about under age in the guise of realism.

Isn't it bunky?

If you write a story and post it on Lit, the sexually involved characters have to be at least 18 years old, regardless what the age of consent is or was at the time. Even now, in some states it is 16, but a story involving somebody that young would not be accepted, even if the characters were married.

I described the deflowering of a 16 year old bride once, probably the least erotic sex scene I have ever written, and it was rejected.

 

[GorgeousGeekGirl]

I am so disgusted by incest that I don't read stories with the tag, and I check a stories tags before I read. When getting sent a pm, before I reply, I check the profile, including threads that person has been in. I see incest, I block them.

 

[horrorotica]

I don't read incest. I don't write incest. I don't care if anyone else does. In the real world, consenting adults can do what they want. It's not my business.

I agree with the first part of your comment. It's not my bag really and when I think of incest I think would I have sex with my own family members? This is promptly followed by a loud 'HELL NO!'. I think if people have this as a fantasy then I'm not fussed about that. I have occasional fantasies about things I'd never do in real life.

In the real world though it isn't legal for consenting adults to do what they want. In many places homosexually is still illegal and people are thrown in jail for it. Incest is pretty much universally illegal as it is also considered a form of sexual abuse. It's not legal for consenting adults to have sex in a public place. I could probably go on but I'm sure you get my point.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well of course lit favors pretend over reality. It's an erotic fiction site.

As for a no rules policy? Asstr has that and I wouldn't want my name mentioned in the same breath as that cesspool.

At least, despite some of the material erotica brings to the table, there is a semblance of respectability here.

I have no issue saying I write here and there are a couple of other sites with tighter policies, but I would be ashamed to say I was on asstr or a site like it.

Do yuh understand that conventional wisdom ebbs and floods over time? That what alarms us in 2013 was bizness as usual 60 years ago? And here's the thing: Bizness remains good inspite of official sanctions and endorsements. Our attitudes change nothing. It is! And if youre gonna be a scribe yuh gotta get over the ICK.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Incest is pretty much universally illegal as it is also considered a form of sexual abuse.

Surprisingly, no. According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest incest is legal between consenting adults in Argentina, Brazil, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Turkey, Rhode Island, China, India, Israel, and Côte d'Ivoire. That's close to half the world's population.

In Australia, state laws generally forbid ancestor-descendant but not sibling-sibling (except NSW) and this piece of federal legislation might invalidate even those laws, as far as consenting adults in private are concerned, depending on how one interprets "arbitrary".

 

[patientlee]

I agree with the first part of your comment. It's not my bag really and when I think of incest I think would I have sex with my own family members? This is promptly followed by a loud 'HELL NO!'. I think if people have this as a fantasy then I'm not fussed about that. I have occasional fantasies about things I'd never do in real life.

In the real world though it isn't legal for consenting adults to do what they want. In many places homosexually is still illegal and people are thrown in jail for it. Incest is pretty much universally illegal as it is also considered a form of sexual abuse. It's not legal for consenting adults to have sex in a public place. I could probably go on but I'm sure you get my point.

I am going to respectfully disagree on a couple of points. First of all, I'd need to see some research to support the statement that incest is universally illegal. To be honest, I'm not interested in reading it though, so I'll move on.

Secondly, in my own opinion (which is worth less than two cents), what happens in the privacy of your own home between consenting adults is nobody's business. Public sex doesn't fall under that umbrella. (I understand that you just used that as an example.)

The bottom line for me is that when it comes to matters of sex, if it's between consenting adults in private, and having no effect on others, I don't think there should be laws governing those acts. (Not looking to start a debate on gay marriage or anything, just giving my opinion.)

Respectfully,
Patientlee

 

[robertreams]

Well, i can see it as okay in fantasy, maybe, though I have trouble even thinking about sex with any of my (grown) children, or either of my parents. Sex with sibling, especially one of my brothers is a fantasy I have had and even a dream once. In fact my older brother taught me to masturbate. that was fun, but real sex, In reality, never! Cousins, Hell yeah, Ihave some female cousins that are gorgeous.

 

[robertreams]

methinks thou dost protest too much! JJ

 

[robertreams]

I agree with the first part of your comment. It's not my bag really and when I think of incest I think would I have sex with my own family members? This is promptly followed by a loud 'HELL NO!'. I think if people have this as a fantasy then I'm not fussed about that. I have occasional fantasies about things I'd never do in real life.

In the real world though it isn't legal for consenting adults to do what they want. In many places homosexually is still illegal and people are thrown in jail for it. Incest is pretty much universally illegal as it is also considered a form of sexual abuse. It's not legal for consenting adults to have sex in a public place. I could probably go on but I'm sure you get my point.

Now you are talking! Finally someone who can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Merely because someone writes a story or stories about a certain topic, does not mean hat person endorses any behavior in any FICTION. I donr condone, wouldn't read, blah blah, blah. I wonder how many persons Agatha Christie murdered. What an idiotic idea. I write about it means I believe in it. Beliee it or not, fantasy often serves a person INSTEAD of behavior. That's why we write porn. Wait, I write it because I loveit. Love that fantasy!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

methinks thou dost protest too much! JJ

Protest what, hon?

 

[autoplot]

I like writing about it. It makes a good taboo. I wouldn't be into it in real life.

 

[horrorotica]

Now you are talking! Finally someone who can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Merely because someone writes a story or stories about a certain topic, does not mean hat person endorses any behavior in any FICTION. I donr condone, wouldn't read, blah blah, blah. I wonder how many persons Agatha Christie murdered. What an idiotic idea. I write about it means I believe in it. Beliee it or not, fantasy often serves a person INSTEAD of behavior. That's why we write porn. Wait, I write it because I loveit. Love that fantasy!

That is precisely my point. I think there is a big difference between a fantasy (ie it only happens in your imagination) compared to doing something in real life. I have written taboo stories which I have published on my own website, but I have never done those things or would do them. It's just an exploration of thoughts and feelings about those situations. The last time I looked that's what being a writer is about.

As for me saying that incest is universally illegal I do apologise I was making a sweeping generalisation without much research. I guess there are times when consensual sex between relatives is OK, but I think I was looking at it from the pederast angle (daddy/Uncle doing under-age relative etc). That to me would not be legal anywhere. But say two siblings marrying I have heard of that happening.

Most of the incest stories I've read on the net seem to have that pederast angle, rather than 18+ relatives having a romantic affair. That's why I'm not particularly a huge fan of the genre.

 

[StrangeLife]

Most of the incest stories I've read on the net seem to have that pederast angle, rather than 18+ relatives having a romantic affair. That's why I'm not particularly a huge fan of the genre.

You're mixing two different issues.

Under-age sex is wrong regardless of whether it's in the family or not. The bad uncle is just as despicable if he molests a strange kid as if he's molesting his own nephew. The incest-part is a minor issue compared to the child-molestation part.

 

[horrorotica]

You're mixing two different issues.

Under-age sex is wrong regardless of whether it's in the family or not. The bad uncle is just as despicable if he molests a strange kid as if he's molesting his own nephew. The incest-part is a minor issue compared to the child-molestation part.

I don't think I am mixing the issues at all. But I have a feeling this is one of those times you wont agree with me whatever I say. Incest as a sub-genre of erotic fiction is just not my cup of tea personally. You can rationalise it all you want, you wont change my mind about what I think of it. Neither do I suspect I will change yours. So I'll just leave it that.